Enough of Buff and his gaffes and giveaways

It is time for some addition by subtraction: The Winnipeg Jets need to move Dustin Byfuglien and get the most they can for him.

Less Buff will be best for the Jets now and going forward.

Whether it’s at the trade deadline or this summer when the salary cap rises and loosens up the market, Jets GM Kevin Cheveldayoff has to do what he can to get a return for Byfuglien.

In the interim, coach Claude Noel should limit his minutes. The addiction to Byfuglien has to end. It’s killing the Jets and Noel’s future as head coach.

It’s impossible for the coach to preach system and puck management when one of his minutes leaders refuses to buy in. It’s time to stop thinking about Byfuglien’s potential and look at his reality. He’s a hazard.

But Lord, can he take your breath away, many will argue. He sure can, but the risk outweighs the reward when the present and future of this team are taken into account.

‘Not consistent. Not playing my top. Something I have to figure out myself’– Dustin Byfuglien, speaking Monday, about his performance on the weekend

Last season, it was easy to blame Byfuglien’s woes on his weight and lack of fitness. It was a mirage that I bought into. Playing in the neighbourhood of 300 pounds doesn’t help, but fitness or a lack thereof is not what primarily holds Byfuglien back. It’s his refusal to play responsible hockey.


42 Responses to Enough of Buff and his gaffes and giveaways

  1. realistic_leafs_fan says:

    This has nothing to do with Buff, but does have to do with trades. I was thinking about goalies (mainly our situation) and then got to thinking of Miller and where he might go. Got me thinking about Pitt.
    I am going to predict Miller to Pitt by the deadline, especially if Miller looks great in the Olympics.

    This will be the unexpected blockbuster deadline trade. Something like Miller to Pitt for Fleury and Despres. Buffalo reloads with youth and a future goalie. Pitt continues it’s “go for it” nature at playoff time. They then re-sign Miller longterm.

    Anyone else have any unexpected big trades that we haven’t heard about?
    For fun, we could all suggest one and see if anyone actually hits one.

  2. doorman says:

    I heard that the Sabres are willing to trade John Scott straight up for Subban, expecting Mtl to not even throw in a pick, lol.

    I had muttered on here earlier about trading Kadri for O’Reilly, then read on Hockeybuzz of all places, a Gardiner for ROR rumor.

  3. mapleleafsfan says:

    Holland sent down. Save the pick I guess. Honestly, I’d grab Zonopka off of waivers. He’s insane at faceoffs, really tough and might bring some energy. Couldn’t hurt our brutal PK, and is better than Smithson.

    • doorman says:

      Ya I don’t have a lot of respect for Zonopka as a person because of some previous interview comments, however he does leave it all on the ice.

      have to agree it has to be about saving the pick, which is kinda crappy for Holland.

      • mojo19 says:

        Zenon Konopka is a big angry dude. He actually would look pretty good on a line with McLaren and Orr.

      • reinjosh says:

        He’s actually a pretty smart dude. Buddy of mine has done business with him. He runs a health product company and did deals with Kenopka. He said Kenopka realized when he was in Junior that he wasn’t going to make it as a scorer (he was actually a pretty talented player in Junior) so he became a fighter to make it in the NHL.

        What comments were those?

        • doorman says:

          Do you remember him shooting his mouth at and about Mario? lol, there’s one for starters. like I said leaves it all on the ice, no argument there, that I respect.

  4. mojo19 says:

    But I would also take a run at Byfuglien. He doesn’t sound much different than Phaneuf to me.

    • mojo19 says:

      I should add, I’ve only seen parts of maybe 3-4 Jets games this year, and I haven’t noticed Byfuglien being a liability at all. In fact, he’s looked pretty impactful out there. Maybe its just me not seeing enough of him and the fact that he plays so many minutes, but I would definitely take a run at a gigantic, hard hitting dman who can put up huge numbers. Not to mention a right handed shot.

      • Gambo says:

        I’ve watched quite a few jets games and he’s so good offensively, but he makes so many bad giveaways, like really bad. And he takes a lot of bad penalties (from what i’ve seen). I’m not a fan of him at all. Much rather get a guy like Girardi.

      • reinjosh says:

        I’m a huge fan. I think he’s pretty underrated offensively and should be considered right up there with Karlsson among the elite offensive defenders in the league. He’s also a pretty strong possession player, which is something we could use on the back end.

        But he leads the NHL in GA while being on the ice in a 5 on 5 situation with 53 goals against. The next closest is Karlsson with 43 (Weber has 37, so to a certain extent, team comes into it in a big way). He takes a lot of penalties too, but he’s pretty decent at drawing them, and he’s one of the most succesful players on the ice for Goals For in 5 on 5 situations.

        He’s pretty talented, and I think he could be an intriguing player to play with Phaneuf. The way Phaneuf has played defensively this year, if Byfuglien is deployed properly and his game managed a little bit more (so you don’t have to depend on him as much defensively like Winnipeg does), I really think he could be incredibly dangerous, even moreso than now.

