Comments on: Brian Burke's big trades: which one wins?

By: mojo19

mojo19 — Tue, 06 Dec 2011 15:58:46 +0000

That move will work in tandem with the Phaneuf and Lupul pick ups though. You can't just talk about the last piece of the puzzle. every piece of the puzzle is important.

That's like saying after a 4-3 win that the only important goal was the 4th one. News flash, that goal isn't a game winner without those other 3.

By: reinjosh

reinjosh — Sat, 03 Dec 2011 14:19:35 +0000

Gardiner's value had fallen and was nowhere near where it is now and they had a depth of assets in young Puck Moving defenseman. You always trade from depth for a lack of something at thats what they did. They had no use for Lupul on the third line and really couldn't afford to pay his salary to play a third line role. Thus they could afford to give up Gardiner to not only get rid of the useless salary but also get a dman they desperately needed. That's why it was a good trade for them. They got a piece that actually fits really well with Gardiner, gained some cap space, and got rid of a player that didn't fit into the team (and more than likely made the locker room a little less tight. Lupul isn't a bad guy but having a guy thats frustrated can bring a locker room down).

So they got three key things in that deal and really thats all that matters to them. The value of Gardiner and Lupul now doesn't determine the trade at that time. It's not one of those deals.

By: reinjosh

reinjosh — Sat, 03 Dec 2011 13:50:04 +0000

I would actually be interested in that.

And controversial is not a problem for me. My degree is in poli sci and it pretty much presents itself in almost every class.

By: reinjosh

reinjosh — Sat, 03 Dec 2011 13:46:47 +0000

I agree completely. Was he a bad GM? Yes he was. There isn't much to support him being a good GM but it was more than just him in that. He was definitely pressured by the upper management and it led to him forcing moves through and in the end a complete destruction of the team.

He is a good scout and some of the guys on our team now go to prove that (and the fact that San Jose still employs him as a Scout) but he was pulled out of his element when managment put pressure on him. He couldn't deal with the pressure and caved.

By: senators_choke

senators_choke — Fri, 02 Dec 2011 22:18:13 +0000

If he had moved Pogge instead of Rask, he would have been smart, but he wasn't.

To people who say he was a good scout, I don't care. It's his time as GM that hurt the Leafs. Good thing Burke came in and cleaned up the shit JFJ left behind.

By: mapleleafsfan

mapleleafsfan — Fri, 02 Dec 2011 19:37:29 +0000

I'd personally rather see a Toronto-NYI east final and a Colombus-Anaheim west.

By: Vicks_Prick_Leafs

Vicks_Prick_Leafs — Fri, 02 Dec 2011 18:37:17 +0000

thanks Josh, i often find myself being the sole JFJ defendant.

i think his traffic record is abhorantly bad.
but...
i think he was pressured allot by upper management. seeing this was his first time as GM he was hired as a "puppet" and "scapegoat" for the management to dictate trades without taking blame.

lol yeah that kinda reads like a conspiracy theory

By: Steven_Leafs

Steven_Leafs — Fri, 02 Dec 2011 17:59:52 +0000

Gardiner's value was no where near as high as it is now and Lupul was seen as dead weight by the Ducks, yes in hind-sight they should have asked for much more but at the time it was a fair trade for both sides. Leafs get a young D for an aging one and take on Lupul's contract who could have very easily been forced to retire or could not get back to his top-playing form. Lucky for us.

By: toronto77

toronto77 — Fri, 02 Dec 2011 17:53:24 +0000

This is thus far the most tightest NHL season afte the 20-25 game mark.

Only SEVEN POINTS seperates 2nd to 13th in the east, and only ELEVEN POINTS seperates 1st to 13th in the west. This is an exciting but yet scary race in the league. The new NHL is starting to have a huge affect now that ALL 30 teams are starting to respect draft picks and properly develop young players. Even the worst team in the league will have atleast two star forwards and an amazing defencemen. Competition is getting more and more tight every year.

I want to see Pittsburgh and Boston in the conference finals in the east and nashville and chicago in the west!

By: Steven_Leafs

Steven_Leafs — Fri, 02 Dec 2011 17:27:02 +0000

yeah JFJ wouldn't have seemed like such a failure if he would have traded Pogge for Raycroft. Oh well, what can you do.