Bruins putting Thomas up for trade?

BRUCE GARRIOCH, QMI Agency

The Bruins might be on the verge of trying to deal Vezina Trophy winner Tim Thomas.

While it would have been unthinkable when Thomas was signed to a four-year, $20-million (all terms US) contract extension last spring, two league executives confirmed to the Sun on Saturday that Bruins GM Peter Chiarelli has held talks with teams looking for goaltending help.

With the Bruins stuck in a miserable 10-game losing streak following Saturday’s 3-2 shootout loss to the Canucks, sources say Chiarelli hasn’t completely dismissed teams that have called about Thomas.

The sticking point with the 35-year-old Thomas, who has only one win in his last nine starts, is he has a no-movement clause in the deal he signed last April.

If Thomas were to waive his clause, his reasonable $5-million cap hit through the 2011-12 season would make him attractive on the trade market.

What isn’t so attractive is Thomas’ lacklustre 13-15-7 record, with a 2.52 GAA to go with a .915 save percentage.

Last season when he won the Vezina, Thomas posted a 36-11-7 record with a 2.10 GAA and a .933 save percentage.

The Blackhawks are likely to add a goalie by the March 3 trade deadline. They’d have to bury goalie Cristobal Huet and his $5.625-million cap hit in the minors to make a Thomas deal work, but there is a sense GM Stan Bowman is willing to do it if it improves Chicago’s chances to winning the Stanley Cup.

With Marty Turco set to become an unrestricted free agent this summer, the Stars could be in the market for Thomas as could the Blues and Blue Jackets, neither of whom have gotten the goaltending they expected this season.

Boston’s asking price would be steep. A goalie like Thomas should be able to fetch a top-six forward, top-four blueliner and a solid backup goalie.

Of course, the Bruins have to decide if goalie Tuukka Rask is ready to take over the No. 1 role, but they can’t afford to struggle much longer.

http://www.torontosun.com/sports/hockey/2010/02/06/12773931.html


81 Responses to Bruins putting Thomas up for trade?

  1. jpmac says:

    Your Carolina trade may be a moot point if the Bruins/Leafs win the draft lottery.

  2. dumbassdoorman says:

    I have to agree with that comment. Not sure i would make the trade either. but sometimes it does work, like Potvin did years ago in TO…..however Mason has struggled this year in Clb. That being said depends on the return and if they feel his value goes up or down from here. If he starts to play well it goes up….but the more rask plys it goes down….catch 22

  3. reinjosh says:

    haha
    good response. and I am being serious, i liked the different response

  4. reinjosh says:

    I assume you mean the Vancouver Giants?
    I don't know, he hasn't really been all that much better than seasons before. I just think he is more of a failed prospect than anything. I don't really see him as more than a third liner.
    Maybe he develops into a solid 20, 20 guy.

  5. hockeyhead says:

    how many games did thomas play when they "handed him the keys"

    thomas is the worst.  i am so sick of his giving up soft goals every freakin game.

    the team plays so much better in front of a calm cool collected rask.

    thomas is a fraud…please oh please save the bruins fans from anymore tim thomas misery.

    5year/million a year for a 36 year old goalie.   good grief PC.

  6. mojo19 says:

    that's a good point bbruins, but this is a cap world and Thomas is not playing up to his $5 million contract. I doubt he'll ever regain his vezina form, but I still think he's a very solid goalie.

  7. mojo19 says:

    Timmy Thomas has always been prone to giving up soft/weird goals. He'll stand on his head and make a series of saves that makes the highlight reel, but then he'll let in some of the most bizarre goals you've ever seen.

    He's a very unusual and funny goalie, but I agree with you hockeyhead, he's not worth $5 mil per season for the next 3 years, and I think Boston will be stuck with him.

  8. bbruins37 says:

    are you serious about your first comment?

    05/06 – thomas comes up in the middle of the year due to injuries to both raycroft and toivonen.

    06/07 – raycroft is traded but toivonen is back from injuries and is declared he starter going into the season but due to poor play/injuries thomas has to play over 60 games.

