Damien Cox thinks that the Leafs are done dealing

Barring more injuries, the Leafs are probably done trading until the deadline. Nonis already added Peter Holland from Anaheim earlier this season. And Nazem Kadri? Despite the rumours, he’s no more available than he was at the start of the season. If some team comes calling and offering a centre in his early twenties, the Leafs will listen.


60 Responses to Damien Cox thinks that the Leafs are done dealing

  1. LN91 says:

    FUCALE leads Canada off to the bronze…Wrong about your prediction, eh lafleur?

    • mapleleafsfan says:

      I thought Fucale was OK, not great but not bad. Massive save to keep them in it, but then brutally weak goal to kill them.

      Whole team was pathetic though, respect to Finland.

      • LN91 says:

        Oh I agree…Fucale was solid, but not amazing. It’s not like Dansk who was a brick wall this tournament.

        Montreal, Columbus, Nashville have the most prospects in this tournament at 6!

        Columbus though, has some great players in this tournament…I like Jarko Kekkalainen

        • lafleur10 says:

          we have some real good ones coming de la rose,collberg,reway,lekhonen,hudon,fucale are all going to be very solid players in our lineup in the future i think reway look very good for slovakia…. collberg i thought should’ve been better but i still liked what i see from him ,,,i think fucale will be very good he will work with stepan waite our (goaltender coach) who is i think one of if not the best in the league ,he’ll re fine fucale’s game and he’ll be amazing
          jarmo kekalainen is a very,very god scout of the european sysytem look what he did for ottawa,st.louis and now columbus

          • LN91 says:

            Well, they ALL won’t be in the Habs lineup but I think De La Rose and Fucale for sure will be in it. Lekhonnen should be a good penalty killer, 3/4 line playr.

            Unsure about Collberg, Hudon, and Reway…Because they ALL play the same game. Small and skilled wingers, which the Habs have an abundance of. 1/3 of these guys will probably be on the Habs.

            I was happy with Andreas Johnson’s performance…He’s been an offensive juggernaut for Frolunda all year and a constant threat for Sweden.

            Furthermore, he went from a no-name a few months back…To being named 1 of Sweden’s top-three players today with Wennberg (CLB) and Forsberg (NSH). That is some great company…And was named over the likes of Burakovsky, De La Rose, Elias Lindholm, and Sebastian Collberg! So, was happy because that’s some great company.

            Herzog led the scoring for the Swiss…Not an offensive team, so I’m pleased with it. Do not think he will ever make it on the Leafs squad.

            Gauthier, will probably handle defensive opportunities and faceoffs for the Leafs in the future.

            • lafleur10 says:

              johnson looked really good for the swedes he looked like mantha on our side lol …that sweden team has sic skill and talent though i will be very surprised if they don’t hammer finland in the gold medal game ,finalnd does have some really good players,however i think tervainen is the best player in this tournament even though he wasn’t leading it in scoring but skill wise he looked very dominat the blackhawks will have another very good player in their lineup …nothing like making them evern stronger
              ln91 how dumb does washington look for giving up forsberg…talk about a fleecing i think poile must have got macphhe good and drunk to rob him like that no way erat is worth forsberg! lol

    • lafleur10 says:

      yup ….lol i thought for sure they were going to win gold the team started to get better,and better as the tournament went on i think we will win bronze lol

      • LN91 says:

        They were all brutal today.

        I think Drouin should recieve the title of “Most Overrated Canadian Superstar of All Time” title.

        Funny though, that bigot Don Cherry criticized Dale Tallon on twitter for selecting Alexander Barkov over Jonathan Drouin! Well, who the hell would you take?

        Also, I want to see his list of excuses tonight. I will right them down.

        • mapleleafsfan says:

          I think thats debatable. Drouin has unreal talent, he was by far then most skilled guy on the ice when he was on. Barkov is bigger, and that’s why he’s playing now. I think both will be beauty players, but it’s too early to say who was right. Barkov’s been solid, but he’s hardly lighting the world on fire.

  2. LN91 says:

    I would agree with this…They got a second-line center prospect and a shutdown D.

    Unless they’re out of it by the deadline, I doubt they will do much more.

  3. leafy says:

    Fire Carlyle already!!!! He makes Ron Wilson look like Al Arbour!

  4. LN91 says:

    Okay, is someone seeing something in Kadri that I’m not seeing right now?

    Offensively he’s bringing nothing, defensively he’s bringing nothing, faceoff’s he’s bringing nothing, effort he’s bringing nothing.