    • leafs_wallace93 says:

      I wouldn’t mind him either if the price is right however Toronto’s fanbase has such a stick up their collective ass they couldn’t enjoy watching a team with him on it. People would demand a rebuild the second he turned over the puck more than once a game.

    • mapleleafsfan says:

      Based off of what Chevy wanted for Kane, I imagine the price would be ridiculous.

  5. leafs_wallace93 says:

    I said JML was still decent defenseman. Caryle decided he wasn’t an NHL player and it cost Nonis. Carolina got the better end of that deal. I’m on board, fire my local boy Caryle (he does have a great reputation in his hometown though, character person).

    • mapleleafsfan says:

      Something’s gotta change eh, this is a trainwreck. I am completely convinced with the talent on the team we should be in a playoff spot. I don’t know what’s wrong, but something’s really gotta change.

      • LN91 says:

        You convinced yourself on a shortened season, on a team game that was viewed unsustainable.

        I called this after the 4-1 Minnesota win!

        • mapleleafsfan says:

          With upgraded Goaltending and center depth. Don’t see how they wouldn’t improve. I still believe they should be better. But something’s clearly wrong.

        • leafs_wallace93 says:

          I love those fan that just hate everything top to bottom and when things are going bad it’s ‘well I’ve been saying this for so long, cause I’m a genius’.

          How is you’re boy Franson doing? You know that ‘must sign’ from the off season he’s maybe the biggest part of the tumor on this roster.

          So let’s play surgeons moving forward…


          Bozak is producing, is he better than Kadri long term? One of the two will most likely have to fill the 2nd line role.

          Clarky isn’t going anywhere, Lupul is the only guy on this roster that cares each night, Kadri? I’d keep him over Bozak

          Replace Raymond (does this guy still exist?) with Koromov

          Let the new coach make his request for personal

          Phaneuf Gunnersson
          …. Phaneuf if a top four on a contending team IMO, he can be made to fit

          Reilly – Gardiner
          Patience should pay off

          Franson – Ranger/Fraser
          Kill’em all IMO, is Franson a top four o a good team? He’s like the Clarke MacAuthur of the blueline, a few timely goals but overall awful. We lost the Ledba trade IMO.

          I wouldn’t mind a push for Ryan Miller and use the former tandem as trade chips.

          Untouchables IMO are Gardiner, Rielly, Kessel, JVR, Bolland and Lupul. Put everyone else in play.

          • LN91 says:

            Uhmm, I never liked Franson..I never liked an immobile Phaneuf, so why would I like Franson? Nice try though!!!

            I’m pretty sure I, other educated people in this forum, and probably fans of 29 other teams predicted this outcome! Once again, nice try.

            I apologize if I’m not a MLSE puppet…I just look at reality.

            • leafs_wallace93 says:

              Lol, puppet, ok there debbie, a lot of criticism and no solutions.

              And you did spend the summer sucking off Franson on this forum.

              • LN91 says:

                Ughh, no I did not…Nice try though princess!!!

                Lol, I can tell you’re upset so go cry in a corner.

                Promote that wasteland you call home.

                • leafs_wallace93 says:

                  Whose’s upset (isn’t that the emotion you live in?), cute for you to project thought. Big talk from someone who whines political correctness over a Brendan Burke joke.

                  You’re the one that cries over Kadri, Phaneuf, Clarkson, Franson? Yet Franson and Kadri were ‘must signs’ and you wanted Franson on a four year deal while you whined, moaning and sobbed over the Clarkson signing (I get that you have issues with masculine players).

                  Wasteland? Clever… :O

                  • LN91 says:

                    No, I like winning players. Clearly, that’s not present here. Kadri sucks, Giordano is viewed more highly in this league then Phaneuf, Franson is a terrible skater, Kadri was always a player of issues, and Clarkson was a terrible signing…You know nothing about the game, if you claim that Clarkson has brought masculinity because the Leaf squad is the easiest in the league to play against.

                    Learn something, leave the swamp. You criticize a true rebuild, yet most fans within the confines of TORONTO would prefer it over this crappy ass squad that was built.

                    Brendan Burke is dead, and respectable man. Yeah, it was not funny…If you want to say a joke, atleast make it funny. You’re dumb.

                    • leafs_wallace93 says:

                      You’re dumb, DERRRRPPPPP

                      I suppose anyone who disagrees with you must love love love losing players. What like a totally sophisticated argument you have there.

                      I don’t know anything and you know everything…. (golf claps your infantile solipsism).

                      I didn’t ‘claim Clarkson brings masculinity’ I was making fun of you, you’re too autistic to make the distinction.

