1st Overall to the Pens, Horrible System and an Idea for 2006 Draft

All submitted articles are on delay due to the Entry Draft lottery talks.

We will update this article as the story unfolds today afternoon.

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So the winner is announced, this article is updated and a new level of discussion to be talked about.Alright then, my guess turned out to be correct, as Pittsburgh received the 2nd highest votes from HTR members on here.

What are my thoughts?

First thing I would say is that Crosby ended up in a good city that needed some sort of “Lemieux-potential” (as far as impact) to enlighten things up. I am not at all upset that Pittsburgh ended up with the 1st overall pick, in fact I wish the best of luck as they will have Crosby and Malkin to lead their future top two lines.

The main problem with the Penguins is that they are quite weak on the wings without a real talented young winger. Sure, Recchi is a nice fit, but get Kovalev back in there if they want Crosby to produce. Tro to get Palffy, somebody. The Penguins cannot have Crosby if they will be unable to build a strong team around him.

Major weakness? Absolutely. The Penguins already have financial weaknesses and what could be worse than to have two great centre prospects, but they cannot really afford the right linemates. It’s a big risk.

So, this pretty much cancels out the idea of Crosby as a marketing tool. Yes, the Penguins can be a well known team, but it will not be for years until Crosby and the Pens will get recognized. Crosby may be a great player, he may put up excellent numbers at a young age in the NHL, but if the Penguins will go nowhere for the next few years or so, then this system completely blew it for the NHL’s best chance to market their top-of-the-line young talent to the sports world.

Nothing will happen with Crosby, the NHL, and Pittsburgh until the team reaches the playoffs. And, with an insecurity of financials, even with new investors, and with a weak team…. there is no chance that the Penguins will get close to the playoffs.

Will the salary cap help? Yes, but keep in mind that the teams will still spend money to compete, and if you’re the team that does not have the money to attract enough players, then you’re not going anywhere.

Obviously this means that Mario Lemieux will officially come out on the ice and play one more season. While I believe that having Crosby, Malkin, and Fleury as top prospect will motivate players to join the Penguins, even for a lesser price, the potential of Crosby helping out the NHL marketing is in jeopardy with the Penguins.

I am not upset at all that the Penguins got the 1st overall pick. They got it with luck, fair and square.

But, it is the system that still marks this Entry Draft as the worst in NHL history.

First of all, the Panthers getting 29th overall is beyond pathetic. I would applaud Keenan if he would step up and criticize the system chosen. How does this help the Panthers? It does not. It put the Panthers a few steps back for their road to success.

Is that certain? No, because the 29th pick (whoever that may be) could become a great player. But, it’s downright pathetic. I do not see how any true good hockey fan could look at this draft and not say it is downright pathetic.

Put aside being happy that your team got an undeserved pick in the top ten, (cough cough Canucks Senators Canadiens cough cough). Look at where the teams stand for their picks.

You have the Senators picking 9th overall, and the Panthers picking 29th overall.

How does THAT help the competition in the NHL? It does not.

The Sabres were supposed to get at least a top 6 pick, and they end up 13th. Ridiculous? Yes.

The Rangers were the leading candidates for at least a top 5 pick, yet they end up 16th. Ridiculous? No, far worse than Ridiculous.

A horrible system, it put teams that had success over the years in the high draft pick slots, and teams that needed talent, in the lower slots.

The only team that got their fair share were the Tampa Bay Lightning. Rightfully so, they ended up 30th.

There is nothing to be happy about this draft, and I would gladly applaud it if it turns out to be one of those cursed Entry Drafts, because it served no use.

It was an unreasonable system, sloppy, and it had zero justification. I cannot even BLAME the NHL and Gary Bettman for this. He had to choose a way to make it fair for people who had the reasonable approach that I agreed with, which was to only give the chance to the top 14 teams that performed poorly in the past few seasons, and for the people who wanted to cheat their way in for Crosby and requested that it would all be equal, which is far beyong logical to me.

This Entry Draft, in my opinion, broke all the rules, the tradition, and the meaning of an Entry Draft.

Which brings me to call for a new plan for next year’s draft.

Right now, it is pretty much a crapshoot guess that the Penguins, as I am predicting, will finish in the bottom of the league once again. Remember, no such thing as OT points now.

So, it would only be fair for other teams that got ripped off in this Entry Draft, especially the Panthers and Sabres, that the Penguins will NOT receive a top five overall pick, maybe even top ten, in the 2006 Entry Draft.

You cannot have a team draft in the top 5, or 10, for 3 consecutive years. And, this goes for all teams. I believe this should be a new rule.

It’s quite ridiculous that the Penguins drafted Ryan Whitney (5th 2002), Marc-Andre Fleury (1st 2003), Evegeny Malkin (2nd 2004), and Sidney Crosby (1st 2005)…

…… and with the possibility of a top five overall pick in 2006 if the Penguins remain at the bottom of the league.

