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		<title>By: goalieman32</title>
		<link>http://hockeytraderumors.com/could-marc-andre-fleury-be-traded/comment-page-1/#comment-196708</link>
		<dc:creator>goalieman32</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Oct 2006 18:29:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[that sucks.  they could have gotten something out of him.  this should almost assure that a trade for a goalie will be comming, since now the pens have no depth]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that sucks.  they could have gotten something out of him.  this should almost assure that a trade for a goalie will be comming, since now the pens have no depth</p>
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		<title>By: OldGoalie</title>
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		<dc:creator>OldGoalie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Oct 2006 14:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Forget Sabourin...Vancouver claimed him off waivers this afternoon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forget Sabourin&#8230;Vancouver claimed him off waivers this afternoon.</p>
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		<title>By: goalieman32</title>
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		<dc:creator>goalieman32</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Oct 2006 13:56:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[also, as far as goalie development, you have to have a home grown goalie as they have worked well with other teams. Look at Lehtonen inn atlanta and Ward in Carolina, or anyone from the Sharks orginization, the Rangers of the current age, or the Devils, even the Sabres.  All have developed the goalies that they drafted and all have good starters.  Look now at the teams that did it through trades and free agency, teams like the Hawks, the Leafs, and last years Tampa Bay.  they had terrible goaltending.  It is still a possibility to find the odd gem for cheap (like Kipper), but usually any quality goalie will cost too much and any risky pickup falls apart.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>also, as far as goalie development, you have to have a home grown goalie as they have worked well with other teams. Look at Lehtonen inn atlanta and Ward in Carolina, or anyone from the Sharks orginization, the Rangers of the current age, or the Devils, even the Sabres.  All have developed the goalies that they drafted and all have good starters.  Look now at the teams that did it through trades and free agency, teams like the Hawks, the Leafs, and last years Tampa Bay.  they had terrible goaltending.  It is still a possibility to find the odd gem for cheap (like Kipper), but usually any quality goalie will cost too much and any risky pickup falls apart.</p>
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		<title>By: goalieman32</title>
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		<dc:creator>goalieman32</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Oct 2006 13:43:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Personally i like Mark Madden, but that just goes back to by far one of the funniest bits he ever had when the Forge were still in town on Neville Island and had a chance to win the championship and still didnt even sell out.  but thats beyond the point, and this rumor has been circulating since Crosby and Johnson are good pals, and everyone wants to see Crosby happy.  Personally I dont see the trade going through, simply because the Kings have alwready gone with Cloutier as a starter and Garon as a backup and therefore dont need Fleury.  also, I dont think that Labarbara hasnt proven that he can play in the NHL.  I could see the pens trading Fleury for Biron and I believe that it would benifit the Pens, but with Miller in net it doesnt look like that is a possibility unless it is to shed some payrole.  Aebischer may be a possibility, but the Habs have a tremendous depth in goal already.  One trade that I believe that the Pens could make would be Sabourin Oulette and Whitney for Schauefer/ Greiss and Georges, plus a 3rd/2nd rounder.  Its a stretch, but I like both Greiss and Schaefer and both could be starters in the NHL, especially with the Pens.  Then send Fleury to the minors and let him develop there for a year or two and have him come up when Thibault finally retires.  Welsh takes Whitneys spot and Georges will develop mire and put on some more muscle in the minors.  Probably wont happen, but its a good trade none the less.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally i like Mark Madden, but that just goes back to by far one of the funniest bits he ever had when the Forge were still in town on Neville Island and had a chance to win the championship and still didnt even sell out.  but thats beyond the point, and this rumor has been circulating since Crosby and Johnson are good pals, and everyone wants to see Crosby happy.  Personally I dont see the trade going through, simply because the Kings have alwready gone with Cloutier as a starter and Garon as a backup and therefore dont need Fleury.  also, I dont think that Labarbara hasnt proven that he can play in the NHL.  I could see the pens trading Fleury for Biron and I believe that it would benifit the Pens, but with Miller in net it doesnt look like that is a possibility unless it is to shed some payrole.  Aebischer may be a possibility, but the Habs have a tremendous depth in goal already.  One trade that I believe that the Pens could make would be Sabourin Oulette and Whitney for Schauefer/ Greiss and Georges, plus a 3rd/2nd rounder.  Its a stretch, but I like both Greiss and Schaefer and both could be starters in the NHL, especially with the Pens.  Then send Fleury to the minors and let him develop there for a year or two and have him come up when Thibault finally retires.  Welsh takes Whitneys spot and Georges will develop mire and put on some more muscle in the minors.  Probably wont happen, but its a good trade none the less.</p>
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		<title>By: OldGoalie</title>