    07/08 – bruins trade for fernandez and declare him the starter going into the season. fernandez goes down a few games into the season and thomas gets the big workload again.

    08/09 – with fernandez back there were even questions of a platoon-type situation going before thomas once again has to claim the starting role again once the season hadstarted.

    09/10 – thomas fuly labelled as the starter going into the season.

    so yeah, it took a few games for thomas to get handed the keys.

  9. bbruins37 says:

    yeah the giants. im not saying he'll be a saviour anywhere, im just saying he's a decent player to have. i like his style of play.

  10. hockeyhead says:

    too bad thomas was drafted in 94

    if you would rather have flop mc flop in net rather than rask…i cant discuss this anymore.

  11. bbruins37 says:

    how does him being drafted in 94 help your point about them handing him the keys?

    if you're perfectly comfortable in trading the reigning vezina winner away and putting all of the pressure on a guy with 25 games in the nhl, all i can say is im glad youre not the gm

  12. reinjosh says:

    yeah that would be very dumb
    Rask has been good but there is no guarantee he plays the same way when no one is challenging him. 25 games isn't all that much. Look at Price (not truly comparable but decent enough).
    And even if Thomas never regains his Vezina form, I know many teams would love to have a rookie like Rask and a guy like Thomas to mentor him and still play pretty well (.915 and 2.52 are not bad at all).

  13. hockeyhead says:

    geezus….the point is that thomas is a bum.

    the bruins are the only fools to put him in net.

    and ill tell you what,  if i was gm i wouldnt of handed out these rediculous contracts to players that are now underachieving.  especially thomas.

    what do you think the bruin are actually going to do this year?

    what is the harm in giving rask the number one job?

    geez,  i wouldnt want the bruins getting to high draft picks this summer.

    rask is not as fragile as you pin him to be.

    he payed his dues in the minors for a long time.

    by the way…that vezina trophy go right up you know where.

  14. mojo19 says:

    He was a stud in Junior but it never really translated over to the NHL. Strange because he's shown flashes of star power but hasn't been able to put it all together. Some guys just don't have that extra drive. Mark him down as another draft bust, and a guy who peaked before he was 20.

  15. mojo19 says:

    $9 million between Thomas and Ryder is bad.

  16. futurebruin says:

    How about something like this for an offseason?

    – Release Mark Recchi
    – Release Andrew Ference
    – Release/Wave Michael Ryder
    – Re-Sign Steve Begin 1yr/$1.1M
    – Re-Sign Daniel Paille 3yr/$3.9M
    – Re-Sign Blake Wheeler 3yr/$9M
    – Re-Sign Johnny Boychuk 2yr/$1.8M
    – Re-Sign Shawn Thornton 2yr/$1.8M
    – Re-Sign Vladmir Sobotka 3yr/$2.7M
    – Re-Sign Derek Morris 2yr/$6.4M
    – Sign Patrick Marleau 5yr/$32.5M
    – Sign Marian Hossa 4yr/$28M
    – Trade David Krejci to Pittsburgh for 2010 1st Round Pick
    – Trade Tim Thomas to Tampa Bay for 2010 2nd Round Pick
    – Trade Marco Sturm to Los Angeles for 2011 1st Round Pick

    Line 1:  ($6.5) Marleau – Savard ($5.5) – Hossa ($7M)
    Line 2:  ($4.0) Lucic – Bergeron ($4.5) – Wheeler ($3.0)
    Line 3:  ($1.3) Paille – Sobotka ($0.9) – Marchand ($0.822)
    Line 4: ($0.688) Bitz – Begin ($1.1) – Thornton ($0.9)

  17. reinjosh says:

    does this even fit under the cap? I doubt it
    Hossa is signed for a while with CHicago, you cant sign him.
    Tim Tomas isn't going anywhere without cap coming back especially to a team like Tampa.
    Krejci isn't going to Ptissburgh. They have no use for him. Another center is useless. Maybe Bergeron because he can play all positions, not a chance that Krejci gets moved to them.
    Sturm isn't worth a 1st.
    You can't just release Ryder. You can waive him and send him to the minors.

