Avs will move move Stasney

It is nowrumored that the Avalanche will not trade Stasney. Also, the Wings were in on Edler.


126 Responses to Avs will move move Stasney

  1. leafs_wallace93 says:

    I hate Stasney rumors, I’ve always hated Stasney rumors.

    • mojo19 says:

      The title of this article is “Avs will move move Stastny” then the follow up line says “the Avalanche will not trade Stastny…”

      Whatever…

  2. DannyLeafs says:

    You would think at some point Colorado has to deal a center. Not that having center depth is bad but at some point you would think given they have 4 guys who figure to be #1 or #2 centers, and none of them would be ideal wingers (well MacKinnon’s game translates, but a high end talent like that likely won’t get moved to the wing if he is just as good down the middle).

    Stastny is an obvious choice to be moved, but seeing as both O’Reilly and Duchenes contracts are up at the end of next season, and it looks as if both would require 5+ million a year to sign on long term deals, would they make that type of committment to those two guys given MacKinnon could require a big contract a few years later.

    Also, I know we are all sick of Statsny rumours, but what is he worth at this time. He is now played 3 full seasons of disappointing hockey given his contract size, and has one year left on a big contract. He isn’t a guy many GM’s would sign to an extension as part of the deal without seeing what kind of player he will be for them, and with the number of mediocre centers available for less than 6.6 million and the cap coming down, what would the market be for him.

    Could be interesting. I think Colorado should move him before then start of the season for a second or mediocre prospect to at least get something for him. He might be worth more at the deadline (not much more though), you would think they would rather make a roster spot now and let Roy have a bit more flexability to put together lines he is going to build the team around.

  3. LN91 says:

    I would take MacKinnon No.1 overall, but I feel like Seth Jones will be the best player in this draft. I feel like his position dropped him a few spots.

    Never seen a D-Men his size move as well as he does, he might be better then Pronger (who was not as quick). Nashville must be ecstatic.

    Anyways, I know most people point to the ‘Memorial Cup’ but the Mooseheads were stacked as opposed to the Portland Winterhawks…Who was not even supposed to win the WHL.

    I still remember watching Canada vs. USA in the World Jrs. when Seth Jones and McCabe basically ran over Canada.

    Speaking of McNabb? Move over Toronto, we finally found a team with more prospects then you on defence.

    Defencemen u-25 in Buffalo:

    – Jamie McBain
    – Tyler Myers
    – Mark Pysyk
    – Jake McCabe
    – Nikita Zadorov
    – Rasmus Ristolainen
    – Brayden McNabb

    • toronto77 says:

      I can see Colorado passing on Jones for MacKinnon, and Florida with Gudbranson I can see them passing on Jones as well, But Tampa??? I know a top line combo of Stamkos and Drouin is deadly but the Lightning probably have the biggest hole on defense in the entire league next to edmonton, and their goaltending isn’t going to back them either, I do not understand how Tampa could pass up Jones for Drouin.

      Jones could be the next Chara!

      Buffalo is an interesting team, and were smart to pick one draft or two and just go crazy with first round picks.

      In 2 drafts they got Grigorenko, Girgensons, Ristolainen, Zadorov

      That’s amazing!! not to mention McCabe.

      • nordiques100 says:

        They drafted Hedman remember who was “out of this world” in his draft year and look at how average he’s been. It takes a while to develop for defence. The Bolts simply couldnt wait that long…..again.

        With Lecavalier gone, they need instant offence. Drouin will provide that.

      • leafs_wallace93 says:

        I agree, I figured Yzerman feels he needs Drouin to land Seguin. I suppose Yzerman forgot that Lidstrom was more important to Detroit than he was and how badly he needs an anchor on the back end to compliment Stamkos. I mean does Drouin really make Tampa significantly better long term?

        • LN91 says:

          Good point. I could see why Florida passed up on Seth Jones…Barkov could be a franchise, big #1 center and they never had that in franchise history. Also, offence was a greater need last year than defense.

          But Tampa could’ve worked really well with Seth Jones. Hedman has been pretty good, a little above average…But he could breakout soon.

          But imagine a Victor Hedman/Seth Jones pairing in Tampa…Both huge, both mobile, high compete and decent hands. That could be Pronger/Niedermayer right there.

          Drouin keeps up the talent from St. Louis…But Stamkos has the ability to make other players better. You can stick mojo on his wing and he’s probably potting in 10 goals atleast πŸ˜‰ Not to mention they still have prospects like Connolly and Namestikov. Highly skilled players.

