Controversial Goal Wins For Devils

Habs’ skid continues: http://www.faceoff.com/nhl/teams/canadiens/news/story.html?f=/news/20030107/030107News2203822.html

Another rather stupid decision by NHL officiating. If you call goalie interference once, then be prepared to call it again. If you don’t, its bound to become a controversy..

I’m trying to look at this in a impartial way, but that really stands out. Is this just another example of the NHlL’s inconsistent officiating? I think so.


35 Responses to Controversial Goal Wins For Devils

  1. mikster says:

    I’ll say it again…i do not care what teams are involved, but when i have my chance to see refs mess up…i’ll post it anywhere.

    Pathetic inconsistency. It’s just the fact that they cannot ref well. However, the Giants sure got the football shoved up their asses by the officials….refs suck in general. They are the failures of the sport that they officiate.

  2. SabresFanB says:

    I didn’t see it, but I have no problem believing it. The officiating is a joke.

  3. rojoke says:

    I did see it, and it was an absolute embarrassment. The Almighty Fraser, omnipotent as he is, skated to the time keeper’s bench and made his call. No call to the replay booth, just to make sure. Old Eagle Eyes saw it as plain as the nose up his ass. Only the replay would have shown that Ribeiro never touched Brodeur. Then late in the third, the same situation he called before arises, only more clear, he goes the other way with. Talk about changing horses mid-stream. Which one was it, Kerry? Does incidental contact nullify a goal or what? Right call or wrong, it has to be the same for both teams.

  4. amok says:

    I wouldn’t be surprised if the Sens are pissed at the end of tonight’s game for the reffing. The powerplays are nine to three for the Canucks right now.

    It does seem like there are more errors this year than usual, but I think it will even out in the end. A couple weeks ago Vancouver got shafted in OT when Bertuzzi was on a breakaway and Niinimaa clearly threw his stick. He was given a tripping call or something like that when it was obvious it was a penalty shot. But then just moments later an Oiler got called for crashing into Skudra when he was way out of his crease and the Oiler couldn’t get out of the way. So one bad call at one end, one at another.

    The one ref that I have been very impressed with was the WJHC ref for the gold medal game. He let the players skate and didn’t fall for any of the Russians’ flopping aside from Ovechkin’s snow angels, and even then they just blew the play without penalty.

    Maybe the Raelians should clone that guy.

  5. Devilspector says:

    if a goalie goes out of the net to play the puck then it should be leagal to hit him. Besides the devs got jipped out of some points ealier this season and this just makes up For it.(Maddens disalowed ot winner)

  6. CaptainCanuck says:

    I agree. I’m in the middle of watching the same game. It’s the end of the second period and the Canucks are on their tenth powerplay. What could have been a fast paced exciting is now as slow paced as ever. I hope I see more 5 on 5 in the third.

  7. amok says:

    14 powerplays in all for Vancouver. I’m surprised that despite having ten less powerplays the Sens were within one shot on goal of the Canucks (can’t remember who had one more, Van or Ott).

    Despite the insane amount of PP time this game still had a lot of action. I would love it if the Canucks could play 82 games a year against Edmonton and Ottawa (not just ’cause they win them all, but the games are always entertaining).

  8. Bluesrock7 says:

    did anybody see the Blues vs. Nashville game yesterday? or at least the highlights which showed that the referee (mr. magoo) absolutely blew a call which resulted in the gw ot goal.

    the officiating in the league is killing it more than economics IMO.

  9. Tony says:

    Didn’t Fraser screw the Canadians last year when they were up 3-0 in a game and he gave Canes a 5-3 because the Canadians coach was yelling at him? Looks like Fraser got him again.

  10. cujoe169 says:

    don’t diss the devils, they should have won anyway, they had way more scoring chances, and I think nieuwendyk deserved a break

  11. MantaRay says:

    The only people upset are Hab fans. This story is already a day old and forgotten by everyone else.

    Every objective hockey commentator has already said the refs were correct.

    Last night on NHL2NITE the did a special report on the play and everyone: Buccigross, Melrose and Chicken Parm all said the Refs made the right decision.

    Goalies who wander are free game.

    Move on, or start making excuses for tonights game and be more creative.

  12. peanut_butter_shelf says:

    Didn’t the Canadians screw themselves last year in the playoffs by taking rediculous penalties in a game that they felt they had enough of a grip on. Weren’t they relying too much on Theodore to hold the lead for them.

    Did Michelle really need to have a temper tantrum. Fraser gave him a good bit of time to shut the hell up and he wouldn’t.

