Are the Leafs done making moves?

No, Toronto Maple Leafs general manager Brian Burke was pretty quiet on the opening day of free agency on Sunday – making only one small addition in checking centre Jay McClement – and given the market, he was fine with that.

After being burned on July 1 before, he wasn’t wading into the frenzy despite his team’s obvious needs.

“We hand out contracts with unrealistic values and with unrealistic term,” Burke said of NHL teams on free agency. “When you’re in a hard cap system, that bites you right in the butt at some point. …

“I think if you look carefully at the impact players from July 1 have, you’ll see it’s not what people think it is.”

Some evidence of Burke’s previous mistakes in free agency was on display on Sunday.

Colby Armstrong – bought out on the weekend for the final year of a three-year, $9-million (all currency U.S.) deal the Leafs signed him to two years ago – landed with the Montreal Canadiens for just $1-million next season.

Netminder Jonas Gustavsson, a Leafs signing in 2009, received a two-year deal from the Detroit Red Wings, who were happy to have him as a backup and felt he had been misused as a Leaf.

“Their team had trouble and he was kind of leaned on to be the guy and it might have been a bit too much,” Wings vice-president Jim Devellano said. “We’ll have a better team and I think he’ll do just fine.”

130 Responses to Are the Leafs done making moves?

  1. nordiques100 says:

    At least the Raptors are out there trying to get an impact free agent.

    I posted on another article about a few names Toronto could trade for since free agency isn’t an avenue the Leafs will pursue.

    I had 3 or 4 assets going for Evander Kane, possibly a 1st or recent former first going for Jonathan Bernier, and more young player/picks/prospects for players like Steve Ott.

    You simply tie your hands when you want to only go after elite/impact players via trade.

    Toronto will never be bad enough to get a 1st or 2nd overall pick as much as many in Leaf Nation would like to see. They just won’t tank enough and for this upcoming season, that’s not likely in the cards.

    If you are stuck picking in between 5 and 15th overall, and say no to all free agent superstars, you are going to be forced into the vicious cycle of trading firsts, trading young roster players like Luke Schenn, to fill holes. It likely causes more problems than resolve them.

    Its clear, ownership, whomever it may be, is willing to spend. If the rumor is true, offering 12 mil per for Steve Nash is indicative to me, money is no object with MLSE. sign the guy til age 40 be damned, lets get it done. I realise, Nash is on a different stratosphere as he is a Canadian basketball legend, former NBA MVP and world class star, but a big name is a big name. Parise, Suter, Gaborik, Richards, Kovalchuk, etc, if he is not going to bother, and either celebrate Canada day or be overseas for charity, instead of working the phones, brokering deals, meeting with agents, well, its clear what, and specifically who the issue is.

    I’d loathe giving up yet another 1st. and to see more former 1sts, like Kadri, like Colborne or heaven forbid Jake Gardiner go on elsewhere to succeed, because our options are hindered by internal, self imposed roadblocks, well I just don’t know how this team could progress forward.

    • lafleur10 says:

      they were bad enough 2-3 years ago and finished 29th overall and handed seguin to the bruins so yeah they could finish their again

    • leafs_wallace93 says:

      If Riems gets lite up this season we’ll bottom out.

      People fetishize top five picks as franchise blue chips but let’s be honest, it’s top two picks that are franchise changers. I’m fine with getting Kane, giving up a 1st for him but he’d be another cornerstone (again I’d be exstatic to get another young cornerstone) but he’s not a centerpiece.

      Colborne, Kadri and a protected top five pick for Kane would be great.

      • LN91 says:

        If you want to go all in…Why not see how the Getzlaf situation pans out?

        There is no other way to get a first-line Center. You never ed to overpay

        • nordiques100 says:

          This becomes another problem. Sitting on their hands waiting for a free agent to sign here when there’s no chance it happens.

          8-10 year contracts, front loaded deals, going after big names, it’s not toronto’s thing.

          It has to be among the reasons, not just the other team asking too much, which is taking Toronto out of the running for the likes of Nash and luongo.

          Burke doesn’t want to do those contracts.

          Outside of hossa and his 1 year deal with Detroit, none of the free agent stars signed for short term.

          And hoping and praying teams don’t re-sign their own is fruitless. 2 years ago everyone was waiting for Nash to b a ufa and Toronto would land him. That didn’t materialize. So waiting for getzlaf is a pointless exercise.

          I’ve favored a Nash for kessel trade which of course won’t happen. But it’s my belief that having 4 large wingers would offset having 2 tiny centres.

          Our hope now is if the JVR experiment at centre works or bozak is the next Marty st louis or Joe colborne is actually Joe Thornton.

          Its why now, mind as well get another winger a la Kane and see what happens.

          I could totally see getting Kane, trading lupul for someone like pavelski.

  2. LN91 says:

    In other good news, Dreger just tweeted Leafs are not in on Nash

    • leafs_wallace93 says:

      Ek’s was saying that the Leafs got JVR to package for Nash, that would have been great, oh well onto plan C.

      Though I’m concerned with building a roster through trade as your forever at the mercy of another GM’s will, not great especially considering how many GMs Burke has pissed off for no good reason.