        • mojo19 says:

          Yzerman was more important to that team than anyone. He taught Lidstrom to be Lidstrom. He taught Dats and Zetts their training habits, and how to be a true professional and a champion. His legace continues to live on in Detroit through them.

  4. mojo19 says:

    J.V.R. – Kadri – Kessel
    Lupul – Grabo – ?????
    ????? – Bolland – Kulemin
    ????? – McClement – Orr

    Could grab as many as 3 new additions, I figure.

    Could re-sign McLaren, could insert Colborne and move McClement to the wing, could fill a spot with a kid (Biggs, McKegg, Ashton, etc.)

    Either way, I expect Nonis to bring in 1 more new forward via trade or free agency, if not two.

    • nordiques100 says:

      The key thing to watch is whether or not they buy out Grabovski by July 5th. If they do, that tells me they are going to take a healthy run at a centre.

      I am still holding out hope for Vinny. If it means 4 years 20 mil, so be it.

      That 5 mil is what Grabo would have gotten anyhow. So that wouldn’t impede on any Dion/Kessel extensions.

      They’d still, with a Komi buyout, still have alot of room left for Franson, Kadri and Gunnarsson to re-sign this year, and Gardiner, Reimer next year along with their big 2 and perhaps make a couple more acquisitions.

      If they keep Grabo, Clarkson or Horton will be targets I am thinking.

      Mason Raymond and Victor Stalberg are also a couple of other targets I am guessing. Nonis knows Raymond from the days in Van and he is the kind of blazing speedster that would fit in nicely.

      Stalberg is a former leaf and also has great speed.

      McLaren will definitely be brought back. I would assume too Ryan Hamilton will return as well.

      It would not be a shock to see any one of the kids make the team too and the Leafs having openings right up through camp to see if any one of them can deliver.

      • LN91 says:

        Like I said, look at the Blackhawks third-line from their first cup:

        Ladd-Bolland-Versteeg

        With the guys the Leafs have, I would go with:

        Kulemin-Bolland-D’Amigo

        If there was one call up from the Marlies, it would be him. He’s been the Marlies best defensive player (on a good PP and good defensive squad) and has been one of their better offensive players, especially in the playoffs.

        He has great compete, defensive awareness, and skill…Also, knows how to win. I think Carlyle would really like him.

      • mojo19 says:

        I wonder if Hamilton will wind up in Edmonton, due to Eakins.

    • blaze says:

      I like it. Sign Clarkson and re-sign MacArthur if he will take something reasonable.

      Lupul(A) – Kadri – Kessel
      JVR – Grabovski – Clarkson(A)
      MacArthur – Bolland – Kulemin
      McClement – Colborne – Orr/McLaren

      With Frattin gone now I’m not opposed to re-signing Mac if there’s something short term that could work. I like his versatility up and down the line up. Would he take 2 years?

      Clarkson’s production might not warrant a top 6 spot so MacArthurs a good depth guy.

  5. blaze says:

    I know this post won’t be popular but I got forwards above may as well throw some thoughts out on D.

    Overall I’m very unimpressed with the free agent D available, many who will be overpaid significantly.

    I’d throw a reasonable offer at Scuderi and that’s pretty much it. Not going to guess what it would take but I really don’t see him signing in Toronto.

    I’d come back with essentially the same D-core.

    Gunnarson – Phaneuf
    Gardiner – Franson
    Liles – Fraser/O’Byrne
    Blacker – Percy

    I actually like the look of that D going into next season. Phaneuf gets to play the right side next year and gets a healthy Gunnarson looking to rebound all season.

    The second pairing is the key. The common theme around here is Phaneuf should play less so they need a veteran FA. To me it looks like the answer is already there.

    Franson and Gardiner are ready for a top 4 role. If they can handle 20+ minutes a night that will go along way towards easing the load on the top pair. Considering Gardiner only played 12 regular season games last season that’s like signing your top 4 dman right there.

    I thought Liles was ok in the playoffs so I wouldn’t mind him being the veteran puck mover option. See if he can regain some value which I think he can. Tradeable next off-season.

    Fraser was a warrior all year. Small short term re-sign.

    O’Byrne is UFA so can’t say he’ll stay but I’d throw him a small money 2 year contract if he’d be interested too. An NHL caliber Dman who is a big strong PK option. Would be good to have signed cheap.

    Reilly gets a look at camp but ends up getting the WHL + WJ + AHL treatment next season.