    And it’s not like it’s his teammates. When he was with Kessel/JVR, the line was completely useless…When he’s been with Raymond/Lupul, they have been brutal.

    Evidence is in his production…Last 20 games, 8 points, -10

    Now, this is going back to leafy’s “Fire Carlyle”


    1) Kessel-Bozak-JVR has worked. Okay, set.

    2) How does he not realize that when Kadri made Kessel/JVR useless…That his best line in that period was Lupul-Holland-Raymond. They actually had a 200 foot game.

    In reality, when Bozak returned…The forward lines should have been:


    I don’t care about Kadri’s skill…His play did not deserve top-6 minutes when Bozak returned. THAT SIMPLE. He keeps on getting a free pass by the coaching staff and it is annoying. Carlyle is setting a horrible precedent with this squad that ‘poor play’ makes you remain ‘high’ in the lineup.

    I really wanted to know what Carlyle said to Holland when Bozak returned…”You were probably our best center when Bozak was out, unlike Kadri and McClement, you actually played well in both ends of the ice…So, as a reward were moving you to the 4th line where will destroy your development with 5 minutes a night. Woohoo”.

    One thing I miss about Ron Wilson…He was never scared to scratch or bench an actual ‘star’ player, and most of the time, he got a response.

    Rant over…But when you only have 1 regulation win in the last 25 games, you seriously have to think your team is shit.

    • lafleur10 says:

      the sens ,rangers are closing in on you very fast you ‘ll be out of it soon…maybe not the worst thing either because maybe your gm will realize that carlyle must go and that he’ll have to change things on your team because the team that he’s put together is overrated and not that good and he’ll work on fixing his defence the eak area of your team

      • LN91 says:

        The team is not ‘overrated’…They just got outworked every night for some reason and there appears to be some disconnect somewhere.

        This is mostly the same unit that has been here for years…And I saw better efforts from this squad when their was no talent here and they would lose every game they dominated.

        • lafleur10 says:

          well then there just not that good i mean when the were in 1 st place for the whole week in november.. all the bragging i heard was how good they were,how they had the best tandem in the league ..i think once reality set in they realized you guys are just not that good

          • LN91 says:

            They do have one of the strongest tandem in the leagues…Do you think Price would even manage a week here being outshot as much as those 2 have?

            Their’s an issue with motivation and work on this team…The talent is their, but they’re not putting it together for some reason.

            • lafleur10 says:

              price would because playing goal in montreal is the tioughest out of any market by far because of the big shoes he has to fill from all the past all time greats..and he has/was outshot here the past few games and manged to do just finetheir is talent there for sure but not as much as we are lead to believe their is.. there tandem is good but i think ours as a whole is better

              • LN91 says:

                Price is good, but Budaj…Is an average back up.

                Who cares if Montreal is hard to play in? I guess Toronto is a cake walk for goalies to play in.

                Bernier (7) and Reimer are in the top-13 in save percentages, in an equally tough market as Montreal, AND get outshot 50-25 each game. If you believe that is easy…Then by god, you do not know goaltending.

    • lafleur10 says:

      we have more regulation wins in the past 4 games than the Leafs have in the past 22 games. Be thankful it’s not 3 points for a regulation win because the Leafs would be outside looking in for a long time now.

    • leafs_wallace93 says:

      Yeah, Wilson was awesome, berate all young talent. Gardiner get a pass when he pulls his disappearing actual for 10 games or so but Kadri gets buried. At least Kadri has some edge, he’ll draw penalties, throw the body (not saying he’s menacing). I don’t get why people criticize Kadri for Crosby calling him a joke. Would you rather you’re opponent ignore him? If Kadri can get in Crosby’s head, then that’s a good thing.

      Kadri is still a project, He’ll have an impact here and there as he develops but don’t expect a great 82 game consistent performance. If the alternative is Holland, yikes.

      • LN91 says:

        What edge has Kadri brought? I’ve seen nothing.

        Whose head has Kadri got into? Last time I checked, all opposing forward-lines are torching his right now. To get in someone’s head, is to actually disrupt their game.

        If he’s getting a free pass for an occasional hit and a penalty here and then…By golly, this team is more dysfuntional then I thought.

        If Holland is actually playing well, you play him…That’s what a good coach does. Look at yesterday with Mats Zucarello.

        • leafs_wallace93 says:

          Lol, Holland is Colbourne without the size.

          • Gambo says:

            Yeah I like Holland, but I’m not that high on him like everyone else. Don’t think he’ll ever be much in the league, maybe i’m wrong.