      • LN91 says:

        Would rather try and swap Nash with Kessel. Atleast our top-6 wingers would be harder to play against with Nash, Kulemin, JVR, and Lupul

      • nordiques100 says:

        Whether or not they hate burke’s guts is moot. Bottom line is teams want either lupul, kessel or gardiner.

        It’s the vicious cycle of losing talent to acquire talent while others just spend and grab players for free.

        Now I’d be the first to applaud fiscal responsibility… I were a sens or oilers small market team.

        But the leafs could support 10 teams on their own and still turn a profit. To hear even Winnipeg call on parise or Nashville putting in a serious offer or middle of nowhere Minny having a shot at both is appalling.

        Toronto, even mores than the rags could write a blank cheque to anyone. The gm though chooses not to. That seriously has to be not only disturbing but disappointing to leaf fans.

        I honestly don’t know how any positive spin can be put on this.

        This here is an organization being run not to win championships. Or win at all.

        With that, it becomes one of the least desirable destinations in the league. For being an original 6 and the supposed centre of the hockey universe, it’s a complete joke.

  3. 93killer93 says:

    Hudler signed in Calgary. 4 years 16mil.

    • reinjosh says:

      That’s an interesting signing. I sort of like it. Potential for Hudler to work out real well with Iggy.

      • mojo19 says:

        Hudler is a solid player, he can play C/W and he has had a couple really productive years. But overall I think he’s a 2nd line player when he’s on, and a 3rd liner when he’s off. He’s a bit more consistent than a Tyler Bozak type, but he’s in that mould, and that calibre.

  4. albertateam says:

    I don’t mind it but I’m betting he plays with Cervanka. I think this means Cammy is going to be playing center. Something like:

    Tanguay Cammy Iggy
    Glen X Cervanka Hudler
    Baertschi Backlund Stempniak
    Comeau Jones Jackman

    Bouma, Stajan (probably gone buy out or trade to team that needs to hit the floor)

  5. nordiques100 says:

    Steve Ott….a buffalo sabre. Ott and Adam Pardy to buf for Derek Roy.

    A big blow to leafs…missing out on ott and seeing him go to a rival. Buf will b nasty. Oh joy.

    Trades trades trades. Whatever Brian.

    • LN91 says:

      No doubt about it..Reghier has had the best offseason of any NHL gm.

      • nordiques100 says:

        Well he’s done a fine job managing assets and filling pressing needs.

        He has two big lines and now some serious grit in the bottom 6.

        I’m not a huge fan of their D but, if miller returns to form, who cares who’s back there.

        • LN91 says:

          D is average but could be fixed easily as depth defenceman is easier to fix than forwards.

          With Tyler Myers…You already have a cornerstone d

          • mojo19 says:

            I would have to agree with all of that. The Sabres got off to that brutal first half last year but then they played well. I had them in around 6th, but they ended up in 9th. I think next year they could definitely be in the running for 4th-6th in the East, and maybe even higher if Miller has a big year.

            On the goaltending note: The brutal part about our division is that there are not many questions around Miller, Rask, these are real top end goalies, and then there’s Price who has been pretty up and down since coming into the league, but overall he’s a solid starter, and Anderson is another solid, reliable guy who can win you some games. Reimer and Scrivens? Not so much. A lot of question marks.

            • lafleur10 says:

              price is better than rask and miller he’s the best goaltender in our division and 1 of the best in the conference and 1 of the top 5 best in the league

            • lafleur10 says:

              mojo here’s some stats for you abut price and how he compares to some of the other guys:
              At 24 years old, price has played more games (271) than ALL of the following at the same age: Rinne (29 and at 250), Ward (27 when he did it), Miller (28), Quick (26 and at 249), Halak (27 and at 204). Only Fleury (25), Roy (24) and Brodeur (25) were close.

              At 24 and after 271 games, his save PCT (.916) is BETTER than the following at a similar amount of GP’s: Halak (.918), Quick (.916), Brodeur (.914), Fleury (.907), Miller (.911), Ward (.903) and Roy (.897).

              His GAA (2.56) after 271 GP’s is BETTER than the following at a similar amount of GP’s: Fleury (2.94), Miller (2.63), Ward (2.89) and Roy (2.84).

              There are more stats we can look at, and if anyone comes out with another goalie to compare, let me know, but if you ask me, looking at these details, I say we have ourselves, what did Gainey call him?, a “THOUROBRED” on our hands.

              Add to the fact that he has been on a VERY low scoring team for all but one of his 4+ seasons, he’s doing just fine.

              • TimTheBone says:

                You know lafleur you’re going to get a lot of flak for this one but i kinda gotta agree with you somewhat….

                Price has played very strong on a weak to sub par team…. Put the Stanley cup winning bruins in front of him and I’m sure they still win that cup…..

                Rask hasn’t played more than 41 games in a season… This season may be a real test of the level he’s really at… And he still has a strong team infront of him….

                I’m interested to here what others say though

                • lafleur10 says:

                  tim he also won a 100 games before the age of 24 he’s in a very elite group when it comes to that stat he did it before even roy and brodeur did it ! he also had a better save 5 and g.a.a than thomas that year he out deuled thomas that year and he lost 3 games in o.t. that year too infact his numbers were better than thomas’ were through out the entire playoffs eventhough the bruins won the cup his save percentage that year was.935

                • TimTheBone says:

                  Also interesting fact about miller since you brought him up mojo… He came into the league as a starter one season before price… Is 7years older than price…has rather pretty identical stats to price…

                  Millers vezina winning season…. 41 wins, 5 SO, 2.22 gaa, .929%

                  Prices best…… 38 wins, 8 SO, 2.35 gaa, .923%

                  Pretty Damn close to millers vezina winning season… Ain’t bad….