    Blacker and Percy are your potential Marlies call ups, perhaps even beating a guy like Liles for his spot in camp.

    I would like a veteran D strong on the PK but with Bolland and McClement the PK should still be effective.

    The D core improves from within and stays cheap and flexible for the future.

    • nordiques100 says:

      The D isnt going to improve from within. They need outside help.

      Gardiner was so Jekyl and Hyde last year. He was so awesome in the playoffs, but really looked terrible in the regular season.

      Phaneuf was all over the map. He played the left side to start, ended up on the right side where he was exposed in the playoffs on his backhand. He played with pretty much everyone on D, Kostka, Holzer, Gunnarsson, Gardiner, Liles, Franson. None are really either good enough or ready to be top pairing Dmen.

      Adding a partner for him makes the most sense. The depth was tested and failed in the 1st round. Any injuries and the Leafs would be in big trouble.

      They need a top 3 Dman plain and simple to move forward

      • blaze says:

        I’d be on board with a trade for a young to mid aged top 4 dman. I just really dont think there is anything in UFA worthwhile or likely.

        I think Gunnar-Phaneuf and Gardiner-Franson could be a solid top 4. I think Gardiner is espcially ready for 20+ minutes in tougher situations.

      • blaze says:

        And really I don’t think they failed. They lost Fraser to a hole in his head, who even though he was being exposed left a hole in the PK.

        People can say whatever about how they never played the real Boston, which may or may not be true but they played with more desperation and as a team. More so the Rangers or Pittsburgh and they found success for it.

        Gunnarson looked hesitant, Phaneuf logged a big workload.

        Gardiner had a few bad plays early but otherwise played excellent. Franson played great when finally given a bigger role.

        I think it’s more that we seen the Gardiner we all expected and the Franson we all hoped for at the time of the trade, which is why it doesn’t feel like a fluke.

        Gardiner took time to rebound from a concussion and new system that wasn’t ideal for his game but when he did come around looked fantastic I think it’s more or less safe to say he’s top 4 going forward.

    • realistic_leafs_fan says:

      Although I agree with the sentiment of not grossly overpaying UFA D-men and also that our D would not be horrible if it stayed status-quo, it would also not be “cheap” at around $19+ mil most likely. Not bad, but not cheap considering that Fraser and Gardiner are both under $1.1 mil each I figure.

      We have been trading and spending to vastly improve the forward group…Kessel, Lupul, JVR and now Bolland. we have traded to improve our goalie tandem in Bernier.

      We have improved the D with the additions of Phaneuf, Franson, Gardiner and even Liles, Fraser, O’Byrne, but to me, that just says how bad it used to be.

      Personally, I would like to see us make a splash on D as well. I am not convinced that our current D makes us legitimate playoff contenders. I think with a couple more moves we become legitimate playoff contenders and would not be far off a cup contender. The D would be part of those moves to move forward in that direction. IMO

      I hope Nonis addresses it over status-quo, but that’s me.

      • leafs_wallace93 says:

        We spent every off season neglecting our forwards and doing the UFA blueliner thing… McCabe’s extension, Kubina, Beachemin, Komisarek, Finger… when did that ever end well?

        Keeping Phaneuf would be the most competitive short term move, trading him for someone like Schultz that’s young and can fit into our top four would be the best long term move. I’d be happy with either.

        Also has Letang been finalized, Ek said it’s being held up.

        • realistic_leafs_fan says:

          I’m not suggesting just UFA Wallace. We need to improve our D whatever way we can, but be wise about cost.
          We did neglect the forward group for years, lately we have gone for big talent up front(which I like) and went for mostly filler on the backend save Phaneuf. Gardiner and Franson were hopeful projects and Liles was meant for the 3-4 position(hasn’t worked out though in Liles case).
          When I say “splash”, I mean likely by trade.

          • nordiques100 says:

            It can’t be improbable to upgrade on Fraser/Liles/Gunnarsson as top 4 options.

            I think there is huge issues with replacing Dion, especially from within as they don’t have anyone.

            And financially, and perhaps even asset wise, it could be significant there too to replace Dion.

            If they just get him a bit of help, that makes sense and is realistic, and is a need they need to fill.

    • leafs_wallace93 says:

      One of the reasons that Phaneuf trade the reality that UFA defensmen are universally over paid. I’d be hard press to name a blueliner that hit the open market and returned value for their bloated contract. So Dion being traded for an RFA type defenseman would be a great fit in Toronto where we tar and feather any blueline that is paid either fair value or more.