That would be FIVE straight years of picking in the top of the drafts. Way too many.

The new rule should state that no NHL team having picked in the top five overall picks for three straight years, can receive, regardless of position in standings, a top five (or ten) overall pick in next year’s entry draft. Also, the team cannot receive a top five/ten overall pick after that year until it makes the playoffs.

I find that rule to be fair and reasonable. If this system got accepted, then this rule should get accepted. It will prevent teams from “tanking” seasons “not purposely”.

The Penguins are actually under pressure right now. With the draft picking they had in the past five years, they better be making the playoffs in the 2006/07 season.

Now, this is another idea, although a bit crazy, I had for the teams that got basically “fairly” cheated in this year’s Entry Draft.

Teams that had three to four lottery balls that did not enter in the top ten overall slots, will be compensated for the 2006 Entry Draft, in the first round, only if missing the playoffs.

In other words, the Florida Panthers, even if they finish 9th in the East, they get a compensation pick in the 1st round, in the top 10 as they should have gotten in the 2005 draft.

It may be a crazy thought, but fair nonetheless. It’s an idea that needs to be evolved, and maybe fixed around, but the main purpose to to get the teams that got cheated in this Entry Draft to get a chance at the top 10 overall in next year’s draft, IF they miss the playoffs.

Ridiculous idea? If it is ridiculous for you, it’s the same for me as to how ridiculous this Entry Draft was.

Still, no time to waste on this Entry Draft as I look forward to seeing many good prospects to be drafted.

For Rangers fans who are very angry, cool down and hope for the best. It’s a 16th overall pick, and three 2nd rounders. It’s a new beginning for the Rangers, somewhat of a fresh start. Prospects are coming in to play, maybe Hugh Jessiman may make it. And, there are many options for the Rangers to take in the off-season.

For Sabres fans, well I think 13th overall is not bad, but definitely not it. A lot of things to be excited about in Buffalo, though, and that’s either Martin Biron, Norronen, or Ryan Miller getting traded.

Panthers fans, I am deeply sorry. It was unfair and unjust that the team received a ridiculous 29th overall pick. Still, there are new opportunities as ownership is willing to spend money now, and Keenan is in the hunt for some interesting free agents. And, a definite inquiry on Joe Thornton.

And for the rest of all you hockey fans, this is a real new beginning. A lot of things to look forward to and get excited about. Lots of happening for the next two months, and so….. Enjoy!

Thanks for reading,

Micki Peroni


245 Responses to 1st Overall to the Pens, Horrible System and an Idea for 2006 Draft

  1. masarume says:

    “We’ll be waiting to pick off your players when they figure out N.Y. is gonna be the place to be for endorsments and not these second rate cities.”

    LOL! Now that you don’t have money to throw at players and put their careers in a drought, you might have a chance to KEEP your prospects.

    You guys had a bunch of good ones. I really liked Blackburn before he got weird with his duel blocker/catching glove thing. Lundmark, I have a feeling is going to be huge as well.

    But seriously, stop being bitter. It was a crappy organization of a draft, but you cant’ blame the Rangers’ failures on the NHL.

  2. masarume says:

    You can’t strike whenever you want.

    The cap was the only way to save those small market teams. I would personally eliminate a couple of them but that isn’t the point.

    I know you want to go back to the ways of spending big bucks and as a Leafs fan, I sorta do as well. I know that seems selfish and it is. I don’t see us as a developing players team cuz for the last 15 years, we haven’t. But for the better status of the league, we need to make sacrifices.

    The leafs are ONLY successful because they can spend. They aren’t like the Wings and Flyers that can spend and develop stars at the same time. It ruins the league and in someways, this new CBA is bittersweet.

  3. masarume says:

    I can say for certain that this was NOT the BEST way to do a lottery draft. There has to be some kind of protection. When you are dealing with odds and chances, you need more than just 3 balls. Do it by the 100’s like the NBA does.

    Mathematically, you can argue that it’s the same because it’s all chances, but think about it realistically.

    Being a Leafs fan, I was hoping for a top 5, but the chances of that are the same as us winning the cup next year. Then I was hoping for a last 5 pick because of the snake/serpertine style of this draft and didn’t get it either. Still I would say that 20-25 seems about right for the Leafs.

    The sens at 9 is ridiculous. THe oils at 25 and panthers at 29 is also tough luck. The oilers could be a top 5 team in the league if they could’ve keep their players from 5 years ago. Rangers getting 16 seems pretty bad as well, but with all the complaining by the ranger fans, I don’t think I have to do anymore.

    There should’ve been a protection. As in the teams w/ three balls couldn’t have gotten lower than a top 10-15 pick. As for this being based on last season alone, I found that pretty bad as well.

