Comments on: Cammalleri numbers revealed?

By: my_sphincter

my_sphincter — Mon, 13 Aug 2007 12:07:26 +0000

I am just saying… don't criticize others for what you do yourself. I have no problem with the comment, really. It just looks to me like you were trying to start something after moaning in another thread about people doing exactly the same thing. That is all.

By: JuicemaN

JuicemaN — Fri, 10 Aug 2007 20:17:01 +0000

It was a little bit of everything…avery and I have butted heads before and it was my way of saying “you always swear” and “good for you for keeping it clean” there’s no need to dig into it.

By: my_sphincter

my_sphincter — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 20:10:47 +0000

Nice condescending way to say it if that is what you meant.

By: JuicemaN

JuicemaN — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 12:39:20 +0000

Dude…settle down….maybe relax!

By: JuicemaN

JuicemaN — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 10:46:32 +0000

that was a simple joking tease...I didn't jump in and say "what are you some kind of retard you f*cking idiot a$$hole moron" like others do.

It was my way of saying "good job Avery, you posted without going overboard."

By: my_sphincter

my_sphincter — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 09:40:07 +0000

Wasn't it you who was recently whining and moaning about people trying to "start things" and about people not talking hockey here? Seems to me that Avery made a valid hockey comment.

So what you are saying is "do as I say, not as I do"!

That truely does fit the definition of a hypocrite.

By: Shorts_Pimp

Shorts_Pimp — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 09:39:03 +0000

As well, please don't use the excuse of a high spending team as an excuse. The reason why LA didn't have the same amount of money to spend as Toronto, is because they haven't been around the league as long, and haven't had near as much success. It's part of the game, so suck it up. The fans in LA have given up on the team, and won't return until it is a legitimate cup contender. That's how the U.S. works. They knew it when they opened a franchise in that city. No sense in crying about it now. Move the franchise to Canada, I bet it'll get a bit more fan support.

And your prospect analysis. Mine is flawed?

-Pogge, by far, dominates Bernier
-I'll take Kronwall over Ryan any day
-Kulemin was rookie of the year in the Russian Elite League, and has just as much potential as Frolov
-O'Sullivan easily beats out Tlusty (Yes, I know he's from the Kings - you cannot compare the two)
-Stralman is a better prospect than Boyle and Petiot combined (most ice time and top pairing in the World's and Swedish Elite League - I've already stated my displeasures with Boyle, and will nto repeat them) P.S. if you don't know how to evaluate a players heart (meaning grit) you really need to, rather, start watching basketball
-Tukonen is SHIT. So unbelievably SHIT. Mee Krob worthy. To compare him to Steen or Stajan is a joke
-Jack Johnson and Hickey will DEFINITELY be excellent players, I agree
-Dustin Brown, as good as Ponikarovski? WHAT? Are you mad? Poni only started playing at his best mid-way through the season when he was paired with Antropov and Sundin. As well, please do not underestimate Ponikarovski's skills in the defensive zone.
-Pohl, while not a prospect, is just plain nasty. He has a ridiculous amount of skill, and kill it in the shootout/penalty shots. If he was on any line, besides the fourth line, he could easily be one of Toronto's top scorers.
-Were forgetting Robbie Early, who will skate circles around any one of these prospects. Lightningly quick.

By: Shorts_Pimp

Shorts_Pimp — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 09:22:10 +0000

Well it seems like this has become quite a subjective account of talent, with me criticizing LA's, and you criticizing Toronto's. Somehow, I doubt your true enthusiasm or loyalty towards the Maple Leafs organization, but I think it's quite propostrous to compare a club which has been in the league for 40 years, and only been in a conference final once, to a team who has been around for 90+years. We have Stanley Cups (13 times: the second most - only behind montreal - something LA does not), and to accuse players such as Red Kelly, Dave Keon, Terry Sawchuck, Borje Salming, and all the other players who were members of the Maple Leafs Organization, which I mentioned, average or declining talent, is a baseless claim. These players are hall-of-famer's, with several Stanley Cup's under their belts, who had grit along with skill, which is what truly makes a great player. It's not how many goals or points you can score, but when you can score them, and how you can single handedly lead your team to a championship. Statistics are important, but they usually do not tell a detailed story.

As for prospects. I guess we can bicker all we want, but only the coming seasons will tell. Although I think it's quite a long shot to compare several prospects in the LA organization, who are still playing in the minor leagues, to Maple Leaf prospects, who are already playing in the NHL. And just to close. Comparing Cammaleri to Wellwood wouldn't exactly be the best choice, as, Cammaleri has more NHL experience, and has only reached this 80 point plateau once (his previous high being 50-something points). Kyle Wellwood is just beginning to develop, having only played 48 games last year, and scoring 42 points, and was at one time a higher scorer than Jason Spezza in the minors (and I don't think anyone would argue that Jason Spezza is a better player than Mike Cammaleri). Although I don't expect Wellwood to become a Jason Spezza, I believe he definitely has the potential to become a number one, play-making center, capable of competing with number posted by the best in the NHL. Although I do think Cammaleri is a good player, I believe he is overrated, and his statistics are inflated by the reliance and amount of ice time the organization has given him, due to the lack of talent and success the LA Kings have had in the last couple of seasons.

P.S. no need for the saucy attitude about me not stating my requirements in my previous post. Notice in my response I stated that I had made a mistake.

By: leaffansareajoke

leaffansareajoke — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 19:43:31 +0000

Lol not you...

AlltheKINGSmen.

By: I_hate_LA

I_hate_LA — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 15:22:42 +0000

That's what he's supposed to get, but Edmonton's offer to Penner makes it look like a bargain. LA still sucks and will continue sucking for another century mark my words. LA is cursed and will never win.