      I don’t want a UFA blueliner, it never ends well in Toronto, Dion game isn’t an issue so much as he’s a pending UFA this season.

      • realistic_leafs_fan says:

        Makes me wonder with the addition of Bolland, who is not big, but plays bigger than his size and the drafting of Gauthier, along with the development of Colborne…is Kadri being made available?

        if the Leafs sign Lecavalier…they have Vinnie, Grabo, Bolland, Kadri, Colborne, McClement, Gauthier.
        Bolland has some talent and is only 27, Colborne has showed he can play, Vinnie is, well, Vinnie, McClement is a good 3rd/4th line guy…then there is still Gauthier.
        Maybe Nonis plans on turning Kadri into another needed piece should he be able to sign Vinnie.

        Could Kadri and Grabo go in a …”I(Nonis) will take the guy I want plus that contract(poor one) you(other GM) and give you Kadri if you take Grabo as well” kind of trade.

  6. doorman says:

    If the Leafs sign Vinnie and i think they would like to but I feel he will go elsewhere. You will see large movement from Nonis, IMO. Through buyouts and trades, as Signing Vinnie and the IMO, no brainer re-signing of Bolland who is a hometown guy, says we are moving to compete now mode. I think this will be a very interesting week from the Leafs, Nonis has set himself up fairly well. This is the first offseason I have been truly excited about in a long time.

    • realistic_leafs_fan says:

      Agreed Doorman, although I hope you are wrong on Vinnie. Bolland has one year left on his current contract, so no need to look to re-sign until we say how he is going with the new team. If we sign Vinnie, I could see Kadri getting moved though.
      Lecavalier
      Bolland
      Colborne
      McClement…is not bad. Add Gauthier down the road and who knows how well Colborne can develop.
      Take Kadri and Grabo
      we take Kessler and Ballard
      Or
      Bieksa and Booth
      Laich/Schultz
      Laich/Ward
      Coburn/Mezaros

      Not saying do those trades, but I could see something like that happening.

    • nordiques100 says:

      They can’t buyout players after July 4th. They’d have to wait until next summer to use their other compliance buyout or both should they not buyout anyone this year.

      • realistic_leafs_fan says:

        That’s one of the reasons that this will be very interesting. Can’t make a play on Vinnie until after buy-outs are decided. Komi is going to be one as far as I know…but the other, that is the interesting decision. Liles? Grabo? No one?

        • nordiques100 says:

          If they buyout Grabo by Thurs, i figure there will be a big UFA signing.

          otherwise, they’ll either make Bozak agree to 3.5 mil per, and add a few depth guys (Raymond, Stalberg, a dman) or do little and use the money to re-sign their own guys.

          They’re going to make sure they have the dough and room to pay Dion/Phil.

          • LN91 says:

            Phil? Dion? It’s still not a ‘foregone conclusion’ that either player is staying. Especially Phaneuf.

            Nonis looks to make bold statements, and since he has no attachment to most of the guys on the roster…I would not say he is safe.

            • nordiques100 says:

              Its all about the benjamims.

              if Dion accepts making the same dough at no more than 5 more years, he stays.

              if Phil accepts making 7 mil and no more per season at no more than 5 years, he stays too.

          • realistic_leafs_fan says:

            I’m not sure they are sold on Dion, but if Phil continues to show improvement in the compete level…he is a no brainer to keep if you can get him in around $7mil or less.

  7. mojo19 says:

    Pretty pumped about the next couple days.

    38 yr old Hal Gill waived today to give a spot to Seth Jones. I would bring Gill back, 1 yr $2 mil, to replace Fraser.

    Jeff Schultz waved today to be bought out by Washington. Cap casualty. Big 6’6″ former first round pick, 27 yr old. Interesting UFA at the right price, more to come. Well see who else gets bought out.

  8. mojo19 says:

    If Bozak signs an 8-yr deal in Toronto…. Go Red Wings. I hate that fat little fuck.

    • nordiques100 says:

      I’d only b ok with that if it were 3.5 mil per.

      anything remotely close to 5 mil per is ridic no matter the term.

      I am still personally holding out for 1) Vinny 2) a joint signing of Weiss/Horton or c) trading for RNH.

      • LN91 says:

        8 years for a third-liner?

        • Just got out of the hospital after a long weekend – trying to catch up on this site. I expected more discussions!

          I hear 8 years but less than 5 million per year.