    I also don’t believe in the “no team can get a top 5 pick three years in a roll” rule. If a team sucks, why shouldn’t they be allowed to get better. If they can’t get better, than the players they are picking aren’t working out, so the picks aren’t exactly prized possessions anyways. I know you can blame the teams developmental staff, but you don’t need a top 5 pick to make stars in the NHL.

  4. rc21pa says:

    Well let’s see. The rangers traded us Kovalev and we made him a star. I guess it’s fitting you think Fata is our best.

    After all we have Recchi, Mario, Ryan Malone, Fleury, and more to come.

    The rangers will still over pay for nothing. If I was you I would stop crying for talent and start demanding coaching.

  5. rc21pa says:

    Yes, and that is the reason why I respect you and your fans. Also the ranger fans are give me crap because they know therir team can’t hold a candle to either one of you teams.

    Flyers/ Pens games will always be the games to watch for years to come now.

  6. rc21pa says:

    And your team isn’t worth the franchise tag it has on it. Only the Rangers can overpay for talent and don’t know how to use it.

  7. rc21pa says:

    I can’t see Jagr playing for 4 million. If your talking about reforming his contract to 4 million I think the Rangers are dreaming.

  8. big_booty says:

    Jebus, help these poor souls.

    First of all, let me remind you that there was NO SEASON and therefore NO BASIS for draft order whatsoever. How quickly people seem to have forgotten that little tidbit of quasi-important information.

    To play devil’s advocate and assume that the worst teams from two years ago would have been just as bad last year is absolute folly. There is no way to predict that. I thought it was laughable how TSN did a “2004-05 Sim Season,” during which they predicted that Dany Heatley was traded to the Toronto Maple Leafs.

    We will never know what might have happened if there had been a “last season.” Anyone who thinks they would know is kidding themselves. Anyone who makes broad generalizations on what might have been, instead of leaving things to chance, is a dreamer.

    Speaking of chance…

    The mikster and his legion of Rangers fans, along with others who think that this draft reeks of bovine excrement, sound ominously like those less-than-intelligent souls who get royally pissed off when they buy a bunch of Powerball tickets and don’t walk away with millions of dollars.

    This was a LOTTERY.

    According to Merriam-Webster, it means:

    “1) a drawing of lots in which prizes are distributed to the winners among persons buying a chance;

    2) a drawing of lots used to decide something;

    3) an event or affair whose outcome is or seems to be determined by chance.”

    Only the truly inane blame chance for their misfortunes. The Rangers didn’t get the first pick – it just didn’t turn out that way. The Panthers ended up with the 29th pick – it just turned out that way.

    To say that the events of the draft lottery are “unfair” is just plain stupid. If you don’t think that this whole process was fair, do yourself a huge favor and get the hell over it.

    If I were a Rangers fan, I’d be a hell of a lot more worried about paying Holik and Kasparaitis, or the possibility of Slats drafting another goalie, rather than wallow in the pseudo-misery that seems to have been created by the absence of a PING PONG BALL.

    In closing, let me quote the Zen philosopher Bill Murray – a classic line from the movie “Stripes:”

    “Fair? Life isn’t fair. Truth isn’t fair. Is it fair that you were born this way?”

  9. Flyers_01 says:

    I also don’t believe in the “no team can get a top 5 pick three years in a roll” rule. If a team sucks, why shouldn’t they be allowed to get better. If they can’t get better, than the players they are picking aren’t working out, so the picks aren’t exactly prized possessions anyways.

    Unless the team is drafting Daigle this reasoning is flawed. You could draft lemieux, gretzky and Roy 3 years in a row and it doesn’t mean you have a good team. The Pens do have excellent prospects and it’s because year in and year out they tank the season deliberately. For the most part the penguins play AHL players and not ready for NHL kids for this very reason, so that they’d be able to draft a slew of potential stars on the cheap. Overhead minimal and ceiling high. Who says that cheating the fans doesn’t pay off?

  10. Flyers_01 says:

    The NHL Cap is a floating cap also based on revenues. I predict it will actualy dip next year before going up but it will not be staying at 39 mil.

  11. opie22002 says:

    That all sounds great, but you’re not basing your information on facts. Sure attendance tailed off in 2003-2004 due to the fact that the Penguins were such a poor team. But I don’t think too many fans are willing to spend upwards of $50 a ticket to watch a minor league team. Now, with a new economic system, the Penguins can be competitive again and can keep pace with the market place. The announcement of the Pens getting the first pick was immediately precipitated by a great flood of ticket calls. You will soon see that the Penguins attendance will be great coming out of this lockout. Why? Because fans here understood that this had to be done!

  12. Bishop7979 says:

    I wish my internet hadnt been down for the last week so I could have commented earlier. but when it comes down to it, with all the negative, uninformed comments coming out on the board about the pens I feel the need to really comment, even though its probably too late for it to make any real impact on the ignorant masses of ranger fans whining and *****ing.

