Comments on: Bill Watters via Twitter – Could Carter go to Montreal?

By: kilter

kilter — Mon, 13 Feb 2012 23:19:16 +0000

What a total disgrace this team and more importantly organization is!!! The team has absolutly NO HEART! And why should it when night after night they see a complete joke and embaressment like Gomez taking a regular shift and he isn,t worth shit!!! As for the orgaization…why the ***** is Gainey still involved in the operation of the team,when he is directly responsible for the pathetic product thats currently on the ice and most importanly the absolutly ridiculus trade for Gomez…which is easily Easily in the top 2 of the worst deals ever made in NHL history and i can,t remember the other one…you get my point. Finally….OMG why/how is Perrie Gouthier still the GM of this club…haha i mean i,ve seen some guys that were bad at there jobs but this guy takes the cake!!! I,ve never seen anyone more lost and have less understanding of how to run a team in my life!!! he is a JOKE,a Dummy and completely incompetent! Ya know when an organization is trying to put a team together and its not working and they are making changes to try and fix problems i can totally respect that but when you have no clue what your doing,you give players away for nothing and you fire people to try and cover your own ass and you don,t try and get someone in when one of your top players goes down///IE Gionta gone for the year…what does PG do go out and get another good player…NNNOOOOO will just bring up someone from hamilton…brilliant!!!! I,m embarressed for the first time im my life to be a Habs fan,,,so this is whats its like to be a Leafs fan everyday eh.

By: Steven_Leafs

Steven_Leafs — Tue, 07 Feb 2012 19:36:05 +0000

I would hold onto him. I know most wouldn't but there is no point getting so little for him IMO. Keep him and see if he improves, I cannot see him getting much worse.

By: lafleur10

lafleur10 — Tue, 07 Feb 2012 17:25:29 +0000

well i'm not a dillisional leafs fan that thinks you can offer garbage and and get elite players! or number 1 centers! this is an overpayment not too much of an overpayment the only really good piece is leblanc and possibly ellar

By: reinjosh

reinjosh — Mon, 06 Feb 2012 20:31:17 +0000

And any GM that gives more is in just as bad a position. Howson is in a terrible position. he doesn't have any leverage in this type of trade. The other GM does. So it's either take slightly less or keep a player who very well doesn't want to be there and isn't fitting.

That's my thoughts any. Howson is in no way going to get full value for Carter. His attitude, his play and where Howson is coming from, is all working against Howson. I would be absolutely shocked if he got equal to or more than he traded for him.

What do you do with Carter? He's obviously unhappy. He was obviously unhappy when he was traded. He hasn't played well and he hasn't achieved what you wanted. Yet you could look at the team and say its not his fault, you could say the injuries hurt his play. So do you keep him and keep a player who has no desire to be there, hoping he might turn it around? OR do you maximize his value, even though it won't be what you traded for him?

Your screwed either way.

By: Steven_Leafs

Steven_Leafs — Mon, 06 Feb 2012 19:57:33 +0000

there is no way the GM, who is one wrong move from being fired, will take less than what he got for Carter (and that includes considering the 8th overall pick as Couturier). Even if you cannot count the 8th overall pick as Couturier that pick was a minimum of Hamilton, Scheifele, or Zibanejad when they traded it. I know in general that a 3rd is a 3rd but it is one year later and a first is not always equal to a first (no one would trade their 8th overall pick in 2012 for a 1st in 2013 or 2014).

Think of it this way, Columbus would never trade Carter back to Philadelphia for Voracek, a 1st & 3rd in 2012. I understand that Carter's value has dropped, but why would Columbus accept a trade that gives them Carter's low-end value back in return? Trading Carter now wont help them in the standings, so unless someone is willing to overpay, Carter will not move.

While your offer is bang on for Carter's value IMO, I still cannot see Columbus accepting it ever.

By: mapleleafsfan

mapleleafsfan — Mon, 06 Feb 2012 17:16:18 +0000

Holy… An overpayment offer by lafleur I'm shocked. Unless that something else from colombus is something substantial, you wouldn't need to trade that much.

By: reinjosh

reinjosh — Mon, 06 Feb 2012 17:00:25 +0000

Haha I was there once too as a Leafs fan. Hold steady, things will get better.

I do like your core, from a purely non=biased viewpoint. It's a lot better off than the Leafs were when Burke came.

By: reinjosh

reinjosh — Mon, 06 Feb 2012 16:58:58 +0000

What do you think Carter is worth?

At the time of him being traded, he was worth a high 1st, 3rd and Voracek (a young 45 ish point forward).

The first rounder wasn't Couturier. It's value was that of a mid end (on the higher end) pick. So you can't look at it as the value of Couturier.

So Eller is a less experienced Voracek with about similar upside (same age, etc).

The first is a first, and the 3rd is a third.

Eller, Leblanc, and a 1st in overpayment in my books. That's three first rounders. One with already a year and a half of development (and not stalled development at that). That's more than what Carter got originally. No way the difference between Eller and Voracek is worth pushing the 3rd up to a first.

And you have to think Carter's value has dropped too. Columbus won't be getting full value.

And they probably want to go for the playoffs next year. I still maintain that going after Plekanec would be their best bet. No one is going to give them full value and getting an established second line two-way center with 70 point upside is something of big value. Toss in Diaz and their 2nd rounder.

That's about the best offer I can see them getting for players now. Plekanec is still young, Diaz is too. So it still fits into the future as well.

By: HABSSTAR

HABSSTAR — Mon, 06 Feb 2012 16:53:37 +0000

Yeah you make some good points. Maybe I've just become beaten down to the point of assuming any move will result in naked, shivering failure. lol

By: lafleur10

lafleur10 — Mon, 06 Feb 2012 16:26:12 +0000

or you could take out ellar and leblanc and add kostitsyn and dasharnais with weber and those picks