        • nordiques100 says:

          its all about the benjamins again.

          5 million+ at 2 years or much less term than 8 is far worse.

          • realistic_leafs_fan says:

            If it is around 4 years $12-$14 mil, fine if there is no other choice. If they are going after Vinnie, then let Tyler walk. The fact that they are still discussing contract with him leads me to believe
            A) They are not pursuing Vinnie or any other centre and Bolland was the only up-grade at centre
            OR
            B)They are pursuing Vinnie and trading one of, or some combination of Grabo, Kadri, Colborne.

            • nordiques100 says:

              The dollars he wants makes no sense for the Leafs.

              For Vinny though, 5 x 5 mil per is ok with me and should be ok with the leafs.

              I don’t think Nonis is quite done yet. And after two solid moves for Bernier/Bolland, i don’t think he’ll get dumb overnight with Bozak.

  9. leafs_wallace93 says:

    Bozak’s agent is looking at the Zajac contract as a comparable, centers get over valued, the draft was another example of centers being the new hot commodity. Bozak ask for 8 years is great, it takes the pressure off Nonis. Bozak is pricing himself out of Toronto and making the decision easy.

    Not to mention Bozak will get overpaid somewhere else and hurt an opposing team. Bozak contributed a lot for a college signings will have fond memories of him as a Leaf. Happy trails Tyler.

    • realistic_leafs_fan says:

      I am all for just letting him walk as I have said all along. To me, Bolland trade says they are no longer interested in Bozak. Can’t understand why they would continue talks unless it’s what I mentioned above and option A) seems unlikely.

      • nordiques100 says:

        Bozak and Horton won’t find players they’ve been playing with on their current teams.

        I think its a mistake for both to leave such good situations.

        Horton especially. Who’d be better to play with than Krecji and Lucic?!?

        • leafs_wallace93 says:

          You play with good players to earn a contract. They’ve both accomplished that…

          This board seriously under values that influence of money, they’re not all pure hearts fans that just want a cup ring.

          • realistic_leafs_fan says:

            Good point Wallace.

          • nordiques100 says:

            I personally don’t think Horton would get that much more than what he got in Boston or even much more than what Boston’s been offering him to stay.

            I can only assume there is some other underlining reason for wanting to leave other than a few extra dollars.

            maybe he wants to play centre again. maybe he wasnt too happy there with some teammates, perhaps with Julien and his style.

            maybe he didnt like the treatment he got for his injuries. its hard to say because it looked like a good situation on the surface for him in Boston, a cup win, lots of points and success, good money.

  10. nordiques100 says:

    The Leafs have 12 players signed for 44.3 million.

    Kessel, Grabovski, McClement, Orr, Kulemin, JVR, Lupul, Bolland up front

    Dion, Liles, Gardiner on D

    Reimer in goal.

    Lets say they re-sign their RFAs like so:

    Kadri – 2 years 2.5 million per. (similar to the prove it to me contract a la Subban)
    Franson – 3 years 3 mil per.
    Gunnarsson – 3 years 2.5 mil per
    Fraser – 2 years 900K per
    McLaren – 2 years 725K per
    Colborne – 1 year 1 mil per
    Bernier – 2 years 2.25 mil per

    That adds 13 mil to the payroll putting the Leafs from 44.3 to 57.5 mil in cap. they’d be 6 million under with about 4 roster spots remaining.

    Since that was just a guestimate, you could go as far and say to re-sign their RFAs, it could take anywhere from 12-15 million to re-sign all their players. That really doesn’t leave a lot left over considering they still wouldn’t have a full roster.

    I think a couple spots will go to younger players like Ashton and Holzer. Perhaps Ryan Hamilton will be brought back. Biggs, Reilly have a good shot too. Leivo, Blacker, D’Amigo are in the mix. They will like last camp leave spots open I think for a young player or two to take.

    With that being said, to me, to go after a big name guy, a Horton, a Weiss, a Lecavalier, a Clarkson, I have to believe Grabovski has to go. That’s the contract that’s killing them.

    Liles deal isn’t great either, especially considering he may end up being the 7th Dman like Komisarek has been.

    If that combined 9.3 mil from Grabo and Liles could make its way out of town, the Leafs could be real players in terms of UFA and trade for perhaps a RFA.

    Otherwise its more likely 2nd or 3rd tier free agents like Stalberg up front or Ference on D would be the targets Toronto could only go after. Not that there are big names out there to begin with, but, Lecavalier would be a really nice addition and I think it’s important for this group to be given the message the organization wants to take the next step. Getting Vinny is a sure sign of wanting to be better right now.

