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Anyone interested in a Nash?

Word out of Columbus has it the Blue Jackets are maybe ready to blow things up and start over. That could mean premier forwards such as Rick Nash and Jeff Carter could be on the move, and plenty of teams would be interested. The Avs not having a first-round pick in next year’s draft could hurt if that’s the kind of thing Columbus will want. Rick Nash in an Avs uniform would certainly be attractive, and this team has shown the ability to pull off blockbusters before, plus they have the cap room.
But the Avs would have to give up a lot to get a Nash. Carter? Maybe not as much, but both wouldn’t come cheap. … It’s good to see former Av Tomas Fleischmann succeeding again in Florida, after missing the final half of last year with pulmonary embolism. Still, Fleischmann’s condition will always be a risk. He has to take blood-thinner shots every day, and he has missed time with the condition twice before in his career.

85 Responses to Anyone interested in a Nash?

  1. TheLeafNation91 says:

    Wilson's systems seems to be very passive on the PK. He has tried different variations on this over the years, but none of them have worked.

    Most of the time you see the forward PKers just swinging their stick around and trying to clog up the lanes. Hoping for a blocked shot. Most of the time this allows the other team to set up and get off a big shot off which usually goes into the back of the net.

    When they do this and the opposing team begins to cycle the puck, they start chasing because they are standing still…Once your chasing on the PK, you are dead. Usually this leads to a goal from somewhere.

    Toronto's also very soft, does not hit the body on the PK that much and their has been a lot of goals recently infront of the net because no one is taking the body on the guy standing in front of the net.

    When Toronto is on the PK, it literally looks like they are playing 5-on-4.

    Montreal is actually a very good PK team, say that have Price, but one thing I see their players do very effectively is disrupting plays by hitting anything they can see, forcing opposing teams to make a mistake through aggressive work, and disrupting the neutral zone.

    Not only is Price a decent goaltender, but most of the time the opposing team does not have a shot on them while they are on thre PK.

    That is how the Leafs need to play to be successful.

  2. TheLeafNation91 says:

    I have no issues in trading Grabovski, MacArthur, and Lombardi out of the forwards group today.

    If St. Louis wants scoring, and Chris Stewart might be available because he's playing poorly there, then why not create a package for him with one of our scorers from above?

    It would provide us with a grittier scorer which we don't have many of.

  3. blaze says:

    So you made a few vague observations and called it a 'system'. Wrong, stick to your stats numbers man. They play a 2-2 passive box, pretty common.

  4. TheLeafNation91 says:

    I said that system, I said their system is passive, but to have a successful PK you need to be aggressive on that system when it comes to working on the boards and finishing the play.

    Wilson, has always been a coach that has relied on speed for his system. Never been a very good defensive coach,and that gritty…Maybe why his teams have lacked playoff success.

  5. blaze says:

    If the Leafs could grab Stewart for MacArthur + I would be all over it.

  6. mapleleafsfan says:

    I really doubt whoever is in those spots trades down.. Unless a franchise/damn good player is going the other way it will be really hard to trade up to that spot. 

  7. blaze says:

    You have no clue about systems in hockey so I won't debate about them with you.

    I wouldn't exactly call Wilson a playoff flop either. He lost in the finals to a dominant defending champs Wings. He went to 3rd round once and the 2nd round 3 times with the Sharks.

    McLellan with a more motivated Thornton has done no better in SJ, yet he gets no flak because he's a product of the 'all we do is win' Red Wing organization.

  8. reinjosh says:

    Fair enough. TSN makes it seem like a world breaker tourney and it isn't. But whatever, its still fun as hell to watch, even if its based around 5 teams. 

