CBC Thinks that the Leafs will have to eat part of Liles contract

At some point, the Maple Leafs are going to have to ask themselves if it would help their cap situation to eat some of John-Michael Liles’s salary in a trade with another team. The thing they must be careful with is a club can only do this with three players per season. They are now at two, taking small amounts of Ben Scrivens’s and Matt Frattin’s contracts. Doing it with Liles locks them in.


34 Responses to CBC Thinks that the Leafs will have to eat part of Liles contract

  1. mojo19 says:


    Leafs beat Ottawa 5-1 tonight. Sens are going DOWN!

    • leafy says:

      Could have been 5-1 if Reimer was Reimer. That was the worst game I’ve ever seen him play.

      • mojo19 says:

        That was typical Reimer. He’s usually a bit better than that, but those huge rebounds are always there, they just don’t always wind up in the back of the net.

        Don’t get me wrong, I like James Reimer, but I think this situation will be similar to when we upgraded from Potvin to Cujo.

  2. Gambo says:

    Bernier just won him self the starting job, or Reimer lost it, however you like to look at it. What a game by Bernier.

    Kadri and Franson looked terrible, Ranger didn’t look that good and Gardiner doesn’t seem comfortable at all on the right side.

    Another good game by Raymond and Bolland, two huge pickups. First line looked good, JVR especially. I liked what I saw out of Rielly, even though he was -3 it didn’t seem like his fault for any of them. A bad turnover, but we have to expect that out of a 19 year old. I’m pleased with what I saw from him overall.

    Phaneuf looked really good again. Can the “Phaneuf haters” agree that he’s been impressive the first 3 games? There are attempts of rioting him out of town when he has a bad play, just curios to see if he gets any credit when he plays well.

    • leafy says:

      I like this team. In general, I love teams that can fill the net. This team can certainly do that.

      The defensive game will take care of itself, I believe. Plenty of talent on the back end. But the offensive weapons, size, speed, and goaltending make this a dangerous team.

    • mojo19 says:

      I think Rielly looked really good. He was definitely a bit nervous early, and he made a couple bad plays, but it was his 1st NHL game, as a 19 year old defenceman. Overall, you have to be happy with his play.

      Ya, Bolland was outstanding and Raymond shows what he’s capable of as well.

      Dion Phaneuf played really well again tonight, no question. He has looked good so far this season (knock on wood).

      Only thing I disagree with Gambo, is Kadri looking terrible. I thought he was okay, he had a couple flashes in the game. I cut him some slack because he’s not getting used a ton. I think he was down around 15 minutes last night vs Bozak (over 24 mins) and Bolland (18-19). So he Kadri didn’t show a lot last night and he looked out of place a couple times, but it is harder to get involved in a game when you’re getting used less.

      • LN91 says:

        Kadri has for the most part, been pretty invisible through. They have limited his ice-time because of it.

        Defensively, all 6/7 guys have been a mess at some-time this season. I’m assuming it’s some early-season mistakes since it looks more like dis-organization rather then actual skill.

        I’m actually a bit surprised on how un-organized the team has been in a whole, maybe it takes a while for all the new players to gel together I guess.

      • realistic_leafs_fan says:

        C’mon Mojo, Kadri 2pts, -3 and he deserves to be cut slack, but Grabo 4pts +0 and it’s…”that’s right, on for 4 goals against! see ya, have fun Grabo”…wearing the extra thick blue and white glasses maybe.LOL
        I know you’re trying to defend Kadri, but Kadri has not been very good and his ice-time the past two games are a reflection of that. under 16 mins, 2pts and a -3 with over 3 mins PP time is not what Carlyle wants to see out of Nazem I don’t think. Kadri has to get his himself straightened out IMO.

        • leafy says:

          You guys can correct me if I’m wrong, but Kadri wasn’t the same after he took a hard shot on his hand in an exhibition game. It’s possible his hand isn’t 100%.

          • realistic_leafs_fan says:

            Very possible and I hope that’s it. I think it is more likely a little attitude adjustment needed again and that teams are prepared for him now. No more flying under the radar for Kadri. People forget it was Grabo’s offensive presence on the team playing the harder minutes that allowed Kadri to fly under the radar. Teams look at Bolland as more defensive and less of an offensive threat, which means teams are more focused defensively on Nazem now and he will have to learn to play against tougher defensive competition.

        • mojo19 says:

          I never mentioned Kadri’s production, I just said he’s shown a couple flashes. This guy hasn’t been in the league long. Grabo turns 30 this year, he is what he is. Huge difference.

    • toronto77 says:

      As a Phaneuf hater, I can agree that he has played well so far.

      As for Gardiner, I don’t know whats happened. He picked up in the pre-season exactly where he left off in the playoffs by dominating offensively. Then the regular season started and he lost a bit of his skill.

  3. leafs_wallace93 says:

    Everybody loves Bollands? He’s always been like a latter career Gilmour, he was has presence despite playing a depth role. More pest than skill but I hope to see him sign a long extension in Toronto.

    He’s a beast, shame on everyone that wrote him because of a few online Blackhawk fans called him a shell of his former self. Chicago fans run down the spare peices they shed via trade, Byfuglien couldn’t play defense, Ladd wouldn’t ever become anything, Campbell wasn’t a top pairing defenseman… though they speak well of Versteeg… how big hockey IQ in Chicago.