                  • mojo19 says:

                    No way those Bruins win without Thomas. That was some of the best goaltending I’ve seen in the last ten years. Thomas was on another level, even Quick this year, as good as he was, wasn’t as spectacular as Timmy.

                    • TimTheBone says:

                      And yet price and crew took them to overtime game seven…. And that was.all because of price and cammalleri

                  • lafleur10 says:

                    tim here’s some other stas about price too,i know i’m going take some flak like you said in your earlier postlol!

                    Since 2007-08, Price displays a 124-104-35 record in 271 regular season games. He ranks tied for 11th in team’s history with 16 shutouts. He shows a 2.56 goals against average and a .916 save percentage.that’s better than roy’s at that age and saint patrick is the best goaltender in our history and in league history!he also had back to back shutouts in his very first year in that 7 game series he won over the bruins ,those 2 shutouts are a record because roy and dryden didn’t even do that in their very firs year as a starter in the playoffs!

                    • mojo19 says:

                      Don’t start the Roy comparison’s yet Lafleur. You also said that Kostitsyn would be the next Kovalev and that their skill set was very compatible. I said you were a crazy nut, and of course Kostitsyn is destined to be an Afinogenov or Samsonov type of guy, meanwhile Kovalev is described as “the most skilled guy I ever played with” by pretty much anyone who ever played with him.

                    • lafleur10 says:

                      i never said no such thing mojo i said that kostisyn was better than antroflop when he played for the leafsi alos said that kovalev wa better than antroflop and you tried to say that he wsn’t but kovalev’s stas show he is/was far superior to antrflop in fact you and cam 77 said that when the leafs were going to trade antropv that year that you’d get a 1st r.d pick for him! i laughed at you so did the notorious and when you didn’t we proved it!

                    • lafleur10 says:

                      i’m also not comparing him to roy he’ll never be roy, roy is the best of all time i’m just comparing his stats to roy’s at that age and his are better they are better than miller’s too i’m just trying to show you that he’s inded as good or better than miller and his stats prove it and his stats are far superior to rasks for that matter like i said he’s the best goaltender in our divison like it or not

                    • dumbassdoorman says:

                      Hey you can throw out all the stats you want about him I doesnt matter because five of those goalies have won cups while price has not. When all is said and done that is what is is all about, right? On and I am sure if you go checking g in your stats you will see that Ward has on average more shots against per year then just about any other goalie. Now in no way I am saying price sucks but cups. Ou t so careful to the HOF guy comps too

                    • mojo19 says:

                      Ya Lafleur, you constantly were saying that Kostitsyn would be as good as Kovalev. I said that Kostitsyn wouldn’t even be as good as Antorpov, which I was right, and you equated that to me saying Antropov was better than Kovalev, since “Kostitsyn has the same skill level as Alexei Kovalev.” You’ve said this many times.

                  • reinjosh says:

                    I think Price is a top goalie in this league. He’s not even in his prime yet either. He’s definitely worth that 6.5 million a year. It may be slight overpayment but its better than the alternative (what the Leafs have).

                    I don’t really blame Price for looking disinterested at times this year either. He was flat out the only reason the team wasn’t the worst in the league and he gets almost no support. It’s got to be frustrating. When the team starts winning, look out.

              • Steven_Leafs0 says:

                oh sweet are we looking at stats? Good:

                Mike Smith played more games this year than Price and got a GAA of 2.21 and a Sv% of 0.930.

                Carey Price got a GAA of 2.43 and a Sv% of 0.916.

                I guess Montreal should trade Price straight up for Smith (save cap and get a better goalie).

                Stats are important but you can’t be completely caught up in them otherwise your arguments start to lose ground quick. For example, what do those stats above prove? Dick-all.

                Plus why the heck are you arguing that Price is better than the whole division anyway? The original post was simply stating how good the Leafs’ division rivals was for goaltending.

                The fact is Price does have question marks (I do believe he is worth every penny of that 6.5M especially when the alternative is to trade him for parts that are not as valuable (Halak trade anyone?)).

                Price will play like a Vezina goalie then play like an AHL backup, then up then down, etc. Very similar to Luongo, he is an elite goalie, top 10 in the league for sure, potential top 5 (depending who you talk to) but he does have his flaws.

            • lafleur10 says:

              he’s also in the top 10 all time for wins by a habs goaltender by the age of 24 he’s not that far from the top 5 he’ll be there shortly he’s only 51 wins away from gorges vezina who’s #5 on our all time wins!

              • mojo19 says:

                I’ll tell you what I tell the Luongo supporters. I don’t give a fuck about stats. You gotta use some discretion when you’re evaluating anything, especially goaltending. Also, just because Price has put up solid numbers so far doesn’t mean he’s better than Miller and Rask. He’s up there, he’s in that range, but you can’t definitively say he’s better. I’d say he’s the 3rd best goalie in the division as of right now.