    The Canadians problems are with there coaching not the officiating.

    The Canadians took dumb penalties because they were and are an undisciplined team much like there coach. Carolina beat them 5-3, the refs just handed out the penalty. Maybe someone should have covered Cole and Oneill in that series. Defense can be helpful.

  13. habsoverserver says:

    Getting outshot and not scoring on powerplays has a greater effect on the outcome than a blown call by the ref. I agree that Fraser has made calls that go against Montreal but whining won’t help. If Montreal has a problem with Fraser, then send the league tapes and demand that he be removed from Habs games. All in all, Savard would do better to yell at his coach for not preparing the team.

  14. leafsrule31 says:

    that was a pretty stupid comment only one ignorant hockey fan that only see’s his team would make.

    i have not heard one objective hockey commentator has not said the refs were correct, because they weren’t and you’d have to be a devils fan with your head pretty far up your ass to think different. you can’t make 2 different calls in the exact same situation and it be fair?

    and acutally if you look at the 10 or 11 comments above… uhh. the only ones not upset are devils fans, and its only forgotten by devils fans.. who only care that their pitiful team got the 2 points.

    i mean really.. how can one hockey fan be such a homer? i actually remember you telling mikster a couple months ago that he had ranger tinted glasses?. what do you call this?

  15. MantaRay says:

    I just call it being a hockey fan and accepting that the refs are human.

    I am not one to whine about refs calls (if so, I would have gone nuts when the Devils lost to Detroit on a bad call–but I didn’t, I accept it as part of the game).

    Refs will make good calls and bad calls, it is of no use to use it as an excuse for winning or whinning (losing).

    In regard to not hearing OR reading objective commentary: If you get a chance, watch the repeat of NHL2NITE, then make your arguments.

  16. bubbakazoo says:

    are you totally biased or just a bit ignorant. Previous games have nothing to do with this. @#$$$ you @$^%#

  17. bubbakazoo says:

    yeah- you are an asshole. There aren’t any commentators- ESPN- they’re imbeciles. You must be too, et maintenant je vais tirer mon reverence de cette site inutile et ennuyant.

  18. Tradedude says:

    I wish I could post all the bad calls I’ve seen in the NHL.

  19. devfanman4 says:

    The two plays were not identical. In the first case, Brodeur was down and out of the play. A Habs player (I forget which) was in the crease, but never made any contact with Brodeur and the puck went in. Frasier claimed there was goalie interference and the goal was disallowed. That was bs, but unfortunately, the rules say that a goal can not be reviewed based on goaltender interference. Frasier made the wrong call on that play. The play in the 3rd period was completely different. Hackett came out to play the puck while Friesen was coming in from the point. Friesen bumped into and knocked over Hackett while he was going for the puck. The puck went to Friesen and he passed it out to a wide open Nieuwendyk for an empty net goal. Frasier made the right call there. Goalies are free game when they leave the crease and are playing the puck. You can treat them as if they are real players on the ice. Despite popular opinion, Frasier made one bad call, not two. All teams are subject to bad calls all season long. In the Blackhawks/Coyotes game last night, one of the Blackhawks (of course I forget which one), got hooked from behind when he beat a defender and was going in one on one with the goalie. Everyone stopped figuring there would be a penalty called, but there wasn’t. The league rules are to blame, not the officials. The rules are too vague. A player can kick the puck into a net if it is not intentional and there’s no distinct kicking motion. Players have to make an effort to get out of the way of goaltenders in their crease to avoid penalties. How can you tell if a player intentionally kicked a puck in?!? Unless the referee is god (which I’m sure he wouldn’t officiate in the NHL), he’s not going to be able to read players’ minds.

  20. mikster says:

    Watch it……

    I know you’re upset, but you should never lower yourself to a low class fan and calling someone with high knowledge an ___hole.

  21. aaron says:

    Does it matter? You go out there and ref it more consistantly, and then I’ll listen to your bitching. Hockey is frickin’ impossible to ref, and no matter what decision you make, you’re going to piss off half the fans. The refs’ll blow calls; that’s something that CANNOT be changed. Stop using it as an excuse. Hockey has 82 games, more than half the teams make the playoffs, and each playoff round is a best of 7. It is virtually impossible for a ref to screw a team over in the long haul.

  22. hendextall says:

    Goalies are not fair game out of there crease, they should be but they are not. The refs made the wrong call. Maybe if they were more consistent then i would let this call go, but i have seen many times goalies hit out of the crease resulting in penalties. As a ref, I can say that the reffing in the nhl this year has been horrible. They are too inconsistent.