    First off, Crosby to the pens is great. Already the first game of the season has been sold out from what I’ve heard on the radio and I expect many more sellouts on the way.

    Crosby has played with Mario in the offseason and they are good friends. they will have a great effect on each other, and there is no one else in the league right now who can show Crosby the ropes of the NHL like Mario can.

    Second. for all the whining about what a weak team the pens have.

    First off they have only a handful of player signed, and infact have stated with the new investors their payroll will be in the range of 30 mil, possibly more if ticket sales remain this strong.

    Having mario recchi already penciled in, they also own the rights to Morozov and Malone, who along with Crosby, and the addition of at least 1 if not 2 impact forwards will make a strong top 2 lines.

    On defence they have Tarnstrom, a player who puts up gonchar like offensive numbers and is one of the top powerplay quarterbacks in the league. jackman came into his own the second he steped on the ice a penguin getting a point per game and being a strong player in his own end. he will have a chance to perform at the level again. Orpik is one of the better young physical defenceman in the league and 5th overall pick from a few years back, ryan whitney will be joining the blue line this year as well. The pens will add 1 top pair defensmen and on second pair defensman before training camp opens.

    also look for them to add a vet goalie to help develope fluery. the kid isnt even 20 yet and needs time to adjust, but once he does he’ll be a solid starter for years.

    The final point I would make is that the pens have craig patrick as a gm. One of the smartest men in the league at building teams, and teams with chemistry.

    I would match my pens, their young players and craig patricks ability to build a team around them to any of the other teams in a similar position in the league. I believe guys like mario when they go on tv and say that the will get guys that will change the face of the team overnight, and that they are going to spend the money to get into the playoffs.

    the only way that the team will get the arena is if they can get the fans support again, in a short about of time, and show that they can compete and be a sucessful team in the city.

    I’ll challenge mik, if he reads this. Let’s make a freindly wager. I’ll put craig patrick and the team he assembles against Glen Sather and the team he assembles and see who has more points at the end of the season. Send me a PM or reply if your interested Mik. You seem convinced that the pens will fail, lets put some weight behind that comment.

  13. GretzNYR99 says:

    A proud hockey town my ass.

    This coming from one of the same fans that couldn’t get down to the Igloo even with Mario’s little pr move and the lowering of ticket prices in the 03-04 season.

    A proud hockey town would come and see their team in times of despair, especially when they’re ON THE VERGE OF CONTRACTION.

    Now I’m going to have to hear a bunch of fairweather fans that would have never shown their hideous faces had not it been for the acquisiton of Crosby, nevermind the fact that they’ll know jackshit about hockey.

  14. GretzNYR99 says:

    Stop trying to make yourself sound important.

    “poor souls”

    HAHA, you’re posting on an online hockey forum.

    Get off of the computer, get a social life, and stop trying so hard.

  15. GretzNYR99 says:

    Zherdev was much higher ranked prospect than Malone, and so far from what I’ve seen of the two of them, the rankings hold water.

    Zherdev has much more potential to do damage. He’s the most dynamic Russian since Kovalchuk, and that says a lot.

  16. GretzNYR99 says:

    With the 24% rollback, you’d know that Jagr’s contract goes down to about 8.3 mill, and it’s split between the Rangers and the Caps, so Jagr technically is being paid about 4.15 mill from the Rangers.

    So tell me, how does that coffee smell?

  17. GretzNYR99 says:

    Wow, well said.

    Honestly, Mario isn’t all that he’s told out to be by these fairweather fans.

    They’re as blind as bats when it comes to this stuff.

  18. guinsfan4life says:

    You have a proud hockey town in your ass? Makes sense, cause the Rangers have really stunk.

    How do you know how many pens games I went to last season?? I’ll tell you what, you really think you know alot about everything.

    Contraction was never an issue anywhere but in the small minds of fans like you. It was never a league issue. Therefore, whether or not fans attended games has nothing to do with it.

    All of your teams have the capital to succeed therefore you think you should be heads and shoulders above everyone else. And when your not, you resort to just being a plain old crybaby. And that is basically what you are. A crybaby.

    So if you ever want to actually talk about hockey rather than insult because you are unable to deal with the disappointment–let me know, and we’ll see who knows jackshit about hockey.

  19. guinsfan4life says:

    Yeah definately. Do they reach and try to sign Neidermayer? Or do they stick with what they’ve got and get someone who will command less?

  20. GlenSather says:

    Tarnstrom a great quarterback on the power play? lol. Ricco Fata is gonna center Lemiux and Crosby.

  21. GlenSather says:

    Who are you to determine how much somebody is allowed to earn in a free market. You canadians move more and more to the communist left every day.