    • realistic_leafs_fan says:

      I think your RFA prices are pretty fair Nords, although I expect Bernier and Kadri are looking for more and Gunnar may take a bit less, but all in all, fair.
      I agree on Liles and grabo have to go if they are after guys like Vinnie and D-men as I have said this as well.
      This is also why I feel Dion may be dealt. If they can pick up 2 players for the price of Dion…say a D and a winger, they have to consider it.IMO

      • leafs_wallace93 says:

        Bernier has what 53 career starts? Maximum he’s gets 1.75 unless he gets offer sheet.

        • realistic_leafs_fan says:

          I think Nords may be right on the money, but he is asking for more, no doubt.
          I know he wanted out of LA, but if they could have forced him to take $1.75 per, they might not have traded him. He is looking for $3+ per. IMO. I think it falls somewhere around $2.25-$3 that he signs.

          • leafs_wallace93 says:

            Ok, friendly bet, I say he signs between 1-1.75 on a one or two year deal.

            Bragging rights for the winner

            • realistic_leafs_fan says:

              LOL. Good stuff. You’re on.
              I say 2 years @ $2.25-$3.

              Reimer is at $1.8 and I think Bernier gets more than Reimer. If Reimer keeps his starting role, he will get between $3 and $4 mil per next season. If Bernier takes his spot, Reimer will get about what he gets now.

  11. LN91 says:

    Rumor has it the Leafs are openly shopping Grabovski…Trying to deal him.

    • realistic_leafs_fan says:

      No brainer really. I like the guy, but he priced himself out of usefulness.

      • realistic_leafs_fan says:

        I keep coming back to 4 teams for Grabo…the same 4 everytime…when I consider needs, cap space, if they have anything we might take back etc

        1)Dallas
        2)NYI
        3)Tampa
        4)Caps

        fringe are Jets and Coyotes

        • nordiques100 says:

          Grabo actually has a NTC. That sort of takes a few options away.

          Since he’s making 5.5 mil. I think there will be hardly any suitors….unless the Leafs are willing to pay half the salary.

          If I am Toronto then, I’m buying him out.

          Or, else, the Leafs take back a close to equal contract.

          There are a lot of teams with similar issues. Calgary has Mike Cammellari, though he only has 1 year left on his deal.

          SJ has Martin Havlat, Van with David Booth, RJ Umberger in Columbus, Martin Erat in Washington, Ville Leino in Buffalo to name a few.

          I really think a buyout is prob their only resolution here.

          I think Liles would go with greater ease in a trade.

  12. nordiques100 says:

    I know he’s slow as f*ck, but Hal Gill is a possibility to bring back. He’s on waivers now.

    He could easily take some PK minutes away from Dion or at least help him with the physical play in front.

    He offers no skill though so him and Fraser back there, that could be questionable. But he’s another option.

    Schultz being bought out, that’s option 2 and of course Ference.

    Still like to see a trade for someone younger who’d be part of the plans long term.

    • Gambo says:

      I agree with Gill, he’s an upgrade over Fraser. Really solid on the PK.

    • leafs_wallace93 says:

      Hal Gill is actually pretty bright.

      The term length cap should make for some ridiculous contracts, already missing those front loaded deals, we’re going to see some ridiculous cap hits and nearly all UFAs getting 6-8 year term because how else will GMs able to be competitive. Kudos on Nonis for getting Lupul on a 5 by 5, I cringe on what he be getting had Nonis not been proactive (ok Nonis is winning me over a bit).

  13. mapleleafsfan says:

    Vinny to philly for 4.5/5? I’d have paid more than that if I were Nonis..

    • Yeah, weird. I think Vinny wanted to go there.

    • nordiques100 says:

      Wallace said this above

      “This board seriously under values that influence of money, they’re not all pure hearts fans that just want a cup ring.”

      Vinny probably woulda squeezed more but went for slightly less b/c he probably felt flyers were best fit for him, not the best fit being who shows him the most money.

    • lafleur10 says:

      he probably wanted to spend that money on david clarkson who is younger and at this point a better player and is younger and will score as much or more than lecavalier.

      • Who wanted to spend that money on Clarkson? I’d take vinny over Clarkson 10/10 times.

