Bowman: Maple Leafs turned me down

If the Maple Leafs tailspin calls for the firing of JFJ weren’t bad enough in Toronto, the team’s fans got another punch in the gut from an interview with Scotty Bowman on Saturday night.

The Hall of Fame coach told Hockey Night in Canada that he was close to taking the job as the team’s president last summer, only to be turned away later.

39 Responses to Bowman: Maple Leafs turned me down

  1. hil00 says:

    Good point. If the Leafs actually signed Bowman, they wouldn't be in the situation there are in now.

  2. Gretzkin says:

    From the sounds of it, with the right deal in place, Bowman could still be lured away from Detroit, so all is not completely lost in negotiations with him.

    The only way it would work would be for him to have complete control, and the relenquishing of control in MLSE (Peddie) is the problem.
    As long as he's there, the Leafs are going to suck hard. There are too many hands in the cookie jar, and that's been a problem dating back to the Pat Quinn days.
  3. leafy says:

    Scotty obviously has the biggest hockey mind….a PhD in hockey, if you will.

    Having said that, Scotty is no spring chicken.  By the time the Leafs contend again, Scotty might be 80 years old!

    So maybe it's for the best the Leafs consider younger alternatives like Neil Smith or Colin Campbell.

    As a sidenote, I don't completely agree that it was ONLY bad management that killed the Leafs.

    As much as bad management, it was the friggin salary cap that killed the Leafs, just like video killed the radio star….

  4. BLUE_AND_WHITE says:

    anyone listening to the radio in Toronto knew that in october.

    by the time it was all said and done the season was about to start and there was no point in going through with it.

  5. GolfLeafsGolfHa says:

    Well the Leafs made the choice to throw out ridiculous contracts to McCabe, Tucker, Blake, Kubina, and now their paying for it now, this team needs to move any of those names mentioned above in order to start a long process of rebuilding, they just have to already.

  6. GolfLeafsGolfHa says:

    yeh right, you just know it all it seems, maybe you should apply for the G.M. position when JFJ's out, you just seem to everything all the time.

  7. BLUE_AND_WHITE says:

    Scotty bowman is a weekly "Hockey Insider" on the fan 590 (toronto) morning show. he explianed it there many times.

    i admit i act like i know it all. and thats mostly because i will only comment if i think i know it all.

    i wouldn't for example, say that i think you are a previos member under a new name because i dont know that. as a matter of fact i'm more likely wrong then right.

    you however would come out and say it. even if you know you might be wrong.

    call me arogant if you want. but thats who i am.

    oh, and if you truly care 0% about what i say (as you said earlier) you wouldn't have replied at all.

  8. mojo19 says:

    This is old news. Everyone knows Peddie and Bowman couldn't come to an agreement because Peddie insisted on JFJ staying (among other things) and Bowman wanted complete control to do any moves he wants.

    However the story today from the Sun suggests Bowman could still become President of the Leafs, as he finds this challenge interesting, he'd want complete control and around $3 million. So we'll see if anything happens.

  9. jpmac says:

    Every team has to deal with the salary cap, so that just seems like a cop out to me.  The way the Leafs didn't acknowledge the salary cap was what killed them.

  10. BLUE_AND_WHITE says:

    the big contracts isn't the problem. its the coaching and lack of youth thats killing them. seldom teams can say their best players have their biggest contracts.

  11. leafy says:

    True, but the Leafs used to spend the most amount of money in the NHL, after NY and Detroit….a major advantage.

    However, after the cap was introduced, this advantage was immediately wiped out.

  12. GolfLeafsGolfHa says:

    Ummm you know what, can't argue with you, you know everything, so we'll leave it at that.

  13. leafy says:

    Actually, Golf, I don't mean to intervene, but B&W is one of the few people on this site who actually knows what he's talking about.  He's definitely not arrogant.

    I'm only telling you this because you're new to this site and don't know most people that well.

    Over time, if you hang around, you'll be able to tell the difference between the smart ones and the duds.

  14. leafy says:

    That would be awesome if it happened…Bowman as President and someone younger (but competent) as GM.  A major step in the right direction for this franchise.  Keeping our fingers crossed….

