Comments on: Bozak or MacCarther ?

By: realistic_leafs_fan

realistic_leafs_fan — Thu, 28 Feb 2013 13:49:28 +0000

Frattin is not small though. Orr will be back to the fourth line when Frattin returns.

By: realistic_leafs_fan

realistic_leafs_fan — Thu, 28 Feb 2013 13:45:47 +0000

I was only comparing if Nonis made the same kind of deals Holmgren did…which was for 20 year old prospects and picks basically. Other “hockey trades” are fine. Stupid trades man, I meant stupid trades.lol

By: Lucci_101

Lucci_101 — Wed, 27 Feb 2013 17:45:13 +0000

Koramov is on the checking line with grabo and they are plaing great. Orr is playing with Kadri to add toughness and itimidation to a line that is rather small with Frattin and Kadri. He also brings in a defensive style of play or responsiblity that will rub off on frattin and Kadri and make them better players. Tht is why JVR can not slide to the second line and macCarther has no spot plus having almost 14 m in salary sitting in the press box is not wise, if they go on waivers there gonna be picked up and we lose them for nothing

By: doorman

doorman — Wed, 27 Feb 2013 17:06:43 +0000

I said fleeced my friends not for 20 yr old prospects. I wouldn’t like those types of trades either. However if Kessel was moved for say a number 1 dman and phaneuf for Bobby Ryan, well you get the point. Hockey trades, man I meant hockey trades.

By: realistic_leafs_fan

realistic_leafs_fan — Wed, 27 Feb 2013 16:49:21 +0000

That’s my point…big balls doesn’t mean big brains.LOL
I disagree on the “for the record” part though. We are not starting a re-build at this point…so trading our 3 best players 23-29 years old for a couple of fairly green 2o year olds and junior prospects would be a bad move.IMO If we were rebuilding and the team was a bottom feeder…maybe I understand it.

By: doorman

doorman — Wed, 27 Feb 2013 16:12:17 +0000

I said I gave him credit for having testies, not that they were well used. lol. And Snider plays a bigger role in Philly then most think, IMO, he is a very hands on owner. And for the record making those trades would only make Nonis an idiot if he got fleeced.

By: realistic_leafs_fan

realistic_leafs_fan — Wed, 27 Feb 2013 15:11:17 +0000

No doubt Snider pushed for goalie. He said goaltending would never be a problem again. I doubt it was his plan on how to make it happen though.lol
Sorry my friend, I personally don’t give Holmgren credit for having big kahuna’s.lol He is the GM and the moves are his responsibility as much as it was Burkes…pressures aside.
I totally agree Burke was too loyal to Wilson. I ranted on here many times over the past 3 years that I am having trouble supporting Burke as long as he keeps Wilson.
Nonis could have big testies too and trade Kessel, JVR and Lupul for young prospects and picks…and I would call him an idiot as well.LOL

By: doorman

doorman — Wed, 27 Feb 2013 15:00:11 +0000

Richards for sure and Carter to a lesser extent were dealt because of Pronger, IMO. There were rumblings he didn’t like the leadership or how they approached the game. I think Holgren has to get credit for having the testies to do something rather than nothing. That being said not all of his moves are good. though I think he made the JVR trade, Sniders scent is all over the Bryz signing, IMO.

Burkes biggest problem wasn’t doing nothing, it was loyalty. Like you said Wilson was the problem and Burke was too loyal to do anything. I don’t see Holgren in a hurry to trade with the Leafs again, though Schenn has played well for them.

By: realistic_leafs_fan

realistic_leafs_fan — Wed, 27 Feb 2013 14:33:53 +0000

MacArthur would seem to be the guy who goes first. I would think if Bozak goes, it’s in a package for an upgrade.

On another note, Holmgrem picks up Gagne. Why? Over $2mil cap hit for a guy to play the 4th line when you need defencemen. I know a lot of guys on here praise Holmgren for being bold. Personally I didn’t like when he traded Carter and Richards, I didn’t like the big money for Bryz and I thought we were getting the better of the deal when we got JVR(which looks true). It’s one thing to be bold, it’s another to be stupid.
Many said Philly would be better in the long run…sorry,they aren’t and weren’t going to be. This is why I hated the Richards and Carter trades so much. As far as I’m concerned, you don’t trade two of your best mid 20 year old players when you are a cup contending team to get prospects and to make cap room for a goalie. There is nothing wrong with Voracek, Simmonds and Schenn’s, but they aren’t Richards, Carter and JVR.
IMO-If Holmgen starts making some smart moves, this team may be a good team again in 3-4 years. If he is lucky, Carter and Richards won’t be able to rub another Stanley Cup championship in his face by that time.
The point of this is, Burke got blasted for not making big trades and signings and Holmgren got praised. Which team looks more poised to move forward? Burke was not our biggest problem, Wilson was. I’m not saying Burke didn’t make mistakes, but I would take what he did for Toronto over what Holmgreen has done to Philly anyday.
The bonus for us is, Philly is capped out and still needs D-men. They are probably willing to unload some good cap heavy forwards to get one. I would think Briere, Talbot, Simmonds and Fedotenko will be shopped. My guess is Holmgren would want Franson.(who I really don’t want to trade…unless the price was big:))Maybe Holmgren would be “bold” enough to do Simmonds for Kostka.lol

By: mojo19

mojo19 — Wed, 27 Feb 2013 06:26:36 +0000

Ya MacArthur is the odd man out, he’s smallish. But he does have some decent moves and plays well at times.

4th line for me ideally would be Komarov – McClement – Orr/McLaren

I really don’t have a ton of use of Brown. He’s fine as a 13th-14th fwd to come in and fight the light-weight fights, play a few energy minutes the odd game.