        • lafleur10 says:

          clarkson is a good player and will help the leafs he’ll give you more jam on your top 6 than grabovski or kulemin and can score you 30 goals those guys can’t and won’t

          • mapleleafsfan says:

            What? Clarkson has scored 30 once and is 29. Kulie has scored 30 once and is 26. Grabo hit 29 once and has a better G/G ratio than either of them. Kulies is the same as Clarkson, and both of them score points at a higher rate.

            I agree I think Nonis is going for Clarkson, and he will definitely add some jam, but he is really overrated. He is going to get paid for one good season.

        • lafleur10 says:

          dave nonis does that’s why he like bergevin offered only so much for lecavalie and wasn’t prepared to go any higher he’s got clarson in his sights

        • mapleleafsfan says:

          Agreed. Even 37 year old Vinny will be >>>> 29 year old Clarkson.

  14. LN91 says:

    Okay honest question here, why does everyone want to sign with the Flyers? I don’t get it. It’s not like Philly is the prettiest city out there.

    Geeze.

    • mojo19 says:

      Because they have a competitive owner, and a GM willing to do whatever it takes.

      When Briere was the big UFA they signed him.
      When they bottomed out they traded Nashvilles 1st back to them (originally coming in the Forsberg deal) for negotiation rights to Hartnell and Timonen. These were the first players to have their rights obtained, now a common occurance.
      They were the first team to malke a significant offer sheet, post 2005 lockout (Kesler), and they’ve made the most aggressive offer sheet in the cap era (Weber)
      They needed a goalie and signed Bryz (oops. Oh well, they didn’t sit on their hands)
      They missed the playoffs last year and proceeded to sign the top available centre and defenceman (whose rights they got the jump on)

      Who wouldn’t want to go to Philly? Oh did I mention that when Pronger became available they got him and made the Cup final that year? ‘Cause that happened too.

      • leafs_wallace93 says:

        Yep, good post, all that whining about ‘you don’t make offer sheets because you make yourself a target’ yet no one has gone after Philly in a way that’s damaged them.

        Toronto should be as active as Philly & NYR yet we act like a small market franchise.

        How could Toronto not offer sheet Stamkos, I’ll never understand.

  15. nordiques100 says:

    Flyers drop 17 mil with briere and bryzgalov buyouts and prongers injury.

    Adding vinny puts them at around 60 mil with a forward a defenceman and a goalie needed to round out their roster.

    Holmgren could care less about 2014.

  16. kessel_leafs81 says:

    So can teams officially sign bought out players before July 5th? Or just make agreements?

    • Gambo says:

      Players can’t be signed until July 5th. Bought out players can make agreements because they are no longer under contract with any team. So Lecavalier isn’t a Flyer until the 5th.

  17. LN91 says:

    Hey lafleur…Kristo is no longer a Hab #AnotherFailedTimmonsPick

    • mapleleafsfan says:

      That was actually a pretty bad trade. Kristo is definitely the better player. Thomas is puny too.

      • Thomas has more raw skill, but is smaller – he’s also younger. I didn’t see Thomas fitting in with the Rangers, especially with Torts. I don’t know that it’ll be any different with AV. I like Thomas but I don’t think he was ever making Rangers full time. I also don’t see Kristo ever making the Rangers full time. Could be wrong though.

    • lafleur10 says:

      yeah i heard big deal he was apparently a shit disturber and had character issues that apparently why he made the deal i wouldn’t call him a fanother failed timmins pick wait to see if he makes it or not first timmins has a proven track record he has more guys inthe nhl over last number of years than any scout does he has his last 12-13 picks playing in the league and for us the only one that didn’t make make our team was david fischer

      • mapleleafsfan says:

        Does Timmins only pick the first rounders then? (serious questions, not chirping). Because outside of your first rounders, not many at all are in the show. I mean Galchenyuk was a no brainer, but he made it. Beaulieu hasn’t fully made it yet but he will, same with Tinordi. Leblanc was a flop (who you claimed was going to be a star πŸ˜‰ , Kristo is gone.

        The 2007 draft is the only really good one for Timmins (Mcdonough, patches and Subban). Everything else has been average at best. Gallagher in the fifth was the only non no-brainer pick that turned out well.

  18. mojo19 says:

    I wouldn’t sign Bozak to a 1 year $1 million contract. I have no use for him. There’s no place for a guy like him on the roster. If he could play for free, in some cap loophole hypothetical, I would send him packing. He’s a play killer, and a loser.

    He can play with Wellwood and Suglobov somewhere.