    • realistic_leafs_fan says:

      Nonis did say Bolland would get a chance at a bigger role here than in Chicago and Carlyle is giving him more ice as he earns it. As for the Hawks fans, no different than Leaf fans, or Flames fans or etc etc etc.
      Sometimes I wonder how sold Leaf brass is on Kadri…attitude wise. I know it’s early in the season, but I am more referring to the re-sign of Bozak and the trade for Bolland which came with the statement that he would play a bigger role here. Management would also not commit long term to Kadri like Buffalo did with Hodgson or NJ with Henrique(I know different cap situations). Add to that, the sometimes publically bitter statements by Kadri during contract negotiations, the almost benching of him in game 2, followed by reduced ice and role in game 3.
      Kadri has always been considered to have a bit of an attitude problem. His off-ice conditioning has been questioned by both Eakins and Wilson. He is still very young and seems to still be very immature mentally by hockey standards. Talent is not in question, but attitude still is I think.
      I have to wonder at times if Bolland is not basically on an audition of sorts with the Leafs for a bigger role because management are unsure if Kadri will continue to develop into a true 1-2 or if he will be one of those guys that never reaches potential due to their own over-confidence and sense of self worth.(see Brandon Convery…closest comparison of Leaf top picks)
      Management is trying to show Kadri he has to earn it with on ice work ethic and off-ice as well as in terms of money it has to be constantly earned. Where as Kadri’s comments during contract negotiations suggest he feels he’s already done that.
      Anyhow, in some ways I think Bolland and Kadri are on one year try-outs and if Bolland shows he can actually be a solid number 2 centre, it makes me wonder what the plans for kadri become. I’m not saying they will definitely try and trade him, I just think this year is pivotal for both Bolland and Nazem.

      • LN91 says:

        Nah, I doubt Kadri goes anywhere…But Bolland should be a priority to be signed.

        Mason Raymond should walk, I feel like there will always be his type of contracts out there each year to fill in the third-line.

      • mojo19 says:

        Kadri got 2 years, similar to Stepan in NY. Good for Nonis for sticking his guns. I don’t think a bridge contract is any reason to suspect anything in this case.

        • realistic_leafs_fan says:

          The bridge contract is a minor part of it as I alluded to, but it is a part of it as other teams were willing to make the commitment to their young players. I am also glad Nonis stuck to his guns.
          Fact still is that the Leafs have (4) 2nd/3rd line centremen. Kadri, Bozak, Bolland could all be second line centres possibly and McClement is good enough to be a third.
          We stacked the wings in our top 9 to make up for the lack of top end skill at centre, but that only works if those centremen are cheap enough to allow to spend the extra cap space on the wings and other areas. What happens if Bolland wants $4+ and then Kadri wants $5+ in another year? Something may have to give.

    • blaze says:

      Ill eat crow on Bolland, although I liked the move I wasn’t sure what kind of Bolland we would see.

      Carlyle bumping Bolland up to match up against Lecavalier instead of Kadri likely won the game.

      Bolland will be more effective in his role than the tried to force Grabo to be.

  4. leafy says:

    The Star strongly insinuates that a Jake Gardiner for Luca Sbisa trade might be a possibility. Very tempting.

    • realistic_leafs_fan says:

      It would make more sense to me if they were trading Gardiner to move him for a more defensive minded RHD then a similar guy to Gardiner. But, who knows.

      • leafy says:

        I heard another guy that can be had is Tim Gleason. Not that Carolina wants to trade him, but they’ve got serious cap issues.

        • realistic_leafs_fan says:

          With the coach change in Philly, don’t be surprised if Holmgren makes a move to try and save his job. Philly could really use Gardiner and the Leafs could really use Coburn…

        • toronto77 says:

          Gleason for Gardiner? no thanks.

          • leafy says:

            That one is not necessarily for Gardiner. A Luca Sbisa trade may involve Gardiner. Again, according to the Star.

            • mojo19 says:

              I’d rather hold onto Gardiner than either Gleason or Sbisa.

              Gleason is pretty sweet though, he has a chip on his shoulder, he’d fit in with Carlyle I imagine.

              • mojo19 says:

                Hey I found that article you’re all talking about. I like the Derrick Morris suggestion a lot. There’s a R handed veteran d-man we could use.

                • realistic_leafs_fan says:

                  Kline I have mentioned many times as I like he is RH that can play almost any role needed and is possibly the best long term value of the bunch.

                • LN91 says:

                  Morris does not bring a shutdown role with him.

                  We need a Mitchell,Greene, Regehr, Gorges, Methot, Seabrook type player.

                  • realistic_leafs_fan says:

                    Just about anyone on Philly could be available I would think. Schenn and Streit are likely going nowhere, but as I said above, they need a young, quick puck-mover, so the rest may be had.
                    If the Leafs become sold on Rielly and open to moving Gardiner, wouldn’t Coburn look great with Phaneuf, Franson, Reilly etc. Cap and talent wise I think it would take something like Gardiner and Kulimen for Coburn and 2nd-4th pick or maybe McGinn. Coburn is one of those guys who can play big minutes and either side of the ice. Coburn&Phaneuf, Rielly&Franson, Gunnar/Ranger/Fraser with Percy, Granberg and MacWilliam still on their way is quite a D-core. Plus if Dion does walk, Coburn would lessen that blow a bit.

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