All the Optimism has been shot down.

Just a short period ago, there was renewed optimism throughout the hockey world. However, this is no more.TSN is reporting that today’s meeting ended, with no date for more discussions. While both groups hope to resume talking, they’ve made no plans to hold meetings just yet.

Bill Daly stated that there are still “philosphical” differences between the parties. The Coyotes and Mighty Ducks have also come out and said that they have in no way contacted any current players.

Markus Naslund and Dan Cloutier have also headed off to Europe, and one would think that if Trevor Linden thought there was an agreement in sight, he would have kept his teammates here just a little but longer. Cloutier, does not even have an escape clause.

So I began this day very optimistic, and now, I am more convinced that there won’t be a Stanley Cup winner this season.


23 Responses to All the Optimism has been shot down.

  1. LeafyMcLeaf says:

    I believe you must have posted this a tad early. Bill Daly now says there is more hope then ever. Even though Linden says we’re through.

  2. LeafyMcLeaf says:

    Also, a group in Edmonton is trying to free the Stanley Cup, and make it part of a challenge tournament for Canadian teams.

  3. Flyers_Fan_In_LA says:

    It is essential to the negotiations that the NHL makes a public effort in order to get an impasse.

    I agree with you Coach – the NHL better come with a deal that is TEMPTING to the rank and file. Much like the NHLPA tried to shock the owners into their way of thinking with a 24% rollback, the owners better have some tricks up their sleeve including: dates for a season, earlier UFA, increased minimum salaries, changes to the game that the players can be part of and even a “franchise” player tag. Give the players something to REALLY think about before they sign for $500,000 in Modo.

  4. Bishop7979 says:

    Its so F’ing Pathetic that guys like Naslund, Cloutier, Forsberg, Jagr, Morozov ect are turning their backs on millions of dollars, even in a cap environment, and playing for, and gettting hurt while playing for (richards, heatley) peanuts, in Europe.

    As long as teams get to keep their prospect rights, and the rights of those who are playing for their AHL teams, I look forward to the day when an impass is called. As a pens fan I would be happy to see guys like fluery, whitney, beech, oulette, malkin and surovy playing with Mario (until he gets hurt).

    Sign all the teams best prospects/ AHL players and hit the ice.

  5. Lint07 says:

    I heard somewhere that if the NHL officially cancels the season, they won’t be allowed to bring in replacement players next year (if they feel the need to, obviously) because cancelling the season would *legally* mean not trying *everything* possible to agree on a new CBA.

    Bottom line: If they’re smart, don’t expect them to cancel the season. They’ll most likely keep every possibility open for them and just let the days go by until there is no more time to play games…

  6. 19Yzerman says:

    I have been waiting for someone on here to mention that for a week now. What do you think about it?

  7. guinsfan4life says:

    I think one thing we are all missing in this dispute is the fact the NHL is not concerned with if there is a season or not; and they shouldn’t be. If they were, they would have caved into the union’s demands in late october.

    It is more important for there to be a working system in place than there is for hockey to come back just so we can watch games.

    There isn’t going to be a season this year; and possibly next. And I believe that is where we should pick up with our discussions. If this isn’t solved by December of ’05, where does the NHL go? Replacement players? Let’s look ahead and see what the options are…

  8. guinsfan4life says:

    See, I don’t think the NHL is even taking that stance yet. The rollback was a joke, we all know that. The players will recoup that money in 3 years. Plus, if a cap is going to happen, and the players clearly don’t want one, then it doesn’t matter what incentives you give them.

  9. guinsfan4life says:

    Mario is already hurt. He hurt his back while skating two weeks ago.

  10. guinsfan4life says:

    Mario is already hurt. He hurt his back while skating two weeks ago.

  11. Freeze says:

    All of the negotiations need to be disclosed to the media so the fans can better understand what is going on in these meetings. It’s hard to know how close or far away a settlement is wthout all details.

  12. Aetherial says:

    With very few notable exceptions…

    The fans cheer for the jersey, not the team.

    I guarantee that, if we had replacements, within a couple years at most, we would forget all about the current *stars*.

    The game is nothing in the U.S…. meaning the players themselves are even less than nothing. Nobody will care if the *real* NHL’ers are sitting at home or playing in Europe.

    Within 5 years, the majority of the player base, and certainly the young stars in the league will have turned over anyway.

    I sooooo hope we see repalcements! Unfortunately, I doubt that the owners can make that fly legally :(

  13. NjDEVSFN says:

    the Firefighters of NYC have operated without a “contract” for several years

    why cant the players?

  14. guinsfan4life says:

    Worst part is, if there is a court injunction, then maybe they might force the league to play under the players’ stipulations. Or what would happen if they go to binding arbitration?

  15. hock3yfan says:

    can we gat a replacement for assholetherial? Now that would be a good move…someone who has a brain and can articulate thoughts in an intelligent manner…? or is that asking too much?

    And I like how you “guarantee” we will forget about the current stars. So where is this crystal ball you can see the future..how can you guarantee something like this…just shows how much you like talking out of your ass and reading your own posts.

  16. LeafyMcLeaf says:

    Great idea. I would rather see it go to a bunch of teen agers or guys who missed their shot then some greedy millionaire bastards. I would have mentioned it before, but it never came us, and I figured people knew.

  17. habsoverserver says:

    Cuz no one locked out the firefighters.

  18. 19Yzerman says:

    I never mentioned it because I don’t want the word get around. You see what they are trying to do is claim that the current trustees have allowed a situation to arise that will see no one crowned Champion 2005. Which I think would be a damn shame. It is the intentional exclusion of any USA team to challange for the cup which I find alarmingly selfish and is the basis for why I do not agree with that group of of people.

  19. 19Yzerman says:

    I never mentioned it because I don’t want the word get around. You see what they are trying to do is claim that the current trustees have allowed a situation to arise that will see no one crowned Champion 2005. Which I think would be a damn shame. It is the intentional exclusion of any USA team to challange for the cup which I find alarmingly selfish and is the basis for why I do not agree with that group of of people.

  20. LeafyMcLeaf says:

    I don’t think they are trying to purposley exclude the Americans. I think they want to bring it back to Canada. No offence, but it’s our game. Let us celebrate it.

  21. rojoke says:

    I can’t really say for certain about the NYFD, but the local fire department is deemed an essential service and do not have a right to strike. If they can’t strike, there’s no need to lock them out either.

  22. rojoke says:

    If the league gets an impasse declared and their final CBA proposal implemented, then, and only then would they ever resume play. In that scenario, it could be argued that because individual players negotiate their own contracts, unlike a true union, they would be exempt from any kind of anti-scab legislation in any state or province.

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