Draft day stupidity or genious??? FA still in question

Ok, Draft day has come and gone and as everyone now knows, Patrick Kane is a Blackhawk. But, what did Montreal do? Well, for what seems like a long run of “terrible” drafting, the Habs, yet again, took a defencemen in the first round. Well, the Habs may have pulled off a huge mistake, as they passed up on a highly coveted Russian (who blames them?) and possibly the missing right winger for Crosby and Malkin in Esposito. Well, Ryan McDonagh is going to have to prove his worth one way or another. I almost cried when i heard McDonagh’s name because I wanted the Habs to take Esposito but after i pulled myself together, i thought about this pick. This is what I came up with. Souray is walking this year, more then likely, McDonagh is 18, and in 23 games last year, he scored 10 goals and added 23 assists and 44 penalty minutes. Well, Souray is 31 and scored 26 goals and 38 assists for 64 points as well as 135 penalty minutes, all in 81 games. To put things in perspective, had McDonagh played 81 games, he would have scored 35 goals, 81 assists for 116 points as well as 154 penalty minutes. Now I know its terrible to compare players, but in McDonagh, I see a younger but smaller Souray (McDonagh is 6’1, 195 lbs and Souray is 6’4, 223). By the time McDonagh is ready to go, it’ll be about the 2008-09 season and I believe that he can win the Calder because I believe that if Carbonneau is still at the helm of Montreal, McDonagh will QB the PP. And by then, the Habs will have Emelin hopefully and Pavel Vetarenko as well as Markov, and Komisarek and quite possibly Fisher as well.

For the Habs 2nd first round pick, I’m ecstatic. Max Pacioretty was an incredible pick by the Habs. he’s 6’2, 205 lbs and by the time he hits the NHL, he’ll be a good 215-220. He scored 21 goals and 63 points last year in 60 games and added over 100 PIM. It’ll be a long shot but, who does he remind you of? A player the Habs drafted in the late 80’s, he won the cup with them in 93, scoring a few OT winners and was later apart of the LOD line in Philly? Still don’t know? Well, he reminds me of John LeClair and hopefully the Habs learn from past mistakes and ride this kid out because I feel he’ll be one of the premier power forwards in the NHL by 2008-09. I doubt he’ll score 50 goals but an easy 30 could be on the horizon and maybe a cool 40. If I was at the helm in Montreal, I probably would have taken Esposito at 12 and a guy named Brett MacLean at 22. MacLean scored 47 goals and 100 points last year but as Habs fans know, 100 point scorers in the minors doesn’t translate to 100 point scorers in the AHL or NHL (Corey Locke). But, at first, I was disappointed with McDonagh and happy with Pacioretty but after careful thinking, I’m ecstatic to see both in Habs uni’s by 08-09.

Now, onto FA. In an interview during Draft Day, Bob Gainey said that he and Souray had yet to engage in serious contract talks. I believe Gainey because Buffalo has yet to negotiate with Briere or Drury seriously. I’m an optimistic person and I believe Souray may re-sign for 4 years at 5 million a year. Now, in the event that Souray walks, a perfect replacement would be Schneider. Not only is a PP QB, he could also help with the development of some of Montreals young Americans like Komisarek and McDonagh. Take it McDonagh probably won’t be at training camp this year but hey, you never know. Yes, Schneider is a quick fix but he’s a perfect quick fix because as McDonagh develops, Schneider can help keep the Habs competitive through a builing process. Now, if Habs fans don’t want a quick fix, why not sign D-man Mike Mottau or Micki DuPont? DuPont is a proven AHL scorer and if given the proper ice time, I believe he could excel in Montreal. Mottau is a proven set-up man in the AHL and I believe that if he were given decent ice time in the NHL, he could be an effective set-up man on the Habs 2nd PP line. Both players could sign at 500K each and at that price, I’d be willing to gamble on proven D-man scorers. Here’s a list I have made of who I believe the Habs can get and at a low cost:

Name-Pos. Salary for 07-08 Age Role
Mike Mottau-D $500 000 29 PP set-up man
Micki DuPont-D $500 000 27 PP point man
Matt Schneider-D $3.5 million 38 PP point man
Junior Lessard-RW $450 000 27 Decent 3rd line scorer
Jan Hejda-D $450 000 29 Decent 3rd line D-man
Pavel Brendl-W $400 000 28 Potential 2nd line scorer
Jani Rita-LW $400 000 28 Potential 2nd line scorer
Karel Pilar-D $500 000 30 Decent 3rd line D-man
Ric Jackman-D $800 000 29 Potential PP QB
Eric Belanger-C $1.2 million 30 3rd line checker/PK
Andy Sutton-D $1.5 million 32 3rd line checking D-man
Wayne Primeau-C $1.3 million 31 3rd line checking C/PK
David Tanabe-D $900 000 27 3rd line D-man/Potential 2nd PP
Michal Handzus-C $1.5 million 30 2nd line big Centre/FO specialist
Ossi Vaananen-D $1.2 million 27 2nd line D-man/PK
Daniel Tjarnqvist-D $950 000 31 3rd line D-man
Tom Poti-D $3 million 30 PP QB/set up
Pascal Dupuis-LW $1 million 28 Potential 2nd line goal scorer
Tom Preissing-D $1.2 million 29 2nd line D-man/PP set up
Scott Hannad-D $2.2 million 28 Proven top-4 D-man
Yannick Tremblay-D $800 000 32 Proven PP QB
Joe DiPenta-D $750 000 28 Solid top 6 D-man

And last but definitely not least, I would take a chance on a former Chicago Blackhawk winger, Eric Daze. Ya, ya, he hasn’t played in over 3 years but, truth be told, he has been playing. In beer leagues in Quebec. He’s been doing this to stengthen his back and he is a proven 30 goal scorer and hes huge (6’6, 230 pounds) and hes quick. You could easily get him for 500 000 or less. Fill the contract with inscentives, and the Habs got themselves a 40 goial scorer.

Now, I’m not saying to go after every single one of these guys but go after and sign a few of them. Though they may not be house-hold names, they are hard working players with a fewscores to settle with the teams that drafted them and let them go. They will be hungry for NHL action and would be a perfect fit with a young and coming hungry Habs team. I have also seen some of these players play in Europe and they did really well and their exists an even bigger trap system in places like Europe. I would like to see Daze, Schneider, Jackman, Sutton, Handzus and Dupuis in a Habs uni next year. This is just my thoughts and it would make sense to take small gambles on hungry players then a big gamble on big time players who just might not play up to Montreal expectations.


41 Responses to Draft day stupidity or genious??? FA still in question

  1. EasternHockey says:

    Terrible drafting?!  Are you saying the Canadiens have been drafting poorly for years?  What planet are you from?  I don't even have to mention names, as to say how insane that comment is.

    The only thing I don't care about Timmins' #1 pick is the fact that he's played HIGHSCHOOL hockey in the US.  Whoopdeshit.  So did that player we drafted last year, who didn't do very well last season.  As far as I remember, they were both from Minnesota.

  2. bernie1parent says:

    haha, you're starting to seem like a toronto fan.  Schneider is going to want more then 3.5, he'll get at least 4.5 on the open market because as you said, hes a PP specialist.  Handzus is going to get no less then 3.5, for christ sake, the flyers set the stage real high by signing hartnell for 4 mill when hes only been a 40point scorer.  Those two, you have vastly under priced, they'll get a lot more then you expect.  I doubt handzus would sign with montreal for one reason, hes going to stick with chicago.

  3. mtl_prince says:

    omg pittsburgh is frekin stacked now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    crosby, malkin, stall and esposito down the middle, are you kidding me?!?!?!? thats insane, plan the parade route cause the pens will be winning stanley cups!

  4. ryrad8 says:

    i agree with with the McDonagh thing, he is a good player. But when was the last the last time a defenceman scored over 100 points. Montreal pickeed 2 good players when they could of picked a great player and a good player. I was praying that Esposito would of droped two more spots, or montreal would of smarted up and traded up two spots.

  5. EasternHockey says:

    Did you just compare Esposito to Crosby, Malkin and Staal?  Does anyone else see a problem with that?

  6. EasternHockey says:

    While I felt the same way yesterday, how can you say that McDonagh won't become a great player, but Esposito will?  20 teams passed on a great player?  Come on, the only reason anyone from Montreal cared so much for Esposito was because he was from here, he WAS at one point #1, and has fallen drastically.  It was a pipe dream.  Regardless, in my opinion he should have been drafted, but I'm not a scout, and I didn't spend countless months watching them play.

  7. habsgod says:

    bob gainey really blew on this pick! there is no excuse for this!!!as a die hard habs fan my heart broke into two pieces when he just past on esposito and cherepanov!!and took that stiff mcdonagh!!! bob gainey and trevor timmins should be both fired from there jobs as soon as the plane lands in montreal!! for dropping the ball on this!! this team has a history of doing this is it is time that someone steps from the organization steps up and corrects these mistakes by doing something gutsy as firing gainey!!! make a statement habs organization by doing this!!!