  23. hendextall says:

    Everyone take a look at Rule 47c

    (c) A minor, major or a major and a game misconduct shall be imposed on a player who charges a goalkeeper while the goalkeeper is within his goal crease.

    (NOTE) A goalkeeper is NOT “fair game” just because he is outside the goal crease area. A penalty for interference or charging (minor or major and a game misconduct) should be called in every case where an opposing player makes unnecessary contact with a goalkeeper.

  24. MantaRay says:

    This is great!!! I didn’t realize the ACTUAL rules.

    This also contradicts Kerry Frasers quote in the paper.

    But in relation to the Friesen/Hacket play the contact was incidental (not a charge) and was NOT a Penalty.

  25. leafsrule31 says:

    fair enough.. refs are human. but some of the decisions they make makes you wonder whos on the other end of their paychecks. everyone has the right to give their opinions on it, but really. everyone that made comments before mine said it wasnt fair.. except for 2 devils fans. now when fans of every other team are willing to accept that it was a shitty call and 2 devils fans are going ahhh its a fair call everyone else needs to stop whining, it has homer written all over. and since you criticize everyone else for being such a homer i thought it was just a bit ironic.

    as far as nhl2nite goes, just because four putz’s with jobs think it was a fair call it is? i mean you would have to be a complete idiot to think it was a fair call since pretty much the exact same thing happened before and it went the total other way. i mean it may have been a fair call the second time, but the refs should have called it that way the first time.. and vice versa. i watch espn all the time. ive watched sportscentre for 45 minutes trying to get some freaking hockey highlights and its impossible. which tells me one thing, americans dont give a shit about hockey, and the ones on tv claiming they do dont know a god damned thing about it. so those 4 assclowns on nhl2nites opinions dont mean a damn thing.

  26. hendextall says:

    Well read the rule carefully,

    (NOTE) A goalkeeper is NOT “fair game” just because he is outside the goal crease area. A penalty for interference or charging (minor or major and a game misconduct) should be called in every case where an opposing player makes unnecessary contact with a goalkeeper.

    the key point is in every case where an opposing player makes unnecessary contact with a goalkeeper. The contact was definately unnecessary.

  27. Tony says:

    Bad call in the Detroit and Devils game? You mean when the Devils player kicked the puck in the net?

  28. MantaRay says:

    Actually the players stick was held and it went off his foot as he tried to control it in his skates…or kicked it.

  29. ibleedblueandwhite says:

    he doesn’t only mess up the Leafs(93 TOR vs LA)Gilmour, Grezkty thing but he also messes around with the Canadians.

    GO LEAFS GO

  30. ibleedblueandwhite says:

    he doesn’t only mess up the Leafs(93 TOR vs LA)Gilmour, Grezkty thing but he also messes around with the Canadians.

    GO LEAFS GO

  31. Tony says:

    I saw the game, he kicked it in the net. I don’t think he did it on purpose but the bottom line is he made a kicking motion with his foot to put the puck in the net.

  32. PeterPuck says:

    what sports telecast’s are you watching!!!!!i have not heard ONE say that it was the right call, including TSN , bob mckenzie, SportsNet, ESPN, and even Brodeur said it would piss him OFF…. It is not the point that Hackett got hit, I agree it was in stride, but the GOAL should not of been counted..PERIOD….that is the point. Hackett was at the side of his net and not behind the hash markets when hit, read the RULES……cause you look like an Idiot…..

  33. PeterPuck says:

    According to the NHL Rule book pasted herein, rule 47C and 78:

    (NOTE) A goalkeeper is NOT “fair game” just because he is outside the goal crease area. A penalty for interference or charging (minor or major and a game misconduct) should be called in every case where an opposing player makes unnecessary contact with a goalkeeper.

    See also Rule 78 – Protection of the Goalkeeper.

  34. OldTimeHockey_28 says:

    you are incorrect. A goalie is not fair game. I’m a goalie and I’d love for it to be the other way. I’m 6’2 and could take down alot of guys(one thing i hate about being a goalie is no rough stuff). But when out of the crease a player must avoid the player as much as possible. A goalie can not be run at or hit. Interference or charging.

  35. HabsPunk says:

    ah, finally found my password, now this topic is pretty much gone, but ya, what i wanted to say before was, it seems to me that back when kirk muller was still with the habs, he was skating up behind someone and kinda hooked them on the shoulder or slashed them on the arm or something, and kerry fraser gave him a game misconduct for high-sticking….. the fraser vs. habs has been going for a long time.

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