  22. GlenSather says:

    Pittsburgh made Kovalev a star? how many Stanley Cups did he star in for PIttsburgh oh whats that you said.. speak up a little ooohhh none. Ryan Malone is a star I must have missed the 2004-05 season when this happened.. ohhhh that was the ahl. You have to be specific with me I thought you meant he was a star in the NHL. As for Mark Recchi, I think they penguins should sign francis, stevens, phil bourque, and bob errey and if they try real hard they might be able to pry Ulf Samuelson from coaching the hartford wolfpack.

  23. GlenSather says:

    How about this jolt of hard reality for Pittsburgh fans, Roethlisberger was extremly upset that the N.Y. Giants didn’t draft him (they opted for the stronger prospect Eli Manning) Guess what the NFL did a better job of creating a way for Manning to end up in New York and the NHL dropped the ball…err puck again.

  24. Bishop7979 says:

    is tarnstrom a great quarterback on the PP? Hell yes. why wouldnt he be? Because he was tied for like 4th in the league as far as defensmen went, a whole 6 points behind gonshar? Leetch Blake and Zubov. The year before he had 41 points in 61 games. He averages over half a point a game on defense.

    how about tied for the lead among defensmen goals scored on the PP.

    how about having 38 points on the powerplay? Gonchar had 34. In fact tarnstrom led the league as far as pp points by a defensmen. By himself, its not like he had the supporting cast the some of the other players on the list.

    so given that he led the league that catagory, i think i can say hes a great pp quarterback.

    You have the internet kiddo, why not look up some of these things before you start spouting your mouth off?

  25. Bishop7979 says:

    is tarnstrom a great quarterback on the PP? Hell yes. why wouldnt he be? Because he was tied for like 4th in the league as far as defensmen went, a whole 6 points behind gonshar? Leetch Blake and Zubov. The year before he had 41 points in 61 games. He averages over half a point a game on defense.

    how about tied for the lead among defensmen goals scored on the PP.

    how about having 38 points on the powerplay? Gonchar had 34. In fact tarnstrom led the league as far as pp points by a defensmen. By himself, its not like he had the supporting cast the some of the other players on the list.

    so given that he led the league that catagory, i think i can say hes a great pp quarterback.

    You have the internet kiddo, why not look up some of these things before you start spouting your mouth off?

  26. GretzNYR99 says:

    So Tarnstrom has like 50-60 points a year, because of one season?

    When did this happen?

    A good powerplay qb? Maybe.

    A good defender? When he learns what defense is, I’ll believe it, and this comes from watching Brian Leetch the last few years.

  27. GretzNYR99 says:

    “You have a proud hockey town in your ass? Makes sense, cause the Rangers have really stunk.”

    You know what, I tell you, that’s sharp… for a 10 year old.

    “Contraction was never an issue anywhere but in the small minds of fans like you. It was never a league issue. Therefore, whether or not fans attended games has nothing to do with it.”

    Go look in Spectors Archives and see if you can find the rumors about Pittsburgh moving to Winnipeg. Your team hasn’t had any financial support towards a new arena, and it’s been 6 YEARS, that’s over HALF OF A DECADE since Mario took over because he felt bad because HE put your club in the situation it is with A HUGE CONTRACT, KNOWING the team was in a hole financially, and there is STILL NO funding for a new arena. Your team is screwed because your government doesn’t care about your team because the fanbase is FAIRWEATHER. Give hockey back to a Canadian city that would appreciate it, like it was rumored to Winnipeg during the lockout.

    Small Mind? Not really, your lack of common sense shows here because you run to the whole “crybaby” thing. I think YOU’RE whining because you know I’m right about your team.

    Since when did you start posting on here? My point is that Pittsburgh has a horrible fairweather fanbase, which has always been the case. The Steelers losing always outdrew the Penguins winning.

    I must have struck a nerve when I typed in “fairweather.” Why is that? Because that’s what you are, a half-witted FAIRWEATHER moron who knows jack shit about hockey, and is now using the crybaby card because I’ve called out his bluff.

    Really what do you know about hockey?

    Teams like yours who were weak and couldn’t compete anymore drove hockey into the ground. EJ Hradek said it best…

    “This new cba was designed specifically for teams like Pittsburgh.”

    Small market teams who can’t compete, tank yearly, and are POORLY MANAGED, one of them being the Pittsburgh Penguins, have handcuffed the NHL.

    Look up the term “Social Darwinism” when you get a chance.

    Maybe if the NHL worked like that, we wouldn’t have this problem.

  28. GretzNYR99 says:

    HAHA, here we go with the Sakic offer sheet.

    For the umpteenth time, that didn’t cause anything, except for player greed. Sakic was the best player in the world at the time, no argument to it. He deserved to be paid that much. Kariya and Lindros didn’t. Disney went OVER the 7 mill a year that Sakic was offered by the Rangers and gave him 10 mill a year for 6 YEARS, which just ended in the 03 offseason after they wouldn’t QUALIFY him at that price.