                • lafleur10 says:

                  the numbers don’t lie and if he was a leaf you’d be using that as a base for your arguement and yes i’ll back it up with stats as i already have that he’s better than miller and rask what has rask done in his career so far? he hasn’t proven anything! so i’d say and will cntinue to say he’s the best in the divison,period end of story

                • TimTheBone says:

                  But that’s just your opinion… Rask hasn’t played NEARLY enough for anyone to reeeally make a true long term evaluation of him… He gets 20ish games a season for three seasons with a 40ish thrown in…. Hardly a full season… Let’s step back and see how he handles the full load…. You’re stating right now basically that one starter and a back up are the best goalies in the north east…

  6. TimTheBone says:

    Carey Price locked up for 6 years…. 6.5 per according to capgeek….. Thats exactly what I thought he’d sign… Awesome stuff!!!

    • nordiques100 says:

      He was going to b worth more than quick. He is the franchise. Glad they could lock him up rather than see another top Canadian born player in the states

      • TimTheBone says:

        I love the signing… Knew it was gonna be at least 6 …. I’m more than fine with 6.5 …….he is the franchise… And all franchise players are paid accordingly

        • mojo19 says:

          Don’t you think that kind of money for Price is a little high? He’s a good goalie but he has some bad stretches where he just looks kind of bored, lazy, etc. I would’ve thought he’d earn closer to $4 million given what Pavolec and Quick got and where Price fits in there.

          A bit of an overpayment but at least you lock in your goalie.

          • TimTheBone says:

            Well it could be construed as high…. But no one can argue that when price is on his game he is one of the absolute best right now…. I think he’s going to feel renewed with the way the organization is headed.. I think he felt like the last management team was headed in the wrong direction… I think you see new life ouuta this years habs team… A whole different team this year…

            And as far as I’m concerned price is the man for the 2014 Olympics over luongo and fleury….. He’s paid more than them in that simple logic…. It’s just the way i explain the number… And to me… 6.5 is fine…. Doesn’t handcuffs US and to me he’s worth It

            • mojo19 says:

              Ya like I said, given what Pavolec got in Winnipeg I expected Price to maybe be in around $4.5 a year for 6 years, and maybe as high as $5-5.5 million, so this was a bit high, but I agree he’s really good when he’s hot, one of the top guys in the league.

              Still, with Fleury, Ward, Price, and maybe Smith, Holtby as Olympic hopefuls, I’m like “what the hell happened to Canadian goaltending?” There was a time when any of these guys wouldn’t have even been on the radar. They’re the equivalent of Chris Osgood, Sean Burke, Mike Vernon (San Jose years, not Cal/Det), Grant Fuhr (Blues, not Oilers). You know, really good goalies but not superstars like Brodeur, Belfour, Roy, Cujo.

              The best goalies in the league today as far as I’m concerned are Lundqvist, Rinne, Thomas, Quick, and Kipper. No Canadian boys are in that range, sadly.

              • TimTheBone says:

                Well price has that capability… He just needs a strong group in front of him and the motivation to play… It looks like both may be right there for him… The team is slowly becoming a bigger tougher team and slowly more skilled… As far as motivation goes… If the new management and coach doesn’t do it nothing will… This could be a huge season for Price… As a fan I’m really hoping anyway

                • mojo19 says:

                  Ya, he could have a great career, no doubt, he has the talent. But if he doesn’t take that step up to that next level over the course of the next year and a half, he might make the Canadian team but he won’t necessarily be the starter, and he’s not a lock to make the team yet. Don’t get me wrong, he’s a favourite, in the top 3 as it stands, but not a lock.

        • HABSdomination says:

          Have to admit i’m pretty satisfied as well. 6 years is decent and 6,5 is not that bad. I was scared a bit there, thought he was trying to top Rinne’s contract.

          Onto P.K. now shall we

  7. TimTheBone says:

    All teams in the north east are getting bigger and tougher… Toronto better catch up

    • reinjosh says:

      No kidding eh. Prust/Armstrong to Montreal, Ott to Dallas, Boston was already big and strong.

      • mojo19 says:

        Yep, Boston has owned this division for a couple of years now, then Buffalo and Montreal add some size, grit, toughness to the line up, meanwhile Toronto does nothing and Ottawa allows Kenopka to walk to the Wild, which I think is an underrated signing as Kenopka was a factor in a lot of games because of his presence out there.

        Burke should really look at George Parros if he hasn’t signed, not sure…

        • nordiques100 says:

          Signed with FLA.

          When I’m looking at grinding forwards in the NE division I see:

          Boston has lucic, Campbell, Marchand, Thornton all Canadian.

          Buffalo has ott, foligno, kaleta, Ellis, all but 1 Canadian

          Montreal has army, prust, white, moen all Canadian

          Ottawa has smith and Neil, Canadians.

          Toronto has kulemin, steckel and brown. No physical Canadian forwards. Perhaps just lupul but the point is, the team could use some hard nosed good ol Canadian boys who realize what it means to wear the blue and white.

          • mojo19 says:

            Damn… you’re right. I was at the Jay’s game yesterday during all the signings so I missed a lot, some buddies would read out a bunch of signings in a row every once in a while so I forgot a lot of them..

