Add another practice scuffle to P.K. Subban’s resume.

The Montreal Canadiens’ talented young defenceman was involved in his fourth skirmish with a teammate this season at practice Thursday.

After altercations with Tomas Plekanec, Mathieu Darche and Louis Leblanc, the latest spat came against David Desharnais.

Subban dumped his teammate to the ice and as Desharnais got up, he cross-checked and slashed Subban.

Other players stepped in before the confrontation got out of hand.

After practice, Andrei Kostitsyn quipped that everyone wants to fight Subban, adding that every spat at Habs practice seems to involve the hard-hitting defenceman.


  1. TheLeafNation91 says:

    Well, a generational talents needs to prove he's generational.

    Honestly, this guys a joke, a team cancer…And people are starting to realize it. Some say he should be traded to Edmonton for their first, F*** that, good player…But he will bring the franchise down with him.

    I actually feel bad for the Habs players. Especially Desharnais who has worked his ass off this year. But hey? Desharnais is 5 foot 7, so I guess he's perfect size for Subban to fight.

    Also…I like how the article says "Every spat at Habs practice seems to involve the hard-hitting defencema" Is that a joke? The guys soft a lot of the time.

  2. TheLeafNation91 says:

    So, besides Rick Nash, the available player is pretty much empty.

    The best players that could be available would be Grabovski, Hemsky and Kostitsyn.

    And out of the 3…Grabo is the best, so the return should be pretty high.

    Trade him, if he wants over 5 million for 5 years thats ridiculous. Sell now before losing him for shit all.

  3. hockey_lover says:

    I dont know how exactly define a "locker room cancer." This isnt me calling you out or anything. Im just saying. I dont think PK is a cancer … I think he is a punk ass kid who believes into his own hype (kind of like Ovie, really). Does that make a cancer? I dont know .. maybe.  I think he is just a pain in the ass kid who has to grow up. Once he does that, I think he'll be fine.

    Oh .. he's also NOT a generational talent, despite what Mtl fans say 😛

    I was thinking the same thing on the "hard hitting." He isnt a wussy on the ice but he is hardly punishing guys like Scott Stevens.

  4. thisgamewelose says:

    At first I thought the leafs shouldn't even consider trading him unless it's a huge package deal, but if the rumor 25/5 is really not close to what he wants, then you have to ship him out. 

  5. TheLeafNation91 says:

    No, no offence taken. I agree with everything you said.

    But when he's causing all these issues and Kostitsyn says that everyone wants to kill him…How is that not "team cancer"? It really does hurt your team…Will he ever grow up? That's the question.

  6. TheLeafNation91 says:

    I agree…Especially so many players I would rather have is making a lot less money then he is.

  7. hockey_lover says:

    I know burke has said he just doesnt want to make the playoffs, he wants to go deep. But you have to GET there first. Trading Grabo is essentially writing off any chances of doing that. The 2nd line has been struggling recently and trading the best player on the line is a huge step back for this season.

    Is he worth $5mil? Hard to say. Neal just signed for $5mil and Ruutu signed for $4.75.  Id say they are equivalent in terms of goals scored but Grabo has a bit of a higher point per game number.   So, I suppose $5mil isnt THAT unreasonable.

    Also .. in terms of pure talent, no, Grabo isnt the best. Hemsky has way more talent than Grabo. The problem? Hemsky is made of glass and missed about 25 games a season on average. On a full season though, Hemsky is a WAY better bet than Grabo. Sorry.

  8. hockey_lover says:

    Ah ok… just wanted to make sure you didnt think I was calling you out on "cancer" or anything.

    I didnt read that part. Ok, fair enough. If thats true that the entire team wants to knock his rocker off, then yeah, thats not a good thing.

    Im hoping he will. I think he DOES have the potential to be a top 5 guy in the league. He just needs to let his play do the talking and not his mouth. Watch the "questionable" stuff and if he does that, it'll come together for him.

  9. Boston_Bruins says:

    There are certainly vibes that he could be a cancer but I guess we can never know unless we're in that locker room. Going off his interviews and play he's obviously *****y and intense, but he seems very personable. One of the best interviews in the league.

  10. hockey_lover says:

    If the stared out word is cokcy, then yes, he is. He shouldnt be though. He has done NOTHING to be *****y about.

    A dude like Thomas .. HE can be a bit of an ego. Undrafted, comes into the league at 35, plays really well, has a "meh" year, has some surgery and BLAMO, wins a cup by having one of the best statistical seasons ever. At an age when most guys cant. THATS something to be egotistical about.

