Comments on: Colborne doesn't want to be trade-bait Joe

By: Steven_Leafs

Steven_Leafs — Wed, 15 Feb 2012 23:16:45 +0000

even if getting Mason was a good idea, I think trading Scrivins for Mason straight up is a loss right now, never mind the picks.

and while that is a massive overpayment for Eberle, that would probably be the minimum cost for us to peel him off of Edmonton. I wouldn't bother.

By: KingVilly91

KingVilly91 — Wed, 15 Feb 2012 23:09:29 +0000

what would everyone think about trading for Steve Mason and trading Reimer in a package to get that big number one center

i know Mason is having a very bad year but CBJ are very bad this year so the blame cant go on him.. maybe something like

To Leafs: Steve Mason

To CBJ: Scrivens , 2nd and 4th

then go and get that number one center

lets say leafs goto edmonton

To Leafs: Jordan Eberle

To EDM: Kadri , Reimer , 1ST Gunnarsson, Holzer

i know its not going to happen just an opinion

By: Steven_Leafs

Steven_Leafs — Wed, 15 Feb 2012 22:54:46 +0000

IMO, Philadelphia and Toronto give up too much.

I would say if you remove Kadri, CLB's 2nd, and Bobrovsky and then give TOR's 2nd to CLB it would be more even. (CLB may not do it at this point though). So...

To Toronto:
James Van Riemsdyk

To Columbus:
Wayne Simmonds
Luke Schenn
Philly's first round 2012
Toronto's 2nd round 2012

To Philadelphia:
Rick Nash

CLB might demand Bobrovsky over Simmonds+1st which I doubt Philadelphia would or could do. lol, very tough to find something that makes everyone happy.

Nice post though.

By: reinjosh

reinjosh — Wed, 15 Feb 2012 17:53:49 +0000

It would have been the same thing with any of the guys we picked, but actually with a step back in development. The guys we have are already on that development path, the guys you mentioned would just be getting on it (like Biggs).

I get the scepticism, but it would have been just as evident with the guys you mentioned. That's just the way prospects are.

Everyone has questions around their game, some guys take longer to develop than others. At the point we were in the draft, anyone you choose was going to take a while to even get a shot at the NHL. I suppose Burke and Co wanted two guys that they were fairly confident would hit the NHL over more project picks.

By: KingCanada

KingCanada — Wed, 15 Feb 2012 17:35:53 +0000

Well I do appreciate the explanation on a few of those prospects. I guess Im just a little impatient with our group of forward prospects...Not quite enough if you ask me.

Of course there is Colborne and Kadri who are nearly there but after that its kinda slim...

-Biggs will play NCAA for a long time and is not quite producing amazingly in his first year.
-Ross who I believe will be a solid NHL is probably better off suited for 3rd/4th line duty.
-McKegg and Nicholls are both producing good numbers in their respective leagues but Im still not convinced...John Mitchell was a big scorer in junior too lol.

Basically I just think that we have pleeenty of defensive depth and was just a little dissapointed Burke didnt try more to get more forwards.

Your theory with puck movers vs skilled forwards tho is still a good one however. Best player available is usually a good drafting strategy in the long run.

By: reinjosh

reinjosh — Wed, 15 Feb 2012 17:20:38 +0000

They didn't go after Philips because he was basically a McKegg. Jurco is a meh player at best and hasn't been anything spectacular. Him being picked by Detroit doesn't mean we should have picked him. Jensen hasn't been anything special either, playing the OHL. Jenner again, also hasn't been anything special. He's improved slightly but nothing huge.

Rattie was really the only one I might have picked of those guys. But he's somewhat undersized and his playing with Nino Nieds, Sven Baertschi, Ryan Johansen, even Brad Ross in his draft year, would have made teams leery. Even now while he's tearing up the WHL, he's done a great deal of it beside Baertschi's ridiculous play. So he was a big risk and it looked like Burke wanted to play a more conservative approach draft.

Plus talented puck moving dman are huge trade chips in the NHL. You can never have enough. He's top 30 in the OHL for points and has only played 25 games. The guy has serious talent.

A guy like Jurco or Jensen are dime a dozen type players (well maybe a little more rare but you get my point). Steady dependable puck movers aren't exactly highly available.

By: KingCanada

KingCanada — Wed, 15 Feb 2012 17:14:20 +0000

Correct me if Im wrong but Im about 99% sure that we traded that 2nd rounder either at the draft or right before it to get Liles. So more or less on the same wknd as the draft. But ya I know what you mean, we got a pleasant surprise from Gardiner thats for sure! And Franson what a shot he has...

Like I said before, Im definatly not against trading Percy! Weve got plenty of defencemen youth to spare!

IMO Howson would still take Schenn, good young defenceman with plenty of experience signed long term at an affordable rate.

By: reinjosh

reinjosh — Wed, 15 Feb 2012 17:12:43 +0000

They did actually. They trade happened the Friday of draft weekend.

By: KingCanada

KingCanada — Wed, 15 Feb 2012 17:10:10 +0000

Well I never said it was gonna be an easy pill to swallow.... Gotta give Howson SOMETHING if hes trading us his captain franchise player..who also happens to be a big power forward.

Tic for Tac if u ask me?

By: realistic_leafs_fan

realistic_leafs_fan — Wed, 15 Feb 2012 17:06:00 +0000

Thanks, it was always a pleasure chatting with you.
I thought the same way you did at the start when I thought of this...but it came down to need and dealing from strength.
So, here's my thinking.
Schenn is a big body with lots of upside but has been inconsistent in his 4 years in the league. The emergence of Gardiner and Franson as well as Aulie in the minors, makes Schenn movable.
Kadri has vision and talent but is on the small side. We have enough of those types in Kessel, Grabo, MacArthur, Lombardi, Bozak.
Toronto needs a young power winger with size and speed that has 50-70 pt potential...JVR fits the bill. We should also move up a minimum 10 spots in the draft (although I never checked to see if all teams possess their picks.lol). If Colbone ever develops into a second or third line centre, we now have the size we are looking for with JVR, Lupul, Kulimen, Colborne all in the top 6.
Philly gets their superstar and Columbus has a good start to the rebuild.
Philly would still need help on D and We would still need to get rid of Connolly and his contract...good luck on the latter.LOL