            Also I caught a ball and gave it to a kid #Hero

          • TimTheBone says:

            Ottawa has a lot of big tough guys in the minors as well… I’m short on names but I know there is lessard…. He’s s big mean fighter… Nothing more but its still some sandpaper… There’s more too I know there is

            • nordiques100 says:

              Well hopefully they replace Carkner. they’ll miss him, Konopka and Foligno for their character and grit.

              But there’s confidence in Murray to recognize this and react accordingly.

              Burke? I doubt it. He let Ott pass through without anything. Shame on him.

              • TimTheBone says:

                They have cowen that replaces carkner… May not be the same fighter but he’s definitely a big mean defenseman and is much more skilled…

                Also the additions of methot and lundin (if he stays healthy)… Really make up.for the loses of carkner and kuba…. Foligno won’t be missed… Latendresse will cover his loss easily

                • nordiques100 says:

                  This is of course if Latendresse doesn’t throw out his back putting his jersey on.

                  He has to prove he can play before “easily” replacing Foligno.

                  Its the toughness they’ll miss. Foligno, Carkner, Konopka were real tough players.

                  Latendresse is a soft teddy-bear. He needs to learn how to hit people without getting hurt himself. A tough chore for him no doubt.

                  • TimTheBone says:

                    Let’s remember were talking about Nick not Marcus… Hahaha.. Nick isn’t the toughest cat on the street… Sure he isn’t a little pussycat either but where his points count.. latendressr has it covered.. if hes healthy ofcourse..

                    I really don’t think theyll miss the toughness much… cowen is plenty tough to cover carkner… Methot isn’t easy to play against…

                    • TimTheBone says:

                      Also with Mark stone coming up he’ll create some more sandpaper… Big strong tough guy standing in front of the net

  8. Gambo says:

    Random, but I want to see Frattin play with Grabovski and Kulemin next year. Grabovski likes to carry the puck while both Frattin and Kulemin have quick and hard shots. Kulemin is great on the boards and Frattin uses his size really well. They played pretty nice together for the few times they were together. I think Frattin had 2 goals and an assist his first game with them.

    It won’t happen, but I think it would work well.

    • ZillyHoo says:

      Frattin filled in for MacArthur when he was out during the season, at the beginning because of a suspension or injury I think.

      • mojo19 says:

        Frattin is a hard worker and hard to knock off the puck. It would be cool if he could be like another Kulemin.

        To me though, when we’re ready to compete, I could see Kulemin and Frattin being eventual fits on our 3rd line, or “shut down” line. Put a Mike Peca-type centre between them, or a grizzled veteran, and there you go.

  9. Gambo says:

    Oh I found the solution to get a 1st line center.

    With Grabo being 2nd line center, McClement I guess being the 3rd line center and Steckel being the 4th line center, that leaves them with Bozak, Lombardi, Connolly, Colborne and Kadri as the remainder.

    All they need to do is morph those remaining centers together.

    Get the speed of Lombardi, the size of Colborne, the hockey IQ of Connolly, the faceoff ability of Bozak and finally, the “nifty mittens” of Kadri. Burke was right, the solution is internal.

  10. nordiques100 says:

    Sadly even the Jets now have a somewhat no. 1 centre in Olli Jokinen.

    They at least have some depth, with Antropov, Burmistrov and Little also all capable of playing centre.

    Winnipeg, yet another team with some size that will prove to be difficult to play against for the tiny Leafs.

    • mojo19 says:

      Yep, the Jet’s brought in Jokinen and Poni. Nice moves, gives them a little more depth up front, and a couple guys very capable of scoring 20 goals. You can pretty much pencil Jokinen in for 20-25, Poni is a bit more of a stretch because its been a couple years since his last big season, but maybe re-uniting him with Antropov will be a good spark for him.

      I don’t think Poni can get back to 50-60 point form but he could be a dependable 20/20 guy, and as always a solid up and down his wing, reliable defensively, etc. type of winger.

      • nordiques100 says:

        you go into winnipeg and there’s 6’3 Jokinen, 6’6 Antropov, 6’4 Ponikarovsky, 6’5 Wheeler, 6’2 Evander Kane, 6’2 Andrew Ladd, plus Dustin Byfuglien. Thats a ton of beef for the mini-Leafs to feebly attempt to contain.

        • mojo19 says:

          You’re 100% right. Sorry JVR and McLement is not enough. We should look into signing or trading for at least 2 more forwards and push two of our interchangeable guys out (i.e. Lombo, Connolly)

          • nordiques100 says:

            We’re in on getting Daniel Winnik. That should put the fear of God into the Eastern Conference.

            • mojo19 says:

              Would you say Burke is “In it to Winnik” ?

              Ya Winnik posted 23 points last year as a 3rd/4th liner he is exactly what Burke would sign. I’m losing the last of patience here.

              • nordiques100 says:

                but you know Mojo, the Fan 590 callers will harp on your negativity since Winnik is a Toronto native thus that signing, should it happen, should negate any ill-will towards Burke as he’s acquired Ontario players. He’s God once again.

                • mojo19 says:

                  Haha. I actually like the idea of bringing in Ontario boys, but please, no more McClements….

                  Don’t you think Burke should make a 4 or 5 year pitch for veteran Shane Doan, and land this guy? He could be like what Roberts was for us. Look at how well Doan played in these playoffs, this is a guy who still has lots of good hockey left in him and he plays with heart, grit, everything.