    A guy like Ovie who BLASTS onto the scene and is scoring like wildfire. THATS something to be cokcy about.

    PK hasnt done anything to be that egomanical over.

    BTW .. just to clarify .. Im not saying these guys SHOULD have ego's. Im saying .. if you ARE gonna have one, back it up. Otherwise, be humble until you get there.

  11. TheLeafNation91 says:

    I agree…But his injury woes has unfortunately knocked his value down ALOT. As well, his performance this year and return from surgery (I believe) has not been promising.

    So I'm basing this on talent, health, etc. As well, Grabo's a C so he might get more attention for that.

    Tuomo's contract has driven his price up…I don't think he's worth over 5 million dollars, but he does and he wnats years on that…Something Burke won't give.

    As well, the second-line has been bad…But we do have Connolly, not as good as Grabo, but it isn't a substantial step back.

    If he wants to make a deal, he can dothat in the offseason…If negotiations are far apart like they are saying, then no oint of keeping him until the end of the season.

  12. Boston_Bruins says:

    Fair enough. You could also look at it as confidence though, I suppose. You don't necessarily have to have a huge track record to be confident in your abilities.

  13. Boston_Bruins says:

    I thought this trade deadline would suck but it looks like it's really heating up now.

    Or maybe I'm just watching too much TSN.
  14. 93killer93 says:

    Just some rumors i wanted to bring up…

    From Darren Dreger:
    Boyce and Rosehill on waivers helps clear room for the Leafs to made a deal. Also allows to call someone up if needed.
    Busy day ahead. Leafs will push CBJ to make decision on Nash. Would like to know by tomorrow. NYR will likely do the same. Brown is plan B.
    From Pierre Lebrun:
    BOS, BUF, EDM, NJD, NYR, PHI, TOR, VAN are amongst teams interest in Brown.
    One source told that the Kings would like to get defenseman Luke Schenn and highly touted forward prospect Matt Frattin from the Leafs in a Brown deal.
    Leafs would be willing to do a straight swap of Schenn for Brown
  15. KingCanada says:

    Nah I dono, all the players are being traded before the deadline…not going to be too many left if you ask me.

    Im sure you will see plenty of depth players moving for mid/late round picks tho.  Nothing huge…IMO Nash stays until the draft…such a huge cap number to move mid season.

  16. Boston_Bruins says:

    I'd love to get Brown on the Bruins but if the Leafs are willing to give up pieces like Schenn, I don't see how the Bruins could realistically keep up.

  17. TheLeafNation91 says:

    Frattin reminds me a lot of Brown…I would hate giving him up…Tough decision.

  18. KingCanada says:

    Schenn for Brown is nearly fair if you ask me! 

    Adding Frattin might be a little much if you ask me.  I still think that kid is the real deal and just needs a lil more time (its his first pro season afterall).

    Rather include a draft pick instead.  Or a B level prospect ala Greg McKegg/Sondre Olden/Josh Nicholls/Jesse Blacker/Brad Ross ect (I hope its not Ross tho but wtv)

  19. dumbassdoorman says:

    Wonder if Burke could swing a bigger deal and land Brown and Bernier? Might be worth giving up what needs to be, lol, though someone will b!tch brown is American, IF, note I said if, he were aqcuired, I can see it now…lol

  20. TheLeafNation91 says:

    I agree.

    Fattin is the real deal, he's been on a scoring tear for the Marlies, even though he was not an offensive god when he was with Toronto, I enjoyed watching him play and would love to call him up again.

    Hits, scores, pretty solid hitter, speedster…I like him.

  21. 93killer93 says:

    Also did anyone read the TSN article about the draft.  Pretty harsh on Grigorenko. A couple teams have lost interest in him because of his compete level. One scout went as far to say.  If we pick at 25 and he's available we go by him. Another said his team won't pick him no matter where they end up in the standings.    

  22. KingCanada says:

    I was definatly thinking the same thing but then thats when the Leafs start paying a large amount…

    To Toronto: Dustin Brown, Jonathan Bernier
    To LA: Luke Schenn, Jonas Gustavsson/goalie prospect, Matt Frattin/Naz Kadri, 1st round pick
    So depending on what their asking thats some risky business and were back in the same boat of what it would cost to acquire Rick Nash.

    Not sure what Id prefer..

    Rick Nash > Dustin Brown/Jon Bernier ???

  23. KingCanada says:

    I've never seen someone hit so many posts and crossbars in my life!! 

    His stats truly dont reflect his quality of play!!