    If you want to blame something, blame the POOR MANAGEMENT in Anaheim for giving him that much money after only playing 2 full seasons. To demand that much money with a resume that small is RIDICULOUS.

    If anything teams like LA, Pittsburgh, and Buffalo have ABUSED the NHL with atrocious management. Mario Lemieux drove Pittsburgh into the ground with his huge contract to seemingly sit out on average about half of a season. McNall’s debacle in LA left them in shambles, and they’re STILL feeling it. The Rigas’ years of blundering has put Buffalo down in a hole, and Golisano is struggling to get them back out.

    Economics caused this lockout. Poor management and horrible ownership from people who know shit about hockey caused this lockout. The Rangers have horrible management, yes, but by the time Dolan stepped in, the NHL knew that it was in trouble and the only way it was going was down, because they wouldn’t refurbish the CBA and fix up patches that fell apart. Talks were held off for YEARS. Back then, people didn’t want to talk about it.

    Overexpansion is a HUGE factor in all of this as well. Teams were built in HORRIBLE markets such as Atlanta, Phoenix, Carolina, Tampa Bay, Florida, and Nashville. These teams were built knowingly that they wouldn’t generate revenue being rock bottom on the food chain in fan support. Tampa Bay won the Stanley Cup and I have relatives down there, and aside from my cousin, I don’t think there’s a damn person down there that knows or cares about the Lightning. I was down there the past 2 years during playoff time and no one cared to watch games, there were no advertisements anywhere, and no bars would air any games. Overall, no one wanted anything to do with hockey down there. These teams aside from Tampa TANK yearly for draft picks, and by doing so, draw little fans, which generates little or no revenue. Teams like this that cannot survive because NASCAR reigns supreme in their market have to be axed, that’s the only way the NHL will ever solve it’s economical problems.

    24 teams was enough.

  29. GretzNYR99 says:

    What an asshole!! Some fairweather Penguins fan!!

  30. GretzNYR99 says:

    Yeah, this new ownership is going to buy the NHL’s talent pool.

    Ok, keep dreaming.

    All I know is in 2 years when the lease on Mellon expires and there’s no arena, there will be hockey in Manitoba or Quebec again.

    You know you’ve made a mistake when you let a team that’s declared bankruptcy keep on running… on fumes, that is.

  31. GretzNYR99 says:

    Money talks, bullshit walks.

    I never said your city was poor, if I said your city was poor, I would have said… YOUR CITY IS POOR. Learn how to read.

    I said your local government was UNWILLING to put money into it because THE FANS were unwilling to put even a penny into it. If the fans dont want to put tax dollars and support it, then why the hell should there be a team in Pittsburgh? The fans don’t care, your fanbase is obviously fairweather from that observation, because any diehard fan would go head over heels to keep their team around.

    So you were ok with Quebec picking #1 overall 3 years in a row, picking Sundin in 89, Nolan in 90, and Lindros in 91? Because they “couldn’t compete?” I’m not ok with that, because teams that tank get high picks every year, and are basically cheating other teams out of spots in the draft. Mik’s idea about the draft picks to prevent tanking is a great idea because it makes teams compete but gives them the tools to rebuild. Truth be told, teams that tank aren’t helping themselves, or the NHL out. They’re not generating a fanbase, which isn’t generating revenue, and that handcuffs the NHL and causes what we have experienced for the last 10 months, a lockout. Even in the cap era, if this continues, we could end up having another lockout over financial issues.

    Don’t reward teams that tank. Teams will not admit to tanking, but you can tell when they are and aren’t. It’s basically cheating everyone else out of a chance for a better shot at a higher pick.

  32. NemiNA says:

    Your a bitter Jerk Off!

  33. NemiNA says:

    Damn straight buddy, go Pennsylvania!

  34. NemiNA says:

    YOUR A DOUSCHE BAG! Your just a sour Rangers fan that is pissed cause you don’t get to jerk off to Corsby!

    Quite your *****ing. Besides, its the friggin press man, shut the hell up.

  35. guinsfan4life says:

    Let’s just say I thought I had to get on your level for you to understand me..which would explain the 10 yr. old insult.

    Right or wrong..yes, you are right about some issues regarding the penguins, but you are also wrong about others. And I could mention tons of things about the Rangers and be right about them–and it might not be what you want to hear, but I’d be accurate. All I know is the Rangers had 3 balls in the lottery, and so did the Penguins. It was the luck of the draw that they pulled out the penguins’ ball first. If the Rangers win the lottery, we probably aren’t even having this conversation.

    I’ve been posting here for about 3 years. I’ve already said multiple times that Pittsburgh is a football town–no matter what. That will never change and for that matter there is a smaller following of hockey in every city. I’ll bet if the Giants or Jets won 4 Super Bowls, football would be even bigger than it is there now.