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		<dc:creator>OldGoalie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Oct 2006 09:08:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So what do you do if one of the rumors turns out to be true?  Do you give Fleury up to SJ for Nabokov?  Or to LA for Jack Johnson and LaBarbara (Mark Madden was reporting this was a possibility in Pittsburgh yesterday...personally I think he&#039;s a moron and tend to discredit almost everything that comes out of his mouth, but hey, it&#039;s out there)?&lt;br /&gt;
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My own feeling tends to be that you build your forwards and your D through the draft, but you build your goalies (at least at the NHL level) through free agency or trades.  Let the rest of the NHL in effect be your farm system for goalies...that way you always get more or less known and proven commodities in net (although you&#039;ll overpay for them).  If you draft a kid that turns into the next Nabokov (i.e. a lower choice that pans out), it&#039;s a nice bonus, but you basically draft goalies for your AHL team.  Because of that, I&#039;m not too terribly put off by the Pens&#039; lack of top flight goaltending prospects...at least not long term.&lt;br /&gt;
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Short term, though, the Pens are a team that has a disproportinately high need to at least be competitive and make the playoffs, if they want to stay in Pittsburgh.  The playoff buzz...the attendance at the arena...the bar and restaurant sales...none of that has happened while any of the current top level city and county elected officials have been in office.  Something like that would give the team at least a little more leverage than it currently has (which is virtually none) in its quest for a new facility.  If a couple of personnel tweaks can get this team into the playoffs, they might very well have the motivation to do it.&lt;br /&gt;
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So once again, the question kind of comes down to &quot;does even a proven #1 NHL goaltender make the Pens into a playoff team?&quot;  I don&#039;t think that he does.  The defense is still, um, suspect (not that I&#039;m a gigantic Barry Melrose fan, but he more or less summed it up on ESPN last night when he said &quot;the Pens&#039; defense acts like it thinks &#039;checking&#039; is a city in China&quot;).  They lack a true big time finisher.  They&#039;re incredibly young.  The list of things that they don&#039;t have is pretty long...and in my opinion still far outweighs the list of what they do have (spectacular potential at center).  &lt;br /&gt;
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My thinking is that, unless a spectacularly great deal falls into Shero&#039;s lap, the Pens will view this season as a means to an end...literally time that they just have to get through while maybe developing some young players and seeing what they really have to work with...before next year&#039;s free agent class.  If they&#039;re going to make a move toward rapid, drastic improvement, though, I don&#039;t think it&#039;ll happen before summer of 2007...and that suggests to me that their goaltending for this year is kind of going to be whatever it is, as currently constituted.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what do you do if one of the rumors turns out to be true?  Do you give Fleury up to SJ for Nabokov?  Or to LA for Jack Johnson and LaBarbara (Mark Madden was reporting this was a possibility in Pittsburgh yesterday&#8230;personally I think he&#8217;s a moron and tend to discredit almost everything that comes out of his mouth, but hey, it&#8217;s out there)?</p>
<p>My own feeling tends to be that you build your forwards and your D through the draft, but you build your goalies (at least at the NHL level) through free agency or trades.  Let the rest of the NHL in effect be your farm system for goalies&#8230;that way you always get more or less known and proven commodities in net (although you&#8217;ll overpay for them).  If you draft a kid that turns into the next Nabokov (i.e. a lower choice that pans out), it&#8217;s a nice bonus, but you basically draft goalies for your AHL team.  Because of that, I&#8217;m not too terribly put off by the Pens&#8217; lack of top flight goaltending prospects&#8230;at least not long term.</p>
<p>Short term, though, the Pens are a team that has a disproportinately high need to at least be competitive and make the playoffs, if they want to stay in Pittsburgh.  The playoff buzz&#8230;the attendance at the arena&#8230;the bar and restaurant sales&#8230;none of that has happened while any of the current top level city and county elected officials have been in office.  Something like that would give the team at least a little more leverage than it currently has (which is virtually none) in its quest for a new facility.  If a couple of personnel tweaks can get this team into the playoffs, they might very well have the motivation to do it.</p>
<p>So once again, the question kind of comes down to &#8220;does even a proven #1 NHL goaltender make the Pens into a playoff team?&#8221;  I don&#8217;t think that he does.  The defense is still, um, suspect (not that I&#8217;m a gigantic Barry Melrose fan, but he more or less summed it up on ESPN last night when he said &#8220;the Pens&#8217; defense acts like it thinks &#8216;checking&#8217; is a city in China&#8221;).  They lack a true big time finisher.  They&#8217;re incredibly young.  The list of things that they don&#8217;t have is pretty long&#8230;and in my opinion still far outweighs the list of what they do have (spectacular potential at center).  </p>
<p>My thinking is that, unless a spectacularly great deal falls into Shero&#8217;s lap, the Pens will view this season as a means to an end&#8230;literally time that they just have to get through while maybe developing some young players and seeing what they really have to work with&#8230;before next year&#8217;s free agent class.  If they&#8217;re going to make a move toward rapid, drastic improvement, though, I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;ll happen before summer of 2007&#8230;and that suggests to me that their goaltending for this year is kind of going to be whatever it is, as currently constituted.</p>
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		<title>By: goalieman32</title>
