Another deal in the works for the Bruins? Are they over the cap?

It is heavily Rumored that the Bruins are now over the salary cap now that they have completed the deal for Kaberle. TSN’s Darren Dreger is reporting that the Bruins may have another deal involving Blake Wheeler in the works. Leafs not involved.

32 Responses to Another deal in the works for the Bruins? Are they over the cap?

  1. Boston_Bruins says:

    I <3 the Peverley trade. What a deal by Chiarelli there.

  2. reinjosh says:

    I agree. Peverly is an upgrade on Wheeler for sure. Stuart for Valabik is a loss but not a huge one.

  3. Boston_Bruins says:

    Ya you gotta remember this was a salary dump too.

  4. reinjosh says:

    Holy Shit! Blockbuster. Erik Johnson is now an Av! Christ Stewart and Shattenkirk are Blues!


  5. reinjosh says:

    Apparently the Avs get a conditional 1st as well.

    I like this for the Avs. Johnson gives the Avs the number 1 dman they absolutely need. Losing Stewart hurts but I'm guessing they think he is replaceable with Jones?

    St Louis gets a budding powerforward and a young dman.

  6. Boston_Bruins says:

    Incredible. I honestly don't even know who won this one. It's very surprising though. When's the last time two young cornerstones were traded?

  7. reinjosh says:

    I'm with yah. I don't know what to say. I'm stunned by this deal. This years trades have been awesome so far.

  8. Boston_Bruins says:

    I love how they pulled it off at this time too. In St. Louis and even Colorado it was well past 12. Awesome.

  9. Boston_Bruins says:

    They are deep on offense already, so this actually probably will help them alot. They really needed a stud on D.

  10. albertateams says:

    Col: E. Johnson, Jay McClement, 1st (2011 or 2012)

    STL: Stewart, Shattenkirk, 2nd (2011 or 2012)
    The condition is if the Blues pick is top 10 in 2011 they can change it to there 2012, which would result in Colorado moving their 2nd to 2012.
    I really think St Louis wins this by a lot. Stewart prior to being injured this year and all of last year has been an absolute beast, and is one of the most promising power forwards in the league. Shattenkirk is a solid young d man and with Pieterangelo in St Louis Johnson was expendable at this price. Johnson has been so inconsistent he has a ton of upside but this is a huge package for him.
    An actual hockey trade, no cap move, no tank job this is an absolute shocker of a trade. 
  11. alpalstewart says:

    St. Louis wins this deal, Chris Stewart is just like Keth Tkatchuk and Shattenkirk is having a fine season too.
    the concerns are definitely there in St. louis on the 'D' with Brewer and Johnson gone and i do like the the addition to the avs defence, this is kind of a toss up right now but in the long run St.louis got the younger guys and corner stoine players as said below.  🙂

  12. Tachmo says:

    I wonder if NJ would be interested in looking at offers for Parise. At the start of the year they seemed to be in cap trouble and obviously in severe turmoil. I think Parise could have been had but now that they are winning I'm not sure what there long term plans are.

    Bos:  1st round pick (Tor), 1st rounder in 2012, Caron, Ryder
    NJ:    Parise


    Bos: Seguin, 1st round pick (TOR)
    Nj:  Parise

    Perhaps I am off my rocker and that would not be enough for Parise. I think Bos is still missing a dynamic piece up front like a Parise to make a serious push in the playoffs.

  13. leafmeister says:

    Okay. I have loved the Kaberle and Beauchemin trades, and perhaps I will come to terms with the Versteeg trade once we see what he will do with the pick, but here is how I would go from here:

    Stand pat at the deadline. That is enough dealing for now. This team looks very weak, but the Leafs pointless late-season run typically dont depend on the quality of players. They often do it with a bunch of call ups.

    We will say they finish 11th in the east, and give Boston the 7th overall pick.

    We will say that one pick ends up being 24th, and the other 28th.