          • mojo19 says:

            Holland plays a big game though. He’s only a few inches shorter than Colborne, but Colborne was a pussy. He plays like he’s 5’10. I’d take Holland any day.

            I’m inclined to think Holland is already better than Kadri.

            • realistic_leafs_fan says:

              Agreed. At this point, Holland is a better overall centre then Kadri.imo

            • leafs_wallace93 says:

              I’m not knocking Holland, glad we have him, just pointing out the gap between Kadri and Holland.

              Funny how all the smart marks were saying how important Kadri and Franson were all summer now they want to run Kadri out of town. And these people want a rebuild? With what patience?

              • realistic_leafs_fan says:

                Kadri has undeniable talent, but personally, I have never been big on him and predicted that now that teams are aware of him, his play will drop off big. I still think it is an attitude problem with him and hope he realizes what it will take to be a top pro, but I’m not sure that moment will come anytime soon. 1 pt in 9 games is brutal for the icetime he gets ands who he plays with.
                As for Franson, I don’t get the hate, he is still putting up points, playing more minutes and against a lot better competition. He is not supposed to be a top 2 d-man, but people expect that kind of play. At $2mil, he is still a bargain.

          • LN91 says:

            So? Kadri is the downside of Alexander Semin?

  5. leafy says:

    There is zero doubt in my mind that if Carlyle was coaching in Montreal, Philly or Boston, he’d be canned by now.

    • lafleur10 says:

      your right leafy he would’ve been

    • leafs_wallace93 says:

      I’m not defending Caryle but the league is littered with quality ex Montreal coaching staff, hell it’s Therrian’s 2nd time around. Philly also has been a revolving door for coaches due to reactionary management. It’s hurt both clubs IMO.

      Julian (who Montreal canned with a winning record, funny) has been on the chopping block a number of times in Boston and Boston has been loyal to him. Boston is clearly the best in the East, hmmm..

  6. lafleur10 says:

    here’s a question that i have for leafs fans,i was wondering if they could help me out i’m in one of these keeper leagues( i’m too old for one of these but i thought i’d try it…my friend asked me to join) so i took over this team that’s pretty good it’s in the top 3 and within striking distance of the lead…anyway i have a chance to acquire kessel and franson in my league we count 8 forwards and 5 defenceman and 1 goalie now is jvr and franson worth grabbing? the guy is asking for j.brodin,m.moulson ,1st rd pick and t.teravainen in this keeper league he wants to drop in the standing so he can get one of top 3 picks so in a keeper league what is the value of these guys? in a keeper league lol like i said i’m too old for thses things and haven’t done one lol i know the players in the league lol but in a keeper league that goes year to year i need to ask a few of my fellow leafs fans friends on here!

    • mapleleafsfan says:

      That’s actually really tough.

      It sort of depends on when you think Teravainen will join the league, and the impact he will make. If he jumps right into the 2nd line spot on Kane’s wing next year, Teravainen is going to get good stats regardless playing with a winger like kane. If it’s a few years from now though, Moulson’s play will likely have dropped off a bit (he’s 30 now, which actually really surprised me. Thought he was younger), and you might not even keep him on the team. I think for the next 5-6 years you can consider Kessel a lock from anywhere between 70-85 points, so it depends on when/if you think Teravainen will be putting up big numbers. Another thing to consider is there are more Centers who put up around PPG than wingers. So it might be easier to grab a Center who’s putting up good stats than it is to find a RW who scores at Kessels rate. For example a C like Grabo is likely available who would be putting up similar numbers to Teravainen.

      Franson is actually a really solid Fantasy D-man. He puts up pretty good point numbers, gets a lot of shots and hits a lot (if you track that stat, he’s 1st in the league among D-men I believe). Brodin is a much better defenceman, but strictly from a fantasy standpoint you get more out of Franson (for now). He’s got more points, almost double the shots, a lot of hits etc. Brodin has a pretty high ceiling though, so that could tip in his favour eventually.

      Not sure if that helps at all, but it pretty much comes down to potential and how long you’re sticking with the league. Kessel/Franson make you much better now, but depending on how Teravainen turns out and depending on who the pick is as well, it could very well turn in his favour. And again, it is harder to find a high scoring RW than it is a C. The 30th ranked C has 30 points, the 30th ranked RW has 22. There are 5 RWs at 40+ points, and 10 Cs.

  7. lafleur10 says:

    i meant kessel sorry i didn’t know where van reimsdyk came in dam typing lol

  8. leafs_wallace93 says:

    Oh noooooo, we lost yall 🙁

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