                  • nordiques100 says:

                    I love to get Doan. He’s a warrior of all warriors.

                    But Burke doesn’t want to take the risk being bit in the ass like he said yesterday.

                    I think the million bites he got dolling out millions to Connolly, Beauchemin, Komisarek, Armstrong and Lebda was enough for him.

                    • mojo19 says:

                      Ya but everyone could see that coming. I disliked all those signings except for Beauchemin, which I was wrong about. I actually like Lebda too because he was cheap, wrong again, haha.

                      Ya Burke has really made poor signings, so might as well stop trying so he doesn’t screw up anymore…. Wow, think about that for a second. Sounds like a terrible guy to be an NHL GM when you put it that way.

  11. mojo19 says:

    Burke should make a legitimate pitch to Shane Doan and offer him some real money. And Jason Arnott would be a great veteran to have on the bench. And he played a lot of wing with the Blues this year so you can pretty much put him anywhere.

    Side note, I like the Islanders’ signing of Brad Boyes for $1 million, 1 year. That’s a nice low risk signing, and if he can pick it up a bit next year and put up 15-20 goals, maybe around 40 points, that’s solid value.

    • nordiques100 says:

      Boyes is bargain of the year. he’s playing with Moulson and Tavares likely. He should get a ton of points.

      Ironically an All-Ontario top line. Geeze I wish some other team wearing blue would have such good fortune.

    • Gambo says:

      They have 12m in cap space(with Komisarek,Lombardi and Connolly), save maybe 5m for Franson and Kulemin. That leaves them with 7m. Burke said he hates long term contracts, if they offer Doan 12m for 2 years, I don’t think he can turn that down and he is the exact player that they need.

  12. TimTheBone says:

    I really like detroits signings of tootoo and samuelsson

    • mojo19 says:

      As do I. Tootoo is a real character guy, and Samuelsson is a great veteran. He plays a great down low game and has a heavy wrister.

    • nordiques100 says:

      don’t forget the Monster too. He should do a lot better there.

      • mojo19 says:

        Ya, and obviously Howard is a solid starter, he’s their guy there, so Monster will only have to play probably in the 20 game range, and have a solid team in front of him, he’ll be fine.

        I don’t think anyone ever questioned whether Gustavsson was an NHL calibre goalie, but he’s not good fit as a #1 who you have to depend on.

        • nordiques100 says:

          He’s not a good fit in toronto because he’s a goalie, not a blocker.

          I think Allaire would have rather seen Keith Aulie strap the pads on and hope for the best.

          • mojo19 says:

            I kind of don’t like the Aulie for Ashton signing anymore, in light of the Schenn trade, and remembering how well Aulie gelled with Phaneuf as the top pair two seasons ago, when the Leafs finished in 10th (our most successful season under Burke.)

  13. nordiques100 says:

    I’m curious to see what Leaf Nation will do if the Leafs succumb to the price Mike Gillis is asking for Luongo:

    A 1st round pick
    A top prospect
    A young roster player

    What if its:

    2013 1st
    Nazem Kadri
    Cody Franson

    I think there would be no Leaf Nation if that happened because either

    a) someone will go postal and destroy any and all Leaf fans
    b) we’d all disband and move on to cheer for another team
    c) we’d be too busy collecting money and signing petitions to bring a real hockey team to Toronto.

  14. TimTheBone says:

    I really think the north east is wide open…. There’s a lot of question marks…

    Ottawa had a fantastic season and with a few key changes they may surprise even more this season…..

    Buffalo is a big ?… Lots of changes and if miller stands on his head who knows how far they could go…

    Montreal is a wild card given the few changes that make them harder to play against… If they stay healthy for most of the season and fix the powerplay under the new coach it could very well mean playoffs….

    Boston is a big wild card to me based purely off the fact that rask has the reigns for the whole season… He has played very well every chance given but for some reason I get the idea like the wheels could come off on this team…. And they may struggle for periods making them not a lock for division winners.. just my feeling..

    Toronto last year showed signs that they were playoff bound… And before the precipitous fall, they showed they could win…. Maybe they aren’t the biggest wild card but its not out of the realm…. Sorry leaf fans but the leafs may be the most likely team to predict based on the rest of the division…

    So again I feel like it could be wide open in the north east

    • mojo19 says:

      It’s stil Boston’s division to lose as far as I’m concerned. After that I like Buffalo, but you’re right, it’s wide open. I underestimated Ottawa, and I think last year was a bit of fluke. I don’t like what they’ve done so far, and I don’t think Karlsson will repeat what he did last year, and I don’t think Spezza will be a top 5 scorer in the league again next year.

      Montreal has made some very nice moves, but they need a lot of their guys to step up if they’re done making moves. Toronto will finish in last unless Carlyle can get the boys to buy into a defensive system, then maybe we’ll surprise and finish up in the 10th place range in the East, at best.

      • TimTheBone says:

        Well my hard predictions are as follows…

        Bostons to lose for sure … (But they really could lose)

        I like Ottawa in second….I have to disagree with everything youbsaid if them except the spezza thing… He only falls outta the top five because of guys like crosby having full seasons…

        Then I truly believe its a wash between Montreal and buffalo… They will be fighting for the third spot in the division…

        Toronto in last….