  15. curtman96 says:

    Not exactly. It would take more than one off-season to get this team going in the right direction.

  16. jpmac says:

    I understand that, but Detroit has seemed to adapt to it pretty well, because they capable mangement.

  17. leafy says:

    Very good point.

  18. AntropovGoodIToldUSo says:

    They did accommodate the cap and had to gut the team to do it.

  19. AntropovGoodIToldUSo says:

    As soon as I heard Peddie shunned Bowman I was pissed! How dare you tell a guy like Bowman no? We need to build championship mentality and you tell a multi time champion both as builder and coach no? Get lost you real estate pedaling idiot.

  20. the_word says:

    Dude, seriously drop the pom poms, stop cheering for other people you respect on this site, it annoying.  Let others speak for themselves.

  21. leafy says:

    Completely 100% my thoughts as well.  The whole management structure is dysfunctional and Peddie especially doesn't know what he's doing.

  22. Mattay05 says:

    I AGREE! Peddie is a friggen moron and I wish the very worst for him! That greedy power hungry jacka$$ is killing our team! Something NEEDS to be done and it has to start with getting rid of this joke!

  23. the_word says:

    Did everyone forget the ridicule Peddie recieved for seeking an advisor for JFJ?  Personally I liked the idea of bringing in a new president/advisor this off season.  Wouldn't it be nice to have someone in charge of hockey decisions for the Leafs, so there wouldn't have to be a board meeting for every hiring, firing, trade and contract siging.  Bowman and JFJ could have co-existed and if not, Bowman would have had the authority to fire JFJ.  But alas, everyone had to bash Peddie for looking to bring someone in this summer and now everyone villifies Peddie to not hiring Bowman.  I'm harldy a fan of Peddie, but it amuses how fans rant away, turning Peddie into a cartoon devil whose existence is merely to destroy the Maple Leafs.  Its the same extremist uncritcal sheep that calls MLSE's decision hiring of Colangelo a fluke that Stern imposed on the Raptors (ignoring the role advisory role that Embery played in creating a siuation to for luring Colangelo, what Peddie made an attempt to duplicate this off season with Bowman).

    With the passing of JFJ's father, the typical uncritical fans/media ridicule surrounding the situation and the roster set three weeks heading into the season, Peddie walked away from Bowman (a bad decision, but giving the situation one can certainly understand how he came to this decision).          

  24. Nemix says:

    Enjoy the tailspin..most of the problem with this organization is they do listen to much to thier fans.. Owen Nolan should be had sacrificing so many draft picks in the process to get him .. Defensemen were signed at enormus prices.. more draft pics were dumped to get toskala .. I think its time t tune out the drastc fan that things a ranger like team will win in this new regieme… Next GM pull a cliff fletcher .. dump and get some great young players and dont listen to the fans next time

  25. Habs_pm says:

    Nobody is willing to clean up this mess…..NOBODY!

    Bowman needs to stay in Detroit.

    Toronto fans, all this speculation is driving you nuts. Just wait and see what happens. I mean how much worse can it get right?

  26. leafy says:

    Yeah Peddie wanted to bring in a senior adviser, but in what fashion?

    The senior advisor was NOT going to get full control over all hockey operations, which is what Bowman asked for.  Bowman himself said this (see link below).

    In other words, it was a sham deal, and Peddie is clearly reluctant to give up his power.

    The sooner Peddie is thrown out on his keister, the better for everyone.

  27. dcz28 says:

    Sundin and the Leafs 1st round pick this year to Detroit for Bowman, a signed 5×10 picture of Yzerman and one of Datsyuk's sticks lol

    But seriously wouldn't Toronto have to give Detroit some compensation if they hired Bowman? I'm not sure how long Bowman's contract with the Wings is or if he just signs one every year but if he is signed they likely would have to give the Wings something for them to let him go.

    How about this Leafs fans:

    Bowman, Meech and 1st round pick for Sundin (look any better?)…alright i'm done making jokes for now.