    Start by moving up at the draft: Trade the 24th overall pick, 2012 2nd to Atlanta for the 10th overall pick, and Nik Antropov. – Apparently Atlanta wants to ditch Antropov's contract, and they would probably be willing to move down in the draft, and pick up a 2nd if it meant doing so.

    Then. Trade the 10th overall pick, BOS 2nd 2012, PHI 3rd 2011, TOR 4th 2011 to Colarado for the 6th overall pick. – Draft Dougie Hamilton – Act quickly in bringing in a potential long term replacement for Kaberle.

    Use the 28th overall selection to draft Marc McNeill. A solid WHL center with size.

    I really hope Burke uses these picks to get some prospects.

    Trade Mike Komisarek to anyone that will take him, if not, bury him.

    Luke Schenn, 5 years, 3.5 per
    Carl Gunnarsson, 3 years, 1 per.
    Clarke MacArthur, 2 years, 2.6 per.
    Darryl Boyce, 2 years, .75 per.
    Fredrick Sjostrom, 2 years, .75 per.
    Tim Brent, 2 years, .9 per.
    Joey Crabb, 1 year, .5 per.

    July 1 – The Leafs really have to push to sign Richards. That would really make Burke's rebuild on the fly work. If they had the picks and prospects he acquired from Kab, Beauche, and Versteeg, as well as a top line center in Richards, the Leafs would be like the Bruins are this year, a deep roster with an awesome future. I think that Burke thinks he has a good shot at Richards, judging by his Versteeg trade, and comments yesterday. Hopefully he is right.

    I would throw a 7 year deal worth 6.5 per, but frontloaded as much as the league will tolerate.

    Once you have Richards, flip Bozak's negotiating rights into as high a pick as he will fetch. With Richards, Grabovski, and possibly Kadri or Colborne, Bozak becomes redundant.

    Then, sign Christian Erhoff to a 5 year, 25 mil contract. Every Leaf fan seems to want him, hopefully he will be too expensive for Vancouver to keep him.

    Sign Josh Harding, 3 years, 2.5 per. I seem to be in the minority of people who want to have a viable alternative to Reimer next year. Gustovsson has been thoroughly unconvincing, and Reimer is still a kid. He is gonna be a good, maybe great goalie, but how many goalies are ready to play 60 games at 23? We need someone who can play good, solid, unspectacular hockey to let him develop.

    Next year

    Joffery Lupel (4.2) – Brad Richards (6.5)(A) – Phil Kessel (5.4)
    Clarke MacArthur (2.6) – Mikhail Grabovski (2.9) – Nikolai Kulemin (2.3)
    Nazem Kadri (1.7) – Nik Antropov (4) – Colby Armstrong (3)
    Mike Brown (.75) – Darryl Boyce (.75) – Fredrick Sjostrom (.75)
    Colton Orr (1)

    Dion Phaneuf (6.5)(C) – Luke Schenn (3.5)(A)
    Christian Erhoff (5) – Keith Aulie (.85)
    Carl Gunnarsson (1) – Jake Gardiner (.85)

    Josh Harding (2.5)
    James Reimer (.85)

    Total: 56.9

    Imagine the powerplays….

    PP 1:
    Lupel – Antropov – Kessel
    Richards – Erhoff

    PP 2:
    MacArthur – Grabovski – Kulemin
    Gunnarsson – Phaneuf

    Awesome roster, that fits under the cap, and has prospects like Colborne, McNeil and Hamilton coming up. That is the way to rebuild on the fly. It has a pretty expensive forward core, but they are deep enough to overwhelm teams. The defense is far less expensive, and has a nice balance of scoring and defense, and most importantly, they can all skate.

  14. reinjosh says:

    According to Andy Strickland, it was done on purpose. He was saying they had agreed to the deal much earlier in the deal.

  15. reinjosh says:

    I'm not so sure they did. First impression it looks like they did and that was my original thought but Stewart has done absolutely nothing since coming back and Shattenkirk was expendable with Liles on the team and Barrie in the minors. I think the Avs bet on Stewart not getting back to his old self. They also really needed a guy like Johnson on their defence.