  18. mojo19 says:

    Marleau could cost even more. If he's going to leave the Sharks and test the free agent waters, I believe it will cost at least $35 million over 5 years. But that's not bad.

    Marian Hossa…. long term deal….. Chicago……. ???

  19. bbruins37 says:

    well i cant find one problem or mistake in there. good job

  20. bbruins37 says:

    im not pinning rask as fragile at all. he's one of the most composed goalies ive seen. that doesnt change the fact that the guy has 25 games of experience.

    do you remember hannu toivonen? one of the big things people liked about him was that he seemingly never got rattled. things changed for him. i dont think the same thing will happen with rask, but theres always a chance he drops off after losing thomas.

    thomas is a bum and "that vezina trophy go right up you know where"? hmmm, yeah you know what you're right. i never really thought of it that way. i don't even have a rebuttal

  21. dumbassdoorman says:

    A few fixes…like Thomas and a 2nd for Malone in Tampa, maybe…Hossa is already signed though Chicago may trade him, unlikely….Marleau is not leaving San Jose will stay for less. Pitt does not need yet another centre…unless they are try to have the best 4Th line centre in the league? Sturm will not get you a 1st pick. I also think Wheeler will not cost that much to resign after an off year.

  22. cam7777 says:

    I said as much in the post, but I really don't beleive that will be the case.  Edmonton will finish dead last.  What you're going to see post-deadline is a bunch of teams call it a season, and start tanking hard.  Injuries will be prolonged, veterans still on the roster after trade deadline will be waived, rookies will be brought in to "see what they have".  All the while the Leafs will finish strong like they always do.  Even now I predict they end up giving the Bruins the 7th overall pick.

  23. cam7777 says:

    What about this bbruins:

    To DAL: Tim Thomas, Milan Lucic, 1st in 2010 (BOS)
    To BOS: Brenden Morrow, James Neal, Alex Auld

    L1: James Neal (4.25) – Marc Savard (4.02) – Michael Ryder (4.0)
    L2: Brenden Morrow (4.1) – Pat Bergeron (4.75) – Brad Marchand (0.822)
    L3: Marco Sturm (3.5) – David Krejci (3.75) – Blake Wheeler (3.0)
    L4: Shawn Thornton (0.75) – Vladimir Sobotka (1.0) – Byron Bitz (0.688)

    D1: Zdeno Chara (7.5) – Marc Stuart (2.25)
    D2: Dennis Wideman (3.875) – Matt Hunwick (1.425)
    D3: Johnny Boychuk (0.75) – Adam McQuaid (0.75)

    GT: Tuuka Rask (1.3) – Alex Auld (1.3)

    CAP HIT – 54.505 million

    Dallas fixes their goaltending for the next few years, and presumably trades Turco for a separate return at the deadline.  They swap Morrow for a much younger version of Morrow, and for that, they give up Neal and Auld for a high first rounder.  It doesn't save the team a lot of money in the short term, but long-term, they've added an affordable, high end prospect (the 1st), and also made room for Benn and Glennie to get more time in the top six.  Boston gets cap flexibility (invaluable right now), a sniper for Savard, a leader in Morrow, and a solid enough backup to challenge Rask continually.

    In Dallas:

    L1: Loui Eriksson (4.25) – Brad Richards (7.8) – Jamie Benn (0.822)
    L2: Milan Lucic (4.083) – Mike Ribeiro (5.0) – Scott Glennie (1.275)
    L3: Steve Ott (1.875) – Tom Wandell (0.875) – Fabian Brunnstrom (1.625)
    L4: ______UFA_______ – Brian Sutherby (0.925) – _____UFA__________

    D1: Stephane Robidas (3.3) – ______UFA___________
    D2: Trevor Daley (2.3) – Karlis Skrastins (1.375)
    D3: Nicklas Grossman (1.125) – Matt Niskanen (1.25)

    EX: Marc Fistric (1.0)

    GT: Tim Thomas (5.0) – _____UFA________

    CAP HIT – 41.93 million

    So they have lots of room left over to go shopping for the rest of their roster, and they'll likely finish the season with two pretty decent draft picks.  The cap room, plus those picks, should make the deal worth it for them.