    I would argue against it being used as legitimacy for credibility in sports. I've never seen that. I've seen it being used as credibility for being the best at hockey and really that's the truth. We dominate at that sport, so why not push it. Hockey is a pretty big thing in Europe and Russia. Sure it won't ever be more popular that soccer but thats because its a limited sport to countries that have the conditions for it.
    I think your vastly underrating the popularity of it in Northernish Europe and Russia. 
    And when giving credibility in sports, its important to remember that while Canada may be the second largest country in the world by land area, its vastly smaller by population. 35 million is nothing. That's barely half a percent of the world's population. The fact we can dominate at any sport is remarkable, much less compete for any sport at the world level. Hell the fact we have the most gold's for a Winter Olympics is credibility for sports (if only for winter sports, but that's just indicative of the dominant climate we have). 
  9. reinjosh says:

    Depends on the team. I bet NYI would go after him, Nashville could be a potential place for him with ownership declaring they will be a cap maximum team. Teams exist that could add him and would want to. It is a lot and it would present a challenge for sure but those kind of opportunities don't come around often. 

    How often do former 1st overall picks become available? How about when they are still only 27? How about ones who have actually put up some good numbers (30 goals or more in 6 of there 8 seasons in the NHL)? That kind of talent rarely becomes available. How about when you consider that that talent has been playing with barely anyone of actually top 6 talent.
    If Rick Nash is made available, I would bet at least ten teams would be very serious about acquiring him. Players of that ilk very rarely become available. 
  10. lafleur10 says:

    everytime you over value leafs players i'll be all over you! you over value them all the time your the worst for it so i'll be all over you for it.

  11. lafleur10 says:

    i generally don't do trade scenario's on here i'm not a leafs fans that thinks bustavsson and  is worth parise and zubrus that's a typical leaf fan for you though!

  12. THENOTORIOUS says:

     How about Gionta, PK Subban, 2nd rounder, 1st in 2013 for Nash and 2012 1st rounder?

  13. lafleur10 says:

    well even if they don't trade we'll end up with a pretty special player at 5 no matter what unless we win the draft lotery we'll end up with 1 of those guys ,because if we're of of the bottom 5 teams as i think we will be and we win the lottery we move down 4 spots and into the number 1 spot

  14. habs79 says:

    I agree there are teams that would love to have him. However aren't those reasons for Columbus to keep him as well. Didn't they trade for Carter so Nash would finally have that top line center. Why give it all up after one year. I still stand by my original assessment that if they had a quality stater they would have a much better record.

  15. habs79 says:

    Why would Columbus have to include a 1st rounder? Why would Columbus give up their 1st rounder this year when it's suppose to be a deep draft for a 1st rounder next year. 

  16. reinjosh says:

    Honestly I'm starting to get the idea that Nash is tied to the old era, the era synonymous with losing. Sure he has talent but sometimes you need to make the rough choice of trading him to take that next step as an organization. 

    The Thornton trade is example of that, I hope the Phaneuf trade will be an example of that (for the Flames, ending the Sutter era, starting a rebuild. That's the hope).
    Columbus needs to trade Nash to accomplish this. Move forward with Yakupov as the centerpiece and give the whole team a fresh start. 
    Nashi will never be the 80-90 point player people see while he stays in Columbus.
  17. habs79 says:

    Chris Stewart won't happen. He has not seen a decline in ice time or number of shifts. Besides given their current position in the standings St. Louis would be more likely to package Stewart for somebody else. 

  18. habs79 says:

    If St Louis trades Stewart, it will be as part of a package for someone substantial.

  19. habs79 says:

    If anything those trades are reasons not to trade Nash. The Flames got ripped off in the Phaneuf deal. Not even 2 years since making that trade all the Flames have to show for it is Matt Stajan, Anton Babchuk, and Tom Kostopoulos. As for Thronton, that trade had nothing to do with them winning the cup. Unless you consider Andrew Ference as the main piece in them hoisting the cup as that's all that's left from that give away.

  20. Steven_Leafs says:

    right because you didn't say that Price was more valuable than Taylor Hall and Subban was more valuable than Jordan Eberle. I don't know where I got that from. Seriously man, you need to relax, your gonna stress yourself into an early grave. I'm worried about you bro.