    It's still a huge package for Johnson though.

    I love this trade. Its awesome.

  16. albertateams says:

    I think players like Stewart are so rare a power forward that is coming into his own at 23. He's not playing at 100% yet from the injury and his conditioning is a bit off. Earlier in the year there were games where he just flat out took over. 

    Shattenkirk looks really good as well. Johnson is a great talent but he still hasn't put it together.
    I love the fact that Calgary doesn't have to go up against Stewart in there own division for the foreseeable future
    I love this trade too its awesome to see gm's roling the dice on trades that aren't cap or tank driven. 
  17. Boston_Bruins says:

    The Bruins roster is really starting to shape up for next year now.

    (Sauve or FA)-Peverley-Seguin

    Subtotal – $24,370,330 + $7,557,143 (Savard and Seguin)


    Subtotal – $15,719,167

    Subtotal – $6,250,000

    Buyouts – $258,333

    Total (With Savard in and Seguin hitting all incentives) – $54,154,973
    Total (With Savard retiring and Seguin's base salary) – $47,497,830

    Marchand being resigned to play on Bergeron's wing is a given. I know Chiarelli plans to do anything he can to resign Kaberle as well. If Kaberle is resigned, one of Boychuk or Ference will be the odd man out, taking $1,875,000 or $2,250,000 off the cap respectively.

    I have absolutely no idea what Marchand will be asking for, but I'll put him at about $2,200,000 (the Wheeler salary). Kaberle I'm assuming will come in at around $5,000,000, but I'll call the total $7,500,000 just to round it up (I might be overestimating Marchand, but underestimating Kaberle).

    So, assuming both are resigned and Ference is traded, that brings the cap to $52,747,830 + Seguin's incentives. So, if the cap stays the same hat's $6,652,170 in cap space (minus Seguin's incentives) with one spot on the wing to fill, and whatever extras they want. That can either be filled by Sauve and his $845,833 salary, or somebody in free agency.

  18. reinjosh says:

    To be honest, I am giving Sherman and the Avs the benefit of the doubt.

    Sherman is one of the shrewdest and underrated GM’s in the league. He and his also have some killer scouting. From drafting O’Reilly late and then getting Mueller and Fleschmann. I’m willing to bet on the Av’s winning this trade.

    However it’s more likely both teams win. Stewart is a great piece for the Blues and he really gives them a potential scoring star to build around, something they have needed. Pietrangelo was becoming the heir apparent to the number 1 spot and Johnson wasn’t filling it yet.

    So really, I like it for both teams. Good old fashioned hockey trade, as you said. And a shocker at that.

  19. reinjosh says:

    Does the Johnson trade make it more likely that Bogosian will be moved? He's apparently quietly requested a trade.

  20. Kramer says:

    The Leafs should make another big trade.

  21. reinjosh says:

    In the past 5 years combined, for the two weeks leading up to the deadline, there were 5 deals. There was 7 yesterday. How awesome is that.

    Hopefully it doesn't stop anytime soon.

  22. reinjosh says:

    Do the Blues move a forward now? They have a ton of forwards now. Boyes is probably the most expendable but the least attractive. Maybe Perron now that Stewart has essentially taken over the position they hoped Perron would.

  23. Boston_Bruins says:

    I doubt they move Perron. Boyes is the obvious target, if they can move him. Not a good cap hit, but only 1 year left after this one. If the Bruins had the cap space I'd take him back.

  24. dumbassdoorman says:

    They may move one or the other for sure, I would guess it would be Boyes if they had a choice? What do you think the cost of either will be…..and I said in another thread, somebody is claiming Souray, half salary and cap hit…..someone is taking a chance.

  25. DannyLeafs says:

    While I agree that Burke doesn't need to do anything else, and can just let things play out and see what's available this summer, it seems that all the action is contagious, and the tight race in the west may cause some knee jerk reactions. While I would like to see Burke stay patient, I would also him keep listening to offers and get a good read on who might be available.

