Confusing times for Luke Schenn

Luke Schenn admits he didn’t see it coming.

“I was pretty surprised,” the young defenceman admitted when asked on Friday for his reaction at being made a healthy scratch in the Maple Leafs 4-3 overtime victory over the Edmonton Oilers earlier this week. “I had friends there. I had family there.”

Judging by the look on Schenn’s face as he was explaining his feelings to reporters on Friday, there were some other words that come to mind. Gutted. Frustrated. Confused.


“It’s never fun sitting out,” Schenn said.

Nor is it enjoyable that, on a night like that, when you have been banished to the press box, your image suddenly gets splashed on both Sportsnet and TSN in regard to trade speculation. From the Blue Jackets’ Rick Nash to the Flyers’ James van Riemsdyk, Schenn’s name has been linked to a few trade scenarios.

“I guess it’s all part of playing in Toronto,” said Schenn who, as usual, handled the adversity with class rather than complain. “It’s not easy sometimes. But those things are out of my control.

“All I can do is to keep trying to play hard and improve.

“In Canada, the trade deadline pretty much has become the most important day of the year. In Toronto, people start talking about the deadline at Christmas and New Year’s already.

“I hear the stuff every year at the deadline. It’s tough, but you learn to live with it.”

http://www.torontosun.com/2012/02/17/confusing-times-for-luke-schenn


70 Responses to Confusing times for Luke Schenn

  1. TheLeafNation91 says:

    I agree…He's obviously not an elite offensive player, but he is probably the best second-line C in the game.

    I would take him in a heartbeat over Grabovski, though most here would disagree.

  2. DannyLeafs says:

    I think you are making way too much out of small thresholds. Is 65 points worth that much more than 58?

    Grabovski is a solid second line C whose career PPG average is higher than Plekanec, and comparable to Reibero's. Grabovski has a better two way game than Reibero, and plays well against other teams top line.

    All in all, I think these are good comparables, and actually work in Grabovski's favour, espcially paired with the fact that compared to the cap, 5 million now is cheaper then when either of those players signed.

    For me it comes down to term. If he wants 6 years, 5 million per is too much. If he wants 3 or 4 I would say it's worth it.

  3. TheLeafNation91 says:

    Guess what, Kulemin needs a new deal this year…Oh, and Lupul needs one too next year and soon enough Kessel. Eventually, your cap can be pushed to the brink with contracts no teams want…Then your screwed. Ask Montreal.

    Welcome to the salary cap world, each contract needs to be precise and be favoruable to the team over the player. Like Liles new contract.

  4. DannyLeafs says:

    Ryan Kesler, Mike Reibero, Thomas Plekanec, Brian Rolston, Brian Gionta, Patrice Bergeron, James Neal, Jason Pominville, Ryan Smyth. Not to mention the scores of guys that when signed were making more of a percentage of cap space then what 5 million represents now. Guys like Joffrey Lupul, Scott Hartnell, David Booth, David Bolland, Dustin Penner, Pierre Marc-Bouchard, David Legwand, Martin Erat, Mike Fisher, Milan Michalek, Daymond Langkow, Jordan Staal, Andy MacDonald, Ryan Malone, RJ Umberger, and Nik Antropov all signed contracts that were for more than 7.5% of the cap ceiling at the time, which is about what 5 million will look like in this offseason.

    On that note, I think it would be kind of neat if the NHL could introduce a true revenue sharing structure where players signed contracts for a % of the ceiling. I know it's a novel idea that wouldnt happen, but there are definitely a lot of merits to it.

    Think of the salary cap at 65 million, and most teams go with a 22 man roster, thats about 3 million a player if you divide it equally. So it's to be expected that an above average hockey player will want an above average salary. Being that the center position is so important, I think it's reasonable that a player of Grabovsky's calibre wants somewhere in the neighborhood of 5 million being that he has had season to season consitency, is in his prime, and has been  a healthy player with no nagging injuries.

    I mean it would be great to get him for less, but you have to expect he will get somewhere between 4.5 to 5 million.

  5. Steven_Leafs says:

    Bergeron > Grabovski

    Although if they were being traded for each other, I wouldn't pay the extra cost to upgrade Grabovski to Bergeron. Better to spend those resources to upgrade something else far better.

  6. DannyLeafs says:

    Like I said, I think term is more important that a few hundred thousand cap dollars in this instance. Term is often a bigger killer than cap hit, and I would be fine with paying an extra 200-300k to grabovski so he can hit that 5 mill threshold if it mean that term was more manageable.

  7. DannyLeafs says:

    Good thing with neal is that at his worst I think he is a guy that will provide physicality and score 25+ goals and around 50 points. Considering he has been pretty well injury free I think his low end production is still not so bad for the cap hit. I do think it is a little bit much, he has always played with good playmakers, and I think his career goal scoring totals are a little inflated, but it's not like Pittsburgh will run into an unexpected shortage of great playmaking centers.