        I honestly can’t choose between. Montreal and buffalo….. It may be fan blinders but i just feel like its a whole new team this year… New life

    • reinjosh says:

      I really like what Bergevin’s done so far. It hasn’t been amazing but it’s been solid. It’s a solid team going forward. Price didn’t get too much. He’s a core piece and Bergevin realized that. Good on him.

      Boston is Boston. Ottawa, I can’t say much for. I didn’t think they would do so well last year so clearly I can’t judge them that well. Spezza and Heatley have to be on the ball again. They didn’t really add enough to improve in my opinion.

      Buffalo is really interesting. If Miller can get back on his game, Buffalo could be back in the running for top of the division. They added size and grit, and it should be a good way to protect their smaller talented players like Ennis and Hodgson. I’m still not sold on the defense (I thin LN91 mentioned this too).

      I still think Toronto can be a playoff team. They definitely need to add some grit and meanness but the roster is talented. Similar to Ottawa though, the same players need to play like they did last year (Lupul/Kessel really). The biggest need is to get consistent goaltending. If they finally get that, they will be an 8th spot team. If not, well they get another top 5 pick.

      • TimTheBone says:

        Spezza and heatley???…

        Whoa josh I think you’re living in 2008 somehow… Hahahaj

      • ZillyHoo says:

        Spezza and Heatley? Spezza and Alfie? Spezza and Karlsson? Spezza and Michalek?

        Anyway, a guy I’d like to get though probably will never happen is Teemu Selanne, I’ve been a fan of his forever and I could see him playing second line with Grabo. I read somewhere that Kulemin Grabo and Selanne were training together over the summer so it might be possible. He’d add some more consistent scoring to a line that didn’t live up to expectations last year.

        Shane Doan is still out there… *wink wink* Come on Burkie, show Leaf Nation you still got some savvy in you.

        Ty Conklin I believe is there for a vet goalie. Ahem. Trevor Gillies… well I don’t think you guys would like him but anyway.

        Jaromir Jagr on the second line? No? Well anyway…

        Steve Sullivan, Jason Arnott, Jamie Langenbrunner

        Alexander Semin.

        Well, these are guys who I think bring more benefits then doubts, I mean if we sign Semin we know what we’re getting and we know we can get rid of him (I think)

      • LN91 says:

        Your on cracks if you think the Leafs have a shot.

        They need to leapfrog a team that made the playoffs, let alone a bunch of teams that improved during the offseason.

        • reinjosh says:

          12 points behind the Sens and Capitals, 14 behind the Panthers.

          Is it too much to think that with half decent goaltending they can win 6 – 8 more games to leapfrog those teams?

          Nope its not.

  15. FrostFactor9 says:

    So this is how i would see it. Need size and skill, veteran goalie to help reimer, but not to play everyday.

    first line – Lupul JVR Kessel

    second line- sign cheechoo from st.louis, see if he can rekindle his form and give him some confidence. kind of what we did with lupul.

    leaves you with – Cheechoo Grabo Kulemin

    third line – simplt – Frattin Bozak Kadri
    can also rotate in colbourne and ashton

    fourth line – Gritty forcheck line
    sign dominic moore back
    leaves you with – Moore Steckel Brown

    on defence

    Phaneuf Gunnarson
    Liles Jardnier
    Franson Holzer/Reilly/blacker

    sign a vetern goalie like ty conklin or marty turco. Not someone to play alot, but someone to help out reimer that will be cheep

    Trade mcaurther, conolly,lombardi and komisarek for as many young assets and draft picks as you can get. If you cant get anything, put them in the minors.

    so this leaves the team

    lupul jvr kessel
    cheechoo grabo kulemin
    frattin bozak kadri
    moore steckle brown

    phaneuf Gunnarson
    Liles Gardiner
    Franson Holzer/Rielly/Blacker

    Reimer and turco/conklin

    What do you think? that team has size, skill, depth and a good young goalie with vetern help

    Could make the playoffs

    • TimTheBone says:

      I gotta say bid cheechoo is not the answer at all… And it doesn’t make the playoffs for you…

      No on cheechoo..

      Turco if available may be a decent option though

      • FrostFactor9 says:

        I honestly don’t see why it wouldnt. I know cheechoo is a longshot, but he scored over 50 goals a couple years ago. If by any chance he got it back and kulemin came back to earth, then we would have 2 good scoring lines, a good young skilled line and a hard working forchecking line. The defence is set, hence why we were able to trade schenn. yes things would have to go well, but as long as our goalie can stop a puck this year we should be ok to make the playoffs. if cheechoo didnt pan out, then you can always bump up frattin and throw in colbourne or ashton on the 3rd line. It wouldn’t cost you much. Better options than doing nothing yet again

        • TimTheBone says:

          Cheechoo scoring 50+ goals was an aberration…. And he was playing with Joe Thornton… Grabovski, while still a good center, is no where near jumbo Joe….

          Cheechoo is a waste of cap space more so than a buy-out…

    • mojo19 says:

      No, Cheechoo is nothing. There are way better gambles out there.