                      You’re just a generic dahhhh tank nation, duhhhh top three dwaft pick. Gimme a top twee dafty pick moron. THE LEAFS ARE NEVER GOING TO DELIBERATELY TANK DUMBASS. You still want to lecture me on reality? Why don’t you face it. Look at the history of this organization, you know context. You think they’ll tank coming off a playoff year? MLSE, is going to tank? That’s your solution? LOLOLOLOL… and cry ever second they don’t, you’re license to tantrum and call yourself a genius for it. It’s you, you figured out that tanking thing. You smart mark you…

                      Hey genius… pssttt, you don’t represent most fans, you’re a fringe internet obsessive nutjob. That’s ok, I get it, but you don’t represent the majority of Leaf Nation. Neither do I for that matter, but I at least understand how the organization works and don’t omit it from my analysis of the team.

                      Don’t make a joke about a dead person you never met? Don’t run in the hallways, respect your elders… otherwise debbie gets upset.

                      Swamp, lol, is sumwon cranky?

                      You’re wit and point of view is so f’ing edifying, educate me genius 🙂

                    • LN91 says:

                      Lol, tantrum because you know you’re wrong and been proven wrong a million of times. Keep it coming swampy!!!


    • leafy says:

      We’ve got nothing to lose. Carlyle is not the Pope. Fire him! You never know, things could change right away, like New Jersey when they sacked John MacLean while in last place and then almost made the playoffs with Jacques Lemiere.

      • LN91 says:

        Yeah, Carlyle is the obvious scapegoat for this squad and this forum.

        However…He has tried everything and has received little response. Carlyle, in his career, is a successful and no-nonsense coach.

        This entire season is a true testament to the character and leadership from the players within that dressing room. Carlyle might be the scapegoat, but they are the ones who truly embarrassed themselves this season.

        • Philly was the same way. Their players were truly embarrassing this season. Played with no heart, no leadership, no character, and it took a coach getting sacked for them to put some effort on the ice. Maybe it was the coach and not the players, but sometimes it takes a coach getting sacked to wake a team up.

  6. lafleur10 says:

    Sometimes when Leafs suck, the honesty’s too much…


  7. leafy says:

    I swear to God, I’d do a better job coaching the Leafs, and I’ve only played diaper level hockey.

  8. Gambo says:

    Cody Franson needs Chara as his partner. He’s such a liability on defense. Shame that someone with the offensive talent like him has negative defensive talent.

    • leafs_wallace93 says:

      Two goals in game seven, though he did hand Boston the first goal of that game is the Cody Franson story. He’s a taller Ian White, just deal him already.

      • realistic_leafs_fan says:

        Franson has made his mistakes for sure. I would like to see him get mad, just once! But the whole D has sucked. This is the way everyone seems to look at it…Reilly makes errors and doesn’t produce, but he gets a pass cause he is 19. Gardiner the same, makes some good offensive plays, but defensively he’s poor, but skating and age gives him a pass. Ranger inconsistent, get rid of him. Gunnar is great. IMO he has not been the defensive beast some give him credit for. Without Dion, Gunnar looks terrible, but people love the guy anyway. IMO,Fraser and Gleason may make a decent 3rd pairing, but do not solve the problems in the top 4. Dion has been the only one who looks solid this year, but he has not been spectacular by any means.

        Deal Franson for what though? How will that solve the fact that our D is just not good enough? We are not getting a top 4 up grade by moving Franson. He has the most hits and the most points and he is only 26 at $2mil per…how do we improve by moving him if we are not getting an upgrade back?

        The sad thing is that even though he is not overly physical, Franson leads the team in hits! What does that say about this team?
        What happened to Kessel’s compete level he showed last year?
        Why does Lupul have to get mad before he turns his game up a notch?
        Where is Orr and his fighting/intimidation gone? Does he even hit anymore?
        Bozak is inconsistent. Kadri has been brutal. Kulimen cycles every once in a while but otherwise invisible. Raymond is a nice $1mil addition but soft as warm bread. Dion is on pace for less than 30 points and only hits when he gets mad. What happened to this teams compete level?

        What has happened to the tough to play against Leafs? Where is the heart? Where is the pride?

        Trade Franson. Still won’t solve a thing, because as a team…they don’t care enough right now.

    • leafy says:

      I beg to differ on this one. It’s true Franson is playing horrible defensively, but I wouldn’t touch this roster until Carlyle is gone. It’s just a poisoned environment right now and even the goalies are finding it hard to elevate their play. Heck even the best players like Kessel, JVR and Lupul have sucked lately. I say leave the roster alone unless you can make a great deal with Edmonton or something like that.

  9. mapleleafsfan says:

    I really struggle to see the logic in bringing up Carter Ashton to play fourth line C, and having a useless fourth line that plays less than 4 minutes a night. It just makes no sense. It can’t be that hard to grab an actual 4th line C who can at least play 8-10 a night and take a little bit of pressure off of the other lines. We really need Bolland back so we can slide McClement down into that spot where he actually has an impact. He’s not doing well as a 3C.

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