  21. reinjosh says:

    Obviously the trades didn't work out but it wasn't about the pieces, it was about symbolic move of moving on. I could point to the Richards/Carter deal that Philly made this summer.

    Sometimes you need a team to make a mistake for it move in the right direction. It sounds retarded but sometimes teams just need to cut loose on a player because that player is getting in the way. Phaneuf was just spiralling down in Calgary and that trade led to Sutter's firing. The return wasn't great but it got the team new management. Same thing with the Thornton deal.
    I maintain trading Nash is the thing Columbus needs to do. Ineffectual past necessitates the need for a radical move to enter into the future. If trading Nash gets Howson fired and the upper management to take building a core properly, then it should do so. 
  22. mapleleafsfan says:

    No way, that pick is untouchable. Maybe if it was your first this year. Don't see Colombus trading nash + the first or second overall pick for a useless player to them in gionta and subban. Nash > Subban and a first next year… Gionta + a 2nd isn't worth yakupov. Gionta probably has value elsewhere, but definitely not to a basement team. 

  23. lafleur10 says:

    i don't have to learn it sorry,i learned it every day on here from the ridiculuosness of leafs fans thinking bustavsson will get them parise!

  24. habs79 says:

    Yes the trading of Richards and Carter were bold moves. However I doubt people looked at those trade with the scratch your head confusion of the Phaneuf and Thornton give aways. The Flyers hauled in 2 young roster players with top 6 potential in Jakub Voracek and Wayne Simmonds, a prospect with top center all star potential in Brayden Schenn, and a 1st 2nd and 3rd round picks. If it pans out for the Flyers or not time will tell, however at the time of the trades they got a better haul than the Phaneuf and Thornton trades combined.

    As far as Nash goes Columbus can't afford to make a bold move like Philly. Their fan base is nowhere near as loyal as the one in Philly.
  25. mapleleafsfan says:

    Considering you're referring to Sharxfans post, maybe you should go back and read what every other leafs fan on the site said about those proposals… Just because one guy suggests it, doesn't mean we all believe it.. Notorious' proposal below is pretty awful, but we're not flaming you for it.  

  26. TheLeafNation91 says:

    Chris Stewart has been the name mentioned in trade talks as of late with the Blues.

    If he's available, why not create a package for him giving them a decent top-six forward.

  27. TheLeafNation91 says:

    So, Montreal would get 3 franchise players while Columbus gets dittly squat?

    Good luck.

  28. TheLeafNation91 says:

    10 bucks I can name you countries with smaller populations that could dust Canada in a fair amount of team sports.

  29. MystifoLeafs says:

    Change Montreal 1st to this year and it would happen on draft day. 

  30. mapleleafsfan says:

    I really don't think it would… What's better, Nash + Yakupov/Grigorenko or first round (5-10), subban, gionta and a second?

    Say you break it down…
    – Nash for Gionta and Subban – pretty crap return for nash. They have no need for gionta at all and he'd be harder to flip on draft day than the deadline. Subbans a nice pickup but not worth it. 
    – Downgrade their first (potentially 1st overall) for a second round pick? I really doubt it.
    I think they would rather hang on to nash, draft yakupov/greg and then potentially trade nash later for a better return or see whether him and whoever they draft could tear it up.  
  31. habs79 says:

    Simple any of the names mention is not putting up much better numbers than he is. Since he has not seen a decline in ice time he is clearly not in the dog house hence they not looking to trade him. Also why trade a player entering their prime who also is an RFA for guy who won't get any better and is going to be a UFA. 

  32. habs79 says:

    Ok I don't think Columbus would accept the deal, I would like to ask where the 3 franchise players come from.

  33. TheLeafNation91 says:

    Nash, Yakupov, and Montreal's low pick if the standings ended today. Which good be Galyenchuk.

    That equals 3.

  34. TheLeafNation91 says:

    I agree with mapleleafsfan

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