    He has assets to make a major move, so if a highly coveted player were to become available, I would like to think that Burke would be in on it if it makes sense going forward.

    These fast and furious trades are fun, they make all those crazy hypothetical trade scenarios seem all the more likely.

  26. DannyLeafs says:

    Yep, very solid deal. Nice to see Chiarelli decide to really go for it too. With Thomas playing red hot, they B's could beat anyone in a 7 game series, so why not try and do it now.

    Not as if they won't have assets going forward either, they still have Seguin and whatever they get from this draft with Toronto's pick.

  27. reinjosh says:

    I don't think Burke makes any knee-jerk reaction moves (which I don't think you were suggesting) but all this moving by the West and other teams makes it more likely a deal could come to Burke. As you said, he has the assets and the balls to make the move.

    I always liked one thing about Burke. He isn't the type of GM to fall to the pressure of the public. For that reason, I could see him flipping those picks for some young player.

    I'm excited to see the effects of yesterday's deal. Specifically the Johnson deal.

  28. reinjosh says:

    I would totally agree with you totally but someone has to be expendable. Boyes would obviously be the guy they want to move but he isn't the player he was two seasons ago. I doubt teams are going to want to give up much for him.

    My thinking is that Perron brings value back to the Blues. They already have a ton of players like him. Backes and Stewart as power forwards. Perron is unnecessary at this point. He could bring in a top 6 center that the Blues are in need of. 

  29. reinjosh says:

    Perron would bring more back than Boyes. I just can't see anyone taking a chance on Boyes. He was a 2 season wonder, nothing more in my opinion. I would think they would try to move Perron for a top 6 center.

  30. BruinsBoy15 says:

    End of the Season:

    Milan Lucic(A) – David Krejci – Martin Havlat
    Brad Marchand – Patrice Bergeron(A) – Rich Peverley
    Nikolai Kulemin – Tyler Seguin – Nikolai Zherdev
    Shawn Thornton – Gregory Campbell – Frederik Sjostrom
    Zdeno Chara(C) – Steven Kampfer
    Tomas Kaberle – Carl Gunnarson
    Dennis Seidenberg – AdamMcQuaid
    Tuukka Rask – Tim Thomas
    The Bruins trade Nathan Horton and Chris Kelly for Martin Havlat, maybe a pick too? They re-sign Marchand. They let go Michael Ryder. They sign Nikolai Zherdev. Now a mini-blockbuster deal… Trade Andrew Ference, Johnny Boychuk, Daniel Paille, Jordan Caron for Carl Gunnarson, Nikolai Kulemin and Frederik Sjostrom. This way Seguin has 2 snipers on his line to set up. Krejci has a better goal scorer on the wing to set up. Peverly can replace Recchi since they are both good at getting down low and good on the dot. Place Sjostrom on the wing, just for tough guy. Gunnarson, because he probably has good chemistry with Kaberle. All this cap comes in at:
    Lucic-4.083  Krejci-3.750 Havlat-5.000         
    Marchand-1.700  Bergeron-4.750  Rich Peverly-1.400   
    Kulemin-2.350  Seguin-0.900  Zherdev-2.000   
    Thornton-0.812  Campbell-1.100 Sjostrom-0.750
    Chara-7.500  Kampfer-0.572
    Kaberle-5.000  Gunnarson-0.800
    Seidenberg-3.250 McQuaid-0.625
    Rask-1.250   Thomas-4.000 
    Total – 51.592  leaving around 6.5 million extra
  31. BruinsBoy15 says:

    Okay, Komiserak has a no movement/trade clause. No minors for him…. Richards said the places he would want to go are, Dallas, tampa, carolina, st louis. I dont know what youre thinking but he just shook his head when he asked about toronto. Also, there is no 10th round anymore 🙂 Also, the colorado gm is dumb, but no that dumb, just because they have a bad team, doesnt mean you can scam them. After the year the Canucks are having, Ehroff is going to want to play for them again.

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