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		<title>By: Rancid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rancid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2004 20:28:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mel Lastman]]></description>
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		<title>By: SabresAreCool</title>
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		<dc:creator>SabresAreCool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2004 10:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I heard Ted Nolan was asked to coach the Toro&#039;s but then an interview with him said nothing was definite.  If, and it&#039;s a super big, monstrosity of an if, the wha actually plays a game this season, then the toros are bound to suck.  Some of the other teams actually drafted players who might be interested or likely to play in the WHA.  They wasted there picks on thornton and kovalchuk who are both set to play overseas...(thornton in swiss league, and kovalchuk to his native country of Russia)  The wha will not get players in their nhl primes.  The players drafted who might sign and play are the theo fleury&#039;s, doug gilmour&#039;s and travis green type players.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Doug gilmour was drafted by vancouver and has expressed interest in playing.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Theo fleury was drafted by hamilton and might play since the nhl has blacklisted his stupid ass.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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So the toros will suck&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
there is no way they could be an nhl playoff team.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
put down that crackpipe&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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The one move that toronto had to make was drafting crosby.  Even if crosby doesnt join the wha, they would be fools not to draft the best prospect in years and make an attempt to sign him.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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I wonder how the prospect draft will influence the nhl???? for instance, tomas Vanek was taken 2nd overall by i think quebec.  He is the 5th overall selection by the sabres in 2003 and hasnt signed a contract with the sabres yet.  I am terrified that he&#039;ll play in the wha yet somehow the sabres will lose his rights.....we really need his scoring for the future of our team since we never draft players who get to the nhl and score.....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heard Ted Nolan was asked to coach the Toro&#8217;s but then an interview with him said nothing was definite.  If, and it&#8217;s a super big, monstrosity of an if, the wha actually plays a game this season, then the toros are bound to suck.  Some of the other teams actually drafted players who might be interested or likely to play in the WHA.  They wasted there picks on thornton and kovalchuk who are both set to play overseas&#8230;(thornton in swiss league, and kovalchuk to his native country of Russia)  The wha will not get players in their nhl primes.  The players drafted who might sign and play are the theo fleury&#8217;s, doug gilmour&#8217;s and travis green type players.</p>
<p>Doug gilmour was drafted by vancouver and has expressed interest in playing.</p>
<p>Theo fleury was drafted by hamilton and might play since the nhl has blacklisted his stupid ass.</p>
<p>So the toros will suck</p>
<p>there is no way they could be an nhl playoff team.</p>
<p>put down that crackpipe</p>
<p>The one move that toronto had to make was drafting crosby.  Even if crosby doesnt join the wha, they would be fools not to draft the best prospect in years and make an attempt to sign him.  </p>
<p>I wonder how the prospect draft will influence the nhl???? for instance, tomas Vanek was taken 2nd overall by i think quebec.  He is the 5th overall selection by the sabres in 2003 and hasnt signed a contract with the sabres yet.  I am terrified that he&#8217;ll play in the wha yet somehow the sabres will lose his rights&#8230;..we really need his scoring for the future of our team since we never draft players who get to the nhl and score&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Leafmania</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leafmania</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2004 00:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Also, as far as your &quot;tie&quot; for forwards goes...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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If you think that this:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;b&gt;Kovalchuck/Crosby/Chee-Choo &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Corson/Hartnell/Thomas &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
May/Chimera/Schaefer &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
McCarthey/Gavey/Duoll &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
EXTRA: Leeb&lt;/b&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Can in any way shape or form compare to this:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;b&gt;Roberts/Sundin/Mogilny&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Antropov/Nieuwendyk/Ponikarovsky&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Tucker/Stajan/Nolan&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Kilger/Wilm/Domi&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
EXTRA:Perrott, Belak, Druken&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Well son, you have some serious issues.  Kovalchuck is great.  Chee-Choo is pretty good.  Crosby is far from being the great one yet!  Where exactly are they gonna get their offense from? May and Schaefer?....well you obviously don&#039;t watch very much hockey now do you.  The Leafs have stars and they have depth.  Last year the Leafs had 12 players with 11 or more goals.  They had more players in double digits goalwise than the league leading scorers from Ottawa.  How many are in that group, maybe 5 at best!  Even with Joe Thornton the Leafs would walk all over that sad bunch.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, as far as your &#8220;tie&#8221; for forwards goes&#8230;</p>
<p>If you think that this:</p>
<p>Kovalchuck/Crosby/Chee-Choo </p>
<p>Corson/Hartnell/Thomas </p>
<p>May/Chimera/Schaefer </p>
<p>McCarthey/Gavey/Duoll </p>
<p>EXTRA: Leeb </p>
<p>Can in any way shape or form compare to this:</p>
<p>Roberts/Sundin/Mogilny</p>
<p>Antropov/Nieuwendyk/Ponikarovsky</p>
<p>Tucker/Stajan/Nolan</p>
<p>Kilger/Wilm/Domi</p>
<p>EXTRA:Perrott, Belak, Druken</p>
<p>Well son, you have some serious issues.  Kovalchuck is great.  Chee-Choo is pretty good.  Crosby is far from being the great one yet!  Where exactly are they gonna get their offense from? May and Schaefer?&#8230;.well you obviously don&#8217;t watch very much hockey now do you.  The Leafs have stars and they have depth.  Last year the Leafs had 12 players with 11 or more goals.  They had more players in double digits goalwise than the league leading scorers from Ottawa.  How many are in that group, maybe 5 at best!  Even with Joe Thornton the Leafs would walk all over that sad bunch.</p>