  19. toronto77 says:

    I don’t mind waiting for Rielly because we already have Gardiner, but I can’t wait to see Gauthier. He is unlike any player we have on the team or prospect pool.

    Carlyle is going to love him! Still think this kid is 2 years away.

    • Gambo says:

      I can’t wait to see Rielly and Biggs, they’re the two prospects I’m looking forward to seeing the most come training camp.

      I would have rather had Rychel and I think Shinkaruk will be a much better player, but I’m content with Gauthier. Could be the perfect 3C down the road.

  20. lafleur10 says:

    has there been a decision on the coyotes future in glendale,because i thought the nhl gave them a deadline of july 2nd(today)

  21. mojo19 says:

    I predict Gauthier turns into a Brian Boyle for us. He’ll never put up 50+ points in a season, but as a big giant in a bottom 6 role, he’ll be a great guy to have on the team.

    This is a realistic hope, anyways.

    • toronto77 says:

      I hope to God he doesn’t become a Brian Boyle! and will be very disappointing to see that Gauthier becomes nothing better than a bottom 6 player. He has the speed and size to be a top 6 player and is a pretty good passer and crashes the net.

      Like i’ve said before, I don’t want to put a feather in his hat but I think he’ll be a mix of Bergeron, Backes and Brown. But Boyle!! I don’t even want him anymore if he becomes a Brian Boyle.

      Maybe I am just prejudice with former first round picks, but I don’t see why any team would want to draft a player in the FIRST ROUND thinking he is going to be a solid 3rd line guy? When you draft for a forward in the 1st round you shoot for a minimum of a top 6 forward.

      Same with Biggs, some people think he’ll be a 3rd line grinder, but I think he’ll be a perfect 2nd line winger, may not be skilled enough for the top line, but should be a very good number two liner.

      • Gambo says:

        He’s just being realistic with his assumption. I wouldn’t be disappointed in him being a solid 3rd line C, he’s not a top 10 pick or anything.

        But yeah, players drafted in the first round are thought to have greater potential than later picks, so you never know, Gauthier could even become a great 1st line centre. Only time will tell.

        • mojo19 says:

          Brian Boyle was drafted 26th overall in the mighty 2003 draft. Don’t get me wrong, it would be great if he somehow became more, but I think he’ll be a big 3rd line centre, more of a physical defensive guy who can chip in with 15 goals a year.

          Don’t get your hopes too high for him, that’s all I’m saying. Not trying to be a downer, this is just what I think.

          • Gambo says:

            Oh I agree completely. I’d be happy if he was a good 3rd liner and a stud on the PK. Someone who can shutdown and still chip in a few goals here and there.

            • realistic_leafs_fan says:

              Exactly, he is a 21st overall pick, not a top 15 pick. If he exceeds a Brian Boyle, great. I would rather him he be a B.Boyle than a complete bust.

  22. LN91 says:

    I believe the Leafs will be targeting three players in UFA this off-season: Clarkson, Weiss, and Ference.

    Get all 3 (obviously Grabo leaving) and the Leafs will be a very difficult team to play.

    • mojo19 says:

      Ya, Clarkson and Ferrence would make us pretty gritty.

      I want Hal Gill as well. Presuming he’s bought out now that he’s cleared waivers. Just as a 6-7 veteran dman, and a guy to kill 5 on 3’s etc.

      • Gambo says:

        Wasn’t Ference used on the right side? If so I can see him and Fraser being a good duo for the 5/6 positions.

        • realistic_leafs_fan says:

          For what Ference is going to get paid, I don’t think he is intended as a 5-6 pairing. He will be signed to a team that expects him to play in the second pairing.
          Ference is a 20 min a night d-man. You don’t typically give a guy $3+ mil a year to play 5-6 pairing minutes.

          • nordiques100 says:

            3rd pairing but will rack up minutes on PK though and prob 2nd PP unit replacing Gunnarsson who was in that spot.

            • realistic_leafs_fan says:

              Then I doubt he signs here if our plan is to play him on the third pairing with a Fraser or Holzer. I would think he will go to a team that would utilize him more 5 on 5.
              He was top 4 on Boston for 5 on 5 minutes, 17 mins a night AVG, about the same as Boychuk. I doubt he wants to become a 13 min a night guy while getting extra PK and PP minutes. If he comes here, I think he will want to be top 4. But, I could be wrong.

  23. mapleleafsfan says:

    Grabo bought out. It’s a bad contract, but I’ll miss him. Guy’s a warrior.

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