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		<dc:creator>goalieman32</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2006 23:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Had he played on either team, he would have spent the year in the minors and he would have stayed there until he had proven himself there, then he would have had to prove himself in the bigs, which he hasnt.  He actually bested Ward in regular season gaa and sv%, because ward sucked the big one in the regular season.  As for Lundqvist, he faced exactly the same shots as Fleury in only 3 more games, so he had the same opportunities as Lundqvist and his d was only slightly worse.  I remember one Ranger game Lundqvist was scored on by Rosival for one of the goals and Rosival was on top of him for another.  Had Fleury been thrown in with either of those towns, they wouldnt have made the playoffs unless it was on the shoulders of the backups.  he would have been hard pressed to make the team out of camp.  I have said for a while now that Fleury was overrated and unable to carry the Pens, and unfortunately so far this has proven to be true.  The pens failed to follow up with goalie picks and now they have no quality prospects in the system.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Had he played on either team, he would have spent the year in the minors and he would have stayed there until he had proven himself there, then he would have had to prove himself in the bigs, which he hasnt.  He actually bested Ward in regular season gaa and sv%, because ward sucked the big one in the regular season.  As for Lundqvist, he faced exactly the same shots as Fleury in only 3 more games, so he had the same opportunities as Lundqvist and his d was only slightly worse.  I remember one Ranger game Lundqvist was scored on by Rosival for one of the goals and Rosival was on top of him for another.  Had Fleury been thrown in with either of those towns, they wouldnt have made the playoffs unless it was on the shoulders of the backups.  he would have been hard pressed to make the team out of camp.  I have said for a while now that Fleury was overrated and unable to carry the Pens, and unfortunately so far this has proven to be true.  The pens failed to follow up with goalie picks and now they have no quality prospects in the system.</p>
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		<title>By: dcz28</title>
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		<dc:creator>dcz28</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2006 17:50:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the info as i didn&#039;t know much about him. With the cap space the Pens have they could easily keep all 3 goalies like the Wings and Leafs are doing since they also have goalies that have to clear waivers to be sent down. I think the Pens should do that for 10-20 games just to make sure that the good pre-season play of those goalies (Thibault and Sabourin) can continue into the season...besides Thibault will likely get injured if history is any indication and open the door for the 3rd goalie to play.&lt;br /&gt;
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Personally i would not trade Fleury based on pre-season games since i think he can be sent down without having to clear waivers and called up if one falters or gets injured. I&#039;m not sure what teams are willing to give for Fleury but it would have to be a very good deal for me to trade him.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the info as i didn&#8217;t know much about him. With the cap space the Pens have they could easily keep all 3 goalies like the Wings and Leafs are doing since they also have goalies that have to clear waivers to be sent down. I think the Pens should do that for 10-20 games just to make sure that the good pre-season play of those goalies (Thibault and Sabourin) can continue into the season&#8230;besides Thibault will likely get injured if history is any indication and open the door for the 3rd goalie to play.</p>
<p>Personally i would not trade Fleury based on pre-season games since i think he can be sent down without having to clear waivers and called up if one falters or gets injured. I&#8217;m not sure what teams are willing to give for Fleury but it would have to be a very good deal for me to trade him.</p>
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		<title>By: FlamingHomer</title>
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		<dc:creator>FlamingHomer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2006 17:21:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wouldn&#039;t bother to repeat anything that came from CKNW.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t bother to repeat anything that came from CKNW.</p>
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		<title>By: pensfan29</title>
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		<dc:creator>pensfan29</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2006 16:45:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Marc-Andre Fleury will never leave the Penguins.... ever simple as that, hes a key part of the future here and you dont give up on prospects after only playing the equivalant of one full nhl season, thats just stupid.&lt;br /&gt;
The penguins were to concentrated with putting asses in the seats than making sure fleury gets developed properly, his 03-04 season he played on 4 teams, how could he develope?????  Give him time... he&#039;s a future HOFer along with lehtonen]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marc-Andre Fleury will never leave the Penguins&#8230;. ever simple as that, hes a key part of the future here and you dont give up on prospects after only playing the equivalant of one full nhl season, thats just stupid.<br />
The penguins were to concentrated with putting asses in the seats than making sure fleury gets developed properly, his 03-04 season he played on 4 teams, how could he develope?????  Give him time&#8230; he&#8217;s a future HOFer along with lehtonen</p>
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		<title>By: mtlfan11</title>
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		<dc:creator>mtlfan11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2006 15:27:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What about Jonathan Bernier? Stupid comment]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about Jonathan Bernier? Stupid comment</p>
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