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		<title>By: Leafmania</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leafmania</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2004 23:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You have to be kidding right?  ARE YOU INSANE!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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The Leafs defense is the highest scoring D in the entire league.  They have a legitimate Norris candidate in McCabe (4th overall), and a two time Norris winner in Leetch. Both of them posted +50 points, McCabe had +22 and Leetch was +11 after he came over.  They have a strong defensive d-man in Klee, a good transitional d-man in Kaberle and some decent filler Berg/Pilar.  They desperately need another top defensive d-man to round them out. But my god man, they are really good, open your eyes.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Kaberle may not be the physical defenseman that the Leafs need, but he sure knows how to play positionally and can pass the puck with the best of them.  Berg and Pilar are by no stretch the answer to our problems, but are decent with limited minutes.    Leaf&#039;s D  would run all over the Toro&#039;s 9 times out of 10.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have to be kidding right?  ARE YOU INSANE!</p>
<p>The Leafs defense is the highest scoring D in the entire league.  They have a legitimate Norris candidate in McCabe (4th overall), and a two time Norris winner in Leetch. Both of them posted +50 points, McCabe had +22 and Leetch was +11 after he came over.  They have a strong defensive d-man in Klee, a good transitional d-man in Kaberle and some decent filler Berg/Pilar.  They desperately need another top defensive d-man to round them out. But my god man, they are really good, open your eyes.  </p>
<p>Kaberle may not be the physical defenseman that the Leafs need, but he sure knows how to play positionally and can pass the puck with the best of them.  Berg and Pilar are by no stretch the answer to our problems, but are decent with limited minutes.    Leaf&#8217;s D  would run all over the Toro&#8217;s 9 times out of 10.</p>
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		<title>By: kgeisen</title>
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		<dc:creator>kgeisen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2004 15:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[1.  Why would any future hall of famer sit out for a better salary?  The last thing a 16, 17 or 18 year old prospect wants to do is lower his stocks by sitting out for a season, not to mention he&#039;s not that big so he&#039;ll need a season to get bigger for the draft.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
2.  Crosby wont enter the draft unitl next year...meaning he has to play somewhere in order to still be recognized and keep his stock up.  The WHA is the best thing for him right now.  You&#039;ve got experience with these veteran NHLers and physical play of the career minor leaguers trying to get back in the spotlight.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
3.  Gretzky played for the Indianapolis Racers (WHA) before he played for the NHL.  Messier also played for the Racers and the Cincinatti Stingers.  Howe played for the Aeros and the Whalers...all WHA teams, all who played a big part on how they &quot;left the mark on the game&quot; both in the NHL and the WHA]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1.  Why would any future hall of famer sit out for a better salary?  The last thing a 16, 17 or 18 year old prospect wants to do is lower his stocks by sitting out for a season, not to mention he&#8217;s not that big so he&#8217;ll need a season to get bigger for the draft.</p>
<p>2.  Crosby wont enter the draft unitl next year&#8230;meaning he has to play somewhere in order to still be recognized and keep his stock up.  The WHA is the best thing for him right now.  You&#8217;ve got experience with these veteran NHLers and physical play of the career minor leaguers trying to get back in the spotlight.</p>
<p>3.  Gretzky played for the Indianapolis Racers (WHA) before he played for the NHL.  Messier also played for the Racers and the Cincinatti Stingers.  Howe played for the Aeros and the Whalers&#8230;all WHA teams, all who played a big part on how they &#8220;left the mark on the game&#8221; both in the NHL and the WHA</p>
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		<title>By: Enigma</title>
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		<dc:creator>Enigma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2004 14:31:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[LOL....u&#039;d think so by the way trademan posts leafies articles. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL&#8230;.u&#8217;d think so by the way trademan posts leafies articles. </p>
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		<title>By: Enigma</title>
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		<dc:creator>Enigma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2004 14:26:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hoglund sucks too]]></description>
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		<title>By: x</title>
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		<dc:creator>x</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2004 14:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ So who&#039;s the coach of this first round playoff fantasy team?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> So who&#8217;s the coach of this first round playoff fantasy team?</p>
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		<title>By: LeafyMcLeaf</title>
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		<dc:creator>LeafyMcLeaf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2004 12:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The only defense men on the Leafs that don&#039;t suck are Belak who is only good for beating the shit out of people Klee who is oft injured and Leetch who is not selfish enough with the puck. Keberle Berg Martchment they are all urine soaked pieces of fecies.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only defense men on the Leafs that don&#8217;t suck are Belak who is only good for beating the shit out of people Klee who is oft injured and Leetch who is not selfish enough with the puck. Keberle Berg Martchment they are all urine soaked pieces of fecies.</p>
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		<title>By: heartofleafs</title>
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		<dc:creator>heartofleafs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2004 12:53:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Can I just ask what the *****?????/&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Why are you writing a post for a team that is most likely not going to exist and even if they are they are going to look nothing like this.  Nobody has a clue what anything in the WHA is going to look like so lets not waste any of our time debating who is going to be on what team and what team will win it all.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Lastly- how the hell is the defense you mentioned for the Toros better than the one the leafs have.  The only player on that list that would improve the leafs defense would be Witt.  The rest of them are nothing more than depth defensmen at the NHL level.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can I just ask what the *****?????/</p>
<p>Why are you writing a post for a team that is most likely not going to exist and even if they are they are going to look nothing like this.  Nobody has a clue what anything in the WHA is going to look like so lets not waste any of our time debating who is going to be on what team and what team will win it all.</p>
<p>Lastly- how the hell is the defense you mentioned for the Toros better than the one the leafs have.  The only player on that list that would improve the leafs defense would be Witt.  The rest of them are nothing more than depth defensmen at the NHL level.  </p>
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