  8. DannyLeafs says:

    I hate those polls. The overrated one is awful. Not because of Phaneuf being #1, but some of the other guys in the top 20 were laughable.

    Jerome iginla was up there, what gutless chud anonomously names one of the most respected forwards in the game right now as overrated?

    Guys like Pronger and Jovanovski made the list too. I mean, really? Jovanovski isn't as highly regarded as he once was, so I don't know how you call him overrated, and Pronger is a future hall of famer.

    Scott Gomez, Vinnie Lecalvier, Ollie Jokinen, and Mike Komisarek were also amoung the list. I mean, how do you call these guys overrated? They have done nothing but face criticism for the past several seasons, and been viewed as cap leech's. Talk about kicking guys when they are down.

    There was some obvious bias in the list too. There were 3 flames, 2 Leafs, 2 Canucks, 2 Capitals and 1 Canadian. I mean doesn't it seem a little odd that 10 out of the 15 so called most overrated players in the league came from the teams that get the most attention and face the most scrutiny?

  9. TheLeafNation91 says:

    …Depends on what they want.

    No way the Bruins would be ever that stupid to trade him straight up. Bergeron is way better.

  10. Steven_Leafs says:

    I just meant that, assuming they have the exact same contract, Boston would want a lot more than just Grabovski for Bergeron. Doesn't really matter though, I was only pointing out that Bergeron's value is much higher than Grabovski's.

  11. Steven_Leafs says:

    true, if Connolly was signed for 4-5 years we would be freaking out, but by getting him for only 2 years we can swallow that shit-hole of a contract and not have to stress about it.

    I would prefer Grabovski to sign a 5-6 year deal at 4M a season but a 2-3 year deal at 5M a season isn't that terrible either.

  12. mojo19 says:

    Everyone would take Bergeron over Grabovski. But Bergeron isn't underrated at all. Everyone knows he's a solid 2-way centre, capable of putting up around 60 points or so. Good solid player, no question.

    And to the dude who didn't understand the Staal comment. I don't like Jordan Staal, I think he's overrated.
  13. mapleleafsfan says:

    I'd take Kesler over bergeron. Zetterberg too (although he may not be 2nd line C, not realy sure how they roll with him and datsyuk)… I'd personally take Stastny too. But yea, bergeron is up there. I don't think many on here would argue that grabo is better. Just because people don't share your opinions to an extreme, doesn't mean they aren't logical. Bergeron consistently has a chance for the selke and outscores grabo. Not gonna find many arguments in grabos favour.  

  14. MystifoLeafs says:

    Bergeron is up there as top two way centers but I still won't put him with the big two.

    Toews
    Datsyuk
    I would rank him with Kesler though.
  15. hockey_lover says:

    I hear ya.

    The problem with moving out one of Martin or Michalek is the same problem that the Leafs had with Komisarek last season. Who REALLY wants to trade for an underperforming, overpaid player?  I mean … unless you are Bob Gainey and you want Scott Gomez 😛   But OUTSIDE of that .. hehheh.

    I think Martin is untradable right now. 10000%.  Michalek still has some value as he is a shot blocking machine but $4 mil for that seems steep. He hasnt been "bad" … just .. "meh, whatever."  I dont WANT to trade him but to fit Neal in, I think he has to go.

  16. hockey_lover says:

    haha.  yeah 9 years I would have cried at. Big time 😛

    I agree with you though. You gotta hedge your bets. Its not a BAD signing at all. Price is pretty good. I mean, how many 35+ goal guys make $5mil?  Just the term makes me skittish.

  17. hockey_lover says:

    Thats a good point. If he does end up being that guy who is only 25g/50pts, he will be overpaid at $5mil but not SO ridiculously. Good point man. I like it.

  18. hockey_lover says:

    "I agree…He's obviously not an elite offensive player, but he is probably the best second-line C in the game."

    To be fair, Malkin and Kessler are 2nd line centers. You CANT possible say you'd take Bergeron over Malkin and Kessler?

  19. Boston_Bruins says:

    No one really considers those guys 2nd line centers, even if they technically are. Bergeron also isn't a 2nd line center as his line has become the number 1 line. He's always been Boston's best center but the Bruins like to use him in the shutdown role.

    Obviously Malkin's better because of how ridiculously good he is offensively, but I'd take Bergeron over Kesler. All Kesler has over Bergeron really is goal-scoring ability and speed. I'd take Bergeron over Kesler in everything else.
  20. Steven_Leafs says:

    usually when people say "2nd line center" they mean skill wise, not what you are on a specific team at a specific time. Bozak is Toronto's no.1 center, he is not, definitely not, a 1st line center at all. Malkin, Crosby, E.Staal, Getzlaf, are no.1 centers, even though Malkin is behind Crosby (ignoring the injury thing) Malkin is still a no.1 center.

    Bergeron, Kesler, Grabovski, Plekanec, etc I would classify as no.2 centers. They could or are no.1 centers on some teams but they do not have the talent level that the no.1 centers have.

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