    YOu think I’m fairweather, that is your opinion. You think I know little about hockey, your opinion. Funny thing is, you haven’t done any talking about hockey since we started this thread only insults. So who is insecure about hockey knowledge??

    You are so narrow minded. It would take a person like you to borrow material from a hockey writer to prove a point.

    The new CBA also will protect your beloved Rangers from themselves, and that is directly from the mouth of your front office!! It will enable them to infuse their roster with more youth instead of going out and signing overpriced veterans. But you don’t see that, and you tell me you know hockey?? What about the Rangers, let’s talk about your team. You wanna talk about poorly managed?? THey are the posterboys for poor management, more so than any small market team.

  36. guinsfan4life says:

    Let’s just say I thought I had to get on your level for you to understand me..which would explain the 10 yr. old insult.

    Right or wrong..yes, you are right about some issues regarding the penguins, but you are also wrong about others. And I could mention tons of things about the Rangers and be right about them–and it might not be what you want to hear, but I’d be accurate. All I know is the Rangers had 3 balls in the lottery, and so did the Penguins. It was the luck of the draw that they pulled out the penguins’ ball first. If the Rangers win the lottery, we probably aren’t even having this conversation.

    I’ve been posting here for about 3 years. I’ve already said multiple times that Pittsburgh is a football town–no matter what. That will never change and for that matter there is a smaller following of hockey in every city. I’ll bet if the Giants or Jets won 4 Super Bowls, football would be even bigger than it is there now.

    YOu think I’m fairweather, that is your opinion. You think I know little about hockey, your opinion. Funny thing is, you haven’t done any talking about hockey since we started this thread only insults. So who is insecure about hockey knowledge??

    You are so narrow minded. It would take a person like you to borrow material from a hockey writer to prove a point.

    The new CBA also will protect your beloved Rangers from themselves, and that is directly from the mouth of your front office!! It will enable them to infuse their roster with more youth instead of going out and signing overpriced veterans. But you don’t see that, and you tell me you know hockey?? What about the Rangers, let’s talk about your team. You wanna talk about poorly managed?? THey are the posterboys for poor management, more so than any small market team.

  37. masarume says:

    Be a smarter fan and don’t go to their games. Stop watching THEIR games.

    I’m sure many fans have done that and now they are on the brink of being bankrupt. It is a risky game that they play and I’ve already lost all respect for that team even w/ lemieux, malkin, crosby, and fleury.

    Even if they cheat, naturally, they will pay.

  38. guinsfan4life says:

    First, let’s address this issue you have with our fans being fairweather, which I have no idea you are basing it on.

    First of all, the penguins, from 92-97 were above the NHL average in ticket sales.

    They have been below average since then, and were 200 fans short in 00-01.

    So if that is what you based your opinion on, that is fine.

    However I caution you that for the 02-03 season, the penguins were not the only team that was below average in attendance;

    NYI, Carolina, Mighty Ducks, New Jersey, Phoenix, Tampa, Chicago, Washington, Boston, Atlanta, Nashville, Calgary, and Buffalo.

    On the other hand, the top 10 teams in terms of attendance were; Montreal, Detroit, Philly, St. Louis, Toronto, Minnesota, NYR, Colorado, Buffalo, and Ottawa.

    So from this, you can come up with two things;

    1. If you are basing the label fairweather on the lack of attendance, you can also put that label on approximately half of the entire league.

    2. Ironically so, if you look at those top teams most of them are prennial playoff contenders, including your three Canadien teams where hockey draws parallels with Football here in America.

    3. And most of those teams are ones that had average or above average in the league in payroll; probably 6 of them.

    Taking all of this into account, you could say that hockey is a niche sport for MOST people. And, team standing greatly determines attendance because of that. And your assertion that pittsburgh has a fairweather fanbase may be true (if you want to base it on attendance), but it is also true for half of the league, or you could say the below average attendance of half of the league was due to the economic imbalance of the league.

  39. guinsfan4life says:

    First, let’s address this issue you have with our fans being fairweather, which I have no idea you are basing it on.

    First of all, the penguins, from 92-97 were above the NHL average in ticket sales.

    They have been below average since then, and were 200 fans short in 00-01.

    So if that is what you based your opinion on, that is fine.

    However I caution you that for the 02-03 season, the penguins were not the only team that was below average in attendance;

    NYI, Carolina, Mighty Ducks, New Jersey, Phoenix, Tampa, Chicago, Washington, Boston, Atlanta, Nashville, Calgary, and Buffalo.

    On the other hand, the top 10 teams in terms of attendance were; Montreal, Detroit, Philly, St. Louis, Toronto, Minnesota, NYR, Colorado, Buffalo, and Ottawa.

    So from this, you can come up with two things;

    1. If you are basing the label fairweather on the lack of attendance, you can also put that label on approximately half of the entire league.