  24. Boston_Bruins says:

    That's pretty insane. I mean, they wouldn't even take him for trade bait? lol

  25. dumbassdoorman says:

    Right now, ya Nash is better, but if and it is always IF, Bernier devolops as expected and becomes a true #1, then I would take them over Nash, not to mention salary cap saved for a while yet.

  26. KingCanada says:

    Cant find the article sadly but wow thats surprising!!

    Do we have another Nik Zherdev? Nikita Filatov?

    Or maybe he puts his critics to rest and goes lower to a contender and plays well.  Like…

    Kuznetsov, Tarasenko, Cherapanov RIP

    Whats an NHL draft without the Russian X factor??? 😉

  27. thisgamewelose says:

    You ass! For the rest of the day I'm going to have this stuck in my head

    "I got a big ego, such a huge ego.  But he loves my big ego, it's too much. I walk like this 'cause I can back it up."  Beyonce – ego
  28. 93killer93 says:

    Here's the link. It talks about the risers and fallers from this draft.

    It said while he has a lot of points, he gets them against the weaker teams and does not perform against the stronger teams.  
  29. HABSSTAR says:

    Did you actually watch this on TSN?  It was nothing.  Christ I've seen more "fight" in most pickup leagues.

  30. KingCanada says:

    Any money on Colombus picking him up?  They are just the worst at drafting lol. 

    Altho they might be excused this year if they get the 1st overall and pick Yakupov.

  31. MystifoLeafs says:

    I am not sold on this honestly. If Grigorenko fell into Torontos lap at the draft and Burke selected him I would be pumped. While he has the potential to be a "Zherdev." He has also been compared to the likes of "Malkin." Skill wise so that would be a reason to take a shot.

  32. 93killer93 says:

    I hope he doesn't fall. I really don't want Columbus to pull a miracle and somehow get both of them. Whether it's with LA's pick or if they get another one from the Nash trade.  

  33. 93killer93 says:

    From the way people are talking about him it sounds a lot like Kabanov from last year. Top 3 player heading a year in, lots of offensive skill. Falls drastically. I hope it doesn't happen. 

  34. hockey_lover says:

    Youre right .. in and of itself, this incident really was "nothing." But its a symptom of a bigger problem. Does it not trouble you at ALL that this is the 4th or 5th encounter with a teammate at practice?

    Take your habs blinders off for one second and answer this question honestly. If news came out that Malkin got into their 3rd or 4th altercation with a teammate, what would you and most people say? "Oh f'n russian players."  If it was Sid? "Oh there goes Sid the crybaby again."  

    PK has the goods to be an all star. But right now, all he is showing is that he is a punk kid with a big mouth who is getting on everyone's nerves. He's like Jagr when he was younger .. tons of talent but a big jerk off.

  35. hockey_lover says:

    I agree with you on their comparative values if you take out the health issue. Without a doubt. Hemsky is a piece of fine china, to say the least.   Just in terms of overall talent, Hemsky takes it for sure.  Also, isnt Phaneuf the C?

    Yeah its funny .. I think that Tuomo is a bit overpaid but not crazily so.

  36. TheLeafNation91 says:

    Center…Not a captain.

    Usually C's are more appealing then wingers.

  37. hockey_lover says:

    HA!  Wow. Totally missed that one. Oops.

  38. habs79 says:

    "highly touted forward prospect Matt Frattin"? Really? The guy is 24 years old and has 38 NHL games. He's not exactly lighting the AHL of fire either.

  39. HABSSTAR says:

    Is Malkin's team having a shit year like the Habs are in your scenario? 

    I'm not saying he isn't acting like a punk.  However what I'm also tired of is how everyone's been on him since he came into the league.  Hell, he gets in shit for fighting with his team, he was getting in shit last year for standing up for his team when the Sire of Respect, Mike Richards, called him out for that. 

    What has me pissed off most is that apparently there has been no one on the team that has just thumped him.  Maybe that's the biggest problem… he's running his mouth and getting away with it cause no one can/will stop him. 

  40. LeafsNation4Ever says:

    Guess you never watch him play

  41. TheLeafNation91 says:

    16 points in 21 games…12 of them goals? I'm pretty sure thats solid.

    As well, yeah he's 24…But that's because he developed in the NCAA and is a good two-way forward.

    Not a great offensive player, but he would be valuable prospect on any roster.

  42. hockey_lover says:

    If everyone is on him .. maybe there is a reason? Im sure there are people that have gotten on the bandwagon without knowing the truth but where there is smoke there is fire.

    I think you are absolutely 100% right. Someone on the Habs absolutely has to knock this kid on his ass and humble him a bit. I think once a veteran like Gill or something, punks him out .. it may be one of those things where it snaps him out of his little world.

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