      • FrostFactor9 says:

        ok so then if you dont like him, sign shane doan and throw him there. Still works. An offensive player who is an obvious leader. would work well for us

        • FrostFactor9 says:

          and just saying, off topic..but listening to all the media talk about suter, parise and all these free agents. I havent heard 1 thing about semin. I know he really is not a good defensive player, but he is still a really good offensive player to be getting no attention at all

          • mojo19 says:

            I don’t even think he’s all that bad defensively. He actually can kill penalties, but he wasn’t being used that way at all, obviously they have good role players to do that, but point still stands. Semin gets a bad rep.

            • TimTheBone says:

              It’s because he isn’t a team guy… He’s apparently just not a team player…no heart

              • mojo19 says:

                Ya, but he was “not a team guy in Washington”. His agent, who would obviously do his best to sell Semin, did a great job to sell him to me when he was on the radio. He said that Alex has this reputation of being a selfish guy, but really he just felt like he didn’t get along with the coaches in Washington and a few guys on the team, and so it wasn’t a good fit for him. That’s why his last two contracts he signed just 1 year deals, he’s ready to move on, and he also said that he’s hoping to go to a situation where he can be leaned on to play in all situations.

                I could be naive here about Semin, but I think on a new team, if he can gel with the group he could be a high end impact player.

                • reinjosh says:

                  I would love Semin. I’ve always liked him. He’s an elite talent and he definitely gets a bad rep. He doesn’t even really disapear in the playoffs either.

    • Gambo says:

      I agree with everyone else, Cheechoo doesn’t have it in him to even play in the NHL anymore. Now way in hell would I sign him and play him in the top 6.

      It is going to be difficult to trade Lombardi/Connolly/Komisarek for anybody, let alone young assets. Putting them in the minors will hinder the organization’s ability to ever sign a free agent again.

      And when you said that team has size, well they don’t, at all.

      Though I don’t mind getting Turco or Conklin. I think Reimer will be able to play well consistently and all he needs is a veteran backup who can guide him.

      • mojo19 says:

        It’s been a couple years since Turco or Conklin have played decent NHL hockey. Did you know that last year, with a healthy Conklin the Red Wings actually called up Joey MacDonald to play when Howard was hurt, and he played over Conklin. Similar to when the Sabres by-passed Lalime to bring up Enroth a couple years ago. These guys are just bench warmers now, not legitimate goalies you can rely on.

  16. mojo19 says:

    Cody Franson has requested a trade. Doesn’t like that he didn’t play a lot last year, doesn’t like the situation with the team, and he wants out. Being and RFA there’s no saying “too bad, play out your contract.” So we pretty much have to deal him.

    But hey at least we’re stuck with Lombardi…

  17. mojo19 says:

    Haha, Murray announces that Ottawa is no longer pursuing Nash because Rick has let it be known that he would not waive his NTC for Ottawa. Sweet, I love Rick Nash.

  18. mojo19 says:

    Jay McClement is a -77 since the lockout, 2nd worst in the NHL. Burke called him “a guy you can put out protecting a lead with the game on the line.” Well he’s been on for a lot of goals against, but okay…

    • LN91 says:

      I actually liked him in St.Louis…What did you want from this ufa class???

      Hudler? Jokinen? Garrison? Toronto is so cap strapped this offseason that they couldn’t even make an attempt for them

      • mojo19 says:

        Not McClement though. This is another journeyman, he’ll be no more useful than Armstrong, except that he’ll probably stay healthy.

        Might as well leave the roster spot open for the Colborne, Kadri, D’Amigo, Komorov, possibly McKegg to fight over at camp? McClement isn’t exactly a great leader. I would have liked to see them pay a bit of money for Jason Arnott instead. Let’s put it this way, if you’re, let’s say Matt Frattin, and say you go into a funk next season at some point, and you look down the bench and there’s Jason Arnott and he maybe calls you out, or gives you some advice, or motivates the team in other ways, that’s great. You need solid veterans for young players to learn from. Now imagine Frattin is struggling and he looks down the bench and there’s McClement and he’s kind of struggling too, so he has no answers because he’s trying to figure out his game. No good.

        Kids or quality veterans, no more journeymen, we’re resembling an expansion team here.

      • TimTheBone says:

        Don’t get excited over next years UFAs either LN91… At this point I’m sure most get contract extensions.. well the perrys and getzlafs will anyway… The only thing that could be nice is if those two guys want out of the anaheim situation… It could happen but I’m not expecting it

  19. LN91 says:

    Only guys left Burke should/can afford to go for is Langenbrunner (veteran experience…please), Taylor Pyatt, Winnik, and Shane Down.

    • mojo19 says:

      And Arnott, possibly Peter Mueller.

      • mojo19 says:

        I also wouldn’t mind signing 39 year old Holmstrom to a 1-year deal. Teach these kids what it takes to win. Holmstrom would immediately go onto our PP and stand in front so that goalies can’t see that bomb of Phaneuf’s, or Kessel’s snipes.

  20. jrlakersfan says:

    So can someone help with this. I have looked at center options through trade and without having to give away the farm these are a few that I would consider going after. Please comment to see if these pieces could be a stop gap until we draft size down the middle.Stastny, filpula, horcoff,loktinov Plus we have colburne coming up and grabo is a good 2nd C

  21. dumbassdoorman says:

    Where did you read Franson wants out?

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