  28. leafy says:

    Sundin might still be invited to the All-Star game after all.  He may be asked to replace Heatley because of his injury.–Mats_Sundin_Obvious_Choice_to_Replace_Dany_Heatley-130108

  29. iamnewfie1 says:

    another post from someone who hates the leafs ….montreal is no better…

  30. 92-93 says:

    like Cox has said, this is OLD news. Bowman said all this in the summer. still shocking though.

    from Dimanno at the Star: "The pressure on Sundin to consent to this is intense, as if he owes this outfit, this city, anything beyond what he's steadfastly given – some kind of moral obligation to do the right thing by them, when they have so rarely done the right thing by him."
    dont get me wrong, i would love to see mats traded for a decent return, but i hate reading leaf fans writing that Mats owes us anything and should do the 'honourable thing' and waive his NTC. if he decides not to its HIS choice and he has earned that choice. maybe we'll see how shallow some leaf fans are if he decides not to waive the NTC.
  31. arigold says:

    My only question is why CBC decided to interview Bowman specifically on his talks with the Leafs earlier in the year.  It was no secret that Bowman was in talks with the Leafs, so why have him clear the air now.  My guess is that it simply makes for more headlines.  With the Leafs struggling, and jobs on the line, all this interview did was add more fuel to the fire.  Somebody at that network is obviously doing whatever they can to force the hand of the powers that be to make a move.  However, this management group has proved time and time again that they will not let the media make decisions for them.  I have a feeling that this time will be no different.  Trades possibly, but I don't forsee any moves in upper management until the summer.

  32. Gretzkin says:

    You're right. The only thing Mats owes the Leafs is to honour his contract.

    He's given 110% his entire time in Toronto, and they've always been promising him more than they ever gave him to work with.
    It would be nice to see a return for him, but it's not his responsibility to waive his NMC.
  33. the_word says:

    "Yeah Peddie wanted to bring in a senior adviser, but in what fashion?"

    A good question to ask, though I find Berger a little dramatic in his blog (thanks for the link though).  I saw the Bowman interview during the pregame, I got the impression that as the season approached, with roster set there wasn't much Bowman could do for the team.  So Peddie decided to push forward with a 'competitive' Leaf team at the time.  The death of JFJ senoir also played a role in the letting up from searching for an advisor.  I think this had more to do with Peddie walking away from Bowman than the perception of Peddie's reluctance to give up power.  The reason being that there is a precedent for success within MLSE management with Colangelo (whether or not Colangelo was handed to the Raptors, the precendent is there).  Colangelo's impact on the Raptors was a motivating factor to search for someone like Bowman.  It simply wasn't a good time for the Leafs.  Again I think Peddie's role in the demise of the Leafs is exaggerated. 

  34. leafy says:

    I was just thinking, the reason MLSE has yet to dismiss Fergie is because he has a "no-firing" clause in his contract.

    Seriously, from the article below, the Leafs are stuck with a number of contracts until 2010-11, no thanks to large salaries and no-movement clauses.

  35. leafy says:

    Who knows why Peddie walked away?  The bottom line is that this clown lobbied to give Fergie a multi-year contract extension last summer, but thank God, it was voted down by the Board.

    Do you trust this guy's judgment in choosing Toronto's next GM?  I don't.

  36. BLUEBOLZ says:

    Old news yes,but why when the Leafs have hit rock bottom is he coming out with this to presussure the Leafs to sign or to rub it into their faces or does 
    he really feel that bad for the Leaf fan !!! I say do whatever it takes to get him the greastest hockey mind in the game , as for myself one of the greatest fans around that never misses a single game is getting sick and tired of all the crap going on with management etc…. You can't blame 
    maurice he can only do as good as what they provide him with .plus they need somehow to get rid of (waste of capspace) Tucker (has heart that's it)  stajan,poni,kubina,kilger,blake,steen,white,belak,wellwood ??? maybe just get rid of everyone and start over !!! Sorry but I would only keep about 4-5 core players and go from there but they can't because idiot JFJ signed all the players that suck to NTC's ,just my rant first timer !!!

  37. GolfLeafsGolfHa says:

    so you take it in the bumb from B&W and gotta stick up for your man friend…right on leafy…queer

  38. leafy says:

    How old are you?

  39. jpmac says:

    Gut the team who did they lose that was any good besides schnider??

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