    2. Ironically so, if you look at those top teams most of them are prennial playoff contenders, including your three Canadien teams where hockey draws parallels with Football here in America.

    3. And most of those teams are ones that had average or above average in the league in payroll; probably 6 of them.

    Taking all of this into account, you could say that hockey is a niche sport for MOST people. And, team standing greatly determines attendance because of that. And your assertion that pittsburgh has a fairweather fanbase may be true (if you want to base it on attendance), but it is also true for half of the league, or you could say the below average attendance of half of the league was due to the economic imbalance of the league.

  40. GretzNYR99 says:

    You’re*, you idiot.

    Practice what you preach, and go swallow a fork and die.

    I didn’t recall asking for the opinion of a worthless hack.

  41. GretzNYR99 says:

    People who think like you do that work in the front offices of these NHL teams are the reason why those teams handcuff the NHL and bring about situatuons such as this lockout.

    Make teams compete. No team should be allowed to cheat and SUCK intentionally. It doesn’t generate revenue. Make incentive for these teams to compete. If it means that they can’t get a top 5 pick until they make the playoffs after picking 3 years in a row, then be it. It’ll test the strength of their scouting staff.

    Time to stop pampering the weak, it’s the reason why the NHL is in the situation it’s in.

  42. GretzNYR99 says:

    It’s not like sports writers for other sports weren’t saying this…

    Idiots.

    It’ll be Bettman’s biggest mistake. He tried marketing Heatley in Atlanta, the accident happens. He tried marketing Thornton in Boston, a bigger and better hockey market which would gain more media exposure… and then right after that, Thornton gets into that bar room brawl with his brother and the cops. Crosby in New York would have been the perfect fit because people love to watch New York because casual fans either hate them and want to see them lose, or they want to see a big market team with a superstar on it, and New York teams are usually noted for that, hence Dolan’s little pr strategy of stockpiling a team full of stars.

  43. GretzNYR99 says:

    There shouldn’t be hockey in Pittsburgh either.

    The fans want nothing to do with putting any semblence of a tax dollar into the new arena, and it’s been 6 years since Lemieux brought to the table a need for a new arena.

    The fanbase is 90% fairweather, I have friends who are Pens fans that live there, and they think it’s pathetic that this team is still around when it’s miniscule fanbase wants nothing to do with helping out the team.

  44. GretzNYR99 says:

    It was a pr strategy thought of by many members of the press, and you knbw what, it would have worked had not it been for Bettman being afraid of being called out for conspiracy.

  45. bmac says:

    all of you winers (mostly from NY) should just suck it up. the franchise that got the most of a shaft was the panthers and they have sucked it up. crosby going to the pens is a good thing. why should he have went to NY who are one of the main focus points of why the nhl was forced into locking out for a whole year. why should they have gotten sid? marketing? whatever. why can he be marketed in pittsburgh? for those of you immature lil boys and girls, he already had deals signed with gatorade and reebok PRIOR to the draft PRIOR to him ever putting on ANY teams jersey. he will be marketed just fine. but i should know better we all have to feel bad for the rangers. why? they blatantly collect mid ranged stars, overpay them then complain when their team sucks year after year. i dont get it.

    there are fans out there in pittsburgh and for any of you to say different are absolutely crazy. the problem with pens fans not going to games is because people cant afford to go. with the way the game was going and the absurd pricing of tickets scared everyone but the companies away. pittsburghers do not hate the team, they just couldnt afford it. we love the pens. plus i dont remember too many sellouts in madison square gardens since 1994 when you all jumped off the bandwagon after that cup the rangers bought not won.

    as for the comments “an organization that tanked for three seasons” those of us who pay attention to sports tend to call this REBUILDING. the pens traded away most talent and albatross contracts because our front office 1. couldnt afford big contracts and 2. saw the lockout coming and went with a youth movement. they were the only smart ones. so yes while most laughed at our struggling franchise, teams like the rangers gave ridiculous contracts to jagr, kasparitis, holik etc. so yes we did have to endure some pretty crappy teams, but look who is sitting pretty now. this “tanking” you say (mostly rangers fans) happens just about every year by teams in baseball basketball and football to shed dead weight and prepare for the future. its great our front office realized it and the front offices at the NYR just kept spending and spending. it was funny to read in the paper that they quoted someone in the rangers organization “i think we are going to go with a youth movement to see where that takes us” hindsight is 20/20. im glad the pens went to the youth movement 3 yrs ago. towards the end of the last year of hockey it was great to watch the youngsters get the game going again and the city was excited and slowly coming back, but the lockout struck and now with Sir Sid, the city is ecstatic about hockey. we have tons of cap space, ticket prices are down and now mario, sid , recchi and company are ready to roll.

    its a great day for hockey….that is unless your a rangers fan

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