  24. leafmeister says:

    I really doubt Dallas trades Morrow, not saying they arent getting a valuable package back in return, but Morrow is the heart and soul of that team.

  25. futurebruin says:

    Sorry about the Hossa mistake lol.  I was looking up FA's and I believed some idiot saying that Hossa was in a one year deal with Chicago.  Not sure why I did.  But with that mistake coming to light, get rid of the Sturm trade and Hossa signing, the lineup looks like:

    Marleau – Savard – Lucic
    Sturm – Bergeron – Wheeler
    Paille – Sobotka – Marchand
    Bitz – Begin/Hamill – Thornton

    Chara       Morris
    Wideman  Hunwick
    Boychuk    McQuaid

    Rask
    Sabourin

    And I added it all up earlier and with the Hossa mistake, it clocked in at about $53M, so subtract Hossa's $7M from that, and it's $46M, then add Sturm's salary(is it 3.5 or 4?) and it comes too about $49M or $50M.  That leaves them a bit of room to spend too.

  26. nordiques100 says:

    he is why doug maclean is doing hockey central at noon.

    maclean forced him into the NHL, not enough development and it cost him.

    he had injury issues too. here is a player who would have benefitted dominating in junior and playing at the WJC. maclean didnt release him for the camp and had him play 4 minutes a game as a 4th liner instead. after the tourney, the team sent him back to junior.

  27. hockeyhead says:

    you dont have a rebuttal?  whoa.

    let me shed some light   jim carey was once atop the goalie world.  trophies mean nothing.  looks like thomas and chara are far from repeating.  guess they are nowhere near hasek or lidstrom.

    thomas and his age are not going to help his crazy style.  that right there should of told PC to sign him for 2 years tops.

    the bruins have sabourin for a backup.  or they could easily pick up a qualified goalie to back up rask.

    the bruins will never beat NJ, Pitt or washington.  dump this season.  build on the youth and draft picks and be at it next year.

  28. broc says:

    I don't think you'd get the #1 pick overall for #6, #11, and a 2nd rounder.

  29. broc says:

    Marleau will probably want a career closing contract if he's signing for a low 6.2 mil cap hit contract. It will be much longer than 5 years if the money's going to be that low overall.

    Sturm won't get you a 1st.
    Crazy to trade Krejci for a 2nd.
    Tampa will be sending almost equal salary back if they trade for Thomas.

  30. reinjosh says:

    it actually did fit
    nice
    maybe add a couple mill to Marleau's salary
    the way he is playing hes gonna get it

  31. futurebruin says:

    Yea, I got bored during Study hall today so I made his salary about 7.5.  Here is what I've come up with.  This time it's finalized.

    ($8) Patrick Marleau_______ Marc Savard ($7)________ Milan Lucic ($4)

    ($3.5) Marco Sturm________ Patrice Bergeron ($5.75)______ Ray Whitney ($2)

    ($1.3) Daniel Paille_______ Vladmir Sobotka ($0.95) _______ Brad Marchand ($0.688)

    ($0.688) Byron Bitz_______ Zach Hamill ($65K)________ Shawn Thornton ($0.65)

    ($7.5) Zdeno Chara_______($3) Mark Stuart
    ($3.75) Dennis Wideman_____($1.55) Matt Hunwick
    ($0.875) Johnny Boychuk_____($0.875) Adam McQuaid

    Tuukka Rask ($1.3)
    Danny Sabourin ($0.675)

    Total Amount: $54.0575M

    Salary cap seems like it will hang in the area of like 56 or 55, right?  Either way, that's a good lineup and it will be a big step forward for the B's if they're serious about making a run at the Cup.

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