  8. bureisking says:

    I agree that comparision is too far-fetched, plus they won't be able to sign all of these guys when they are FA's in 2 years, plus they will have to sign Fleury, Whitney, who else, in my opinion, Pit must win now or never….

  9. ryrad8 says:

    I Agree 100%

  10. HotDogAllDressed says:

    I believe they said the same about Ottawa

  11. Mainer87 says:

    FIRED? u r a dumbass. esposito is a weak overrated centreman. we have enough centres on the team and our picking has been great. o yes terrible picks eh? it was so bad that we didn't take brule and instead we took CAREY PRICE. I don't think it is a fluke that we r ranked 2nd in league prospects and that our team just won the Calder Cup where quite a few of our prospects are. The only mistakes we have is samsonov who is gone and kovalev. your name "habsgod" is a joke so go and do us a favour and cheer for somebody else if u have no faith when in a couple of years we will be reaching our potential.

  12. MogilnyFan1990 says:

    You think that 'McDonagh' will win the Calder trophy in 08-09,,, the same year that Tavares will probably get drafted in? hahaha.. even if Tavares doesn't get drafted next year, anyone else will probably beat him for the Calder race.  What about Cherepanov who is probably coming to play in 08 unless the Rangers snag him from Russia for this year?  Just because you ahve high hopes for him, doesn't mean you can say he is going to be freaking amazing.

  13. habsrock99 says:

    im not saying that hes gonna b freakin amazing, im only saying hes gonna b a force and just because u can score, dont mean ur guaranteed the Calder. As for Cherapanov, thers a reason why he slipped from 5 to 17 and its not because of the Russian aggreement. its because hes a terrible team player and hes selfish. just cuz Tavares is a great OHL player, dont mean thats gonna translate into the NHL. unless he gains some serious strength and weight, he'll b destroyed by the NHL.

  14. jonnygf40 says:

    He didn't compare them, he just said they're stacked down the middle. 

  15. habsrock99 says:

    yes Esposito will turn into a good centremen but not picking him was a statement made by Bob Gainey that HE runs the team, not the city of Montreal, and by taking McDonagh, he just solved a future PP problem since Souray will most likely be leaving. Gainey has done several mediocre moves in his Montreal tenure but, let's not forget that before his daughter died, he was a draft pick away from getting Datsyuk from Detroit for SAMSONOV!!! Though bright spots have been taken by montreal like Price, Latendresse and the Kostitsyns, Montreal is not really the greatest 1st round drafting team. They have passed on several future stars for, 3rd liners. And they have a habit of taking defencemen when they should be taking forwards. 

  16. habsrock99 says:

    Schneider wont get 4.5 for one reason, his age. As for Handzus, he can't ask for a lot because he is coming off a major knee operation to repair ligament damage. And, to top it off, Schneider has been telling people that he wishes to end his career in Montreal. Handzus, i expect him to go to a contending team, not a rebuilder like Chicago.

  17. habsgod says:

    mainer87 you *****ing dumb son-of a *****!! i've been a life long habs fan and that will never change!!! so i can't and won't cheer for another team!!! you say that we have alot of centres!!!but none of which can make an impact!!!! esposito might!!! infact playing in pittsburgh with crosby and malkin,staal and company he will!!! what young impact centre do we have right now?!!!!!none! i have faith but when you have a chance to make great pick,(i.e)esposito or cherepanov!! you do it!! you mentioned that we passed on brule for price!! well i agree thats one pick,but brule i'm glad wasn't picked by us!!he would have been small like the rest of our forwards!!! esposito could have and would have given you some size!!! and as for cherepanov that was the guy we should have taken hands down as well!!! your going to say he's small!!yes he is but this guy without adoubt is and will be a superstar in the N.H.L.!!! and we haven't had a superstar forward since lafleur!!!!!!or a100 point scorer since mats naslund!! the last 50 goal scorer we had was stephane richer!! and i don't see one in our farm system anytime soon!!!!cherepanov could've been that guy!!!! esposito could have been a solid 80-85 point guy as well!,something we haven't had in about 10 years!or more!!! the thats great that we won the calder cup but give your head a shake and wake up!! other than price and maybe o'bryne how many of them will make our team and make an impact!!

  18. habsgod says:

    mainer87 you *****ing dumb son-of a *****!! i've been a life long habs fan and that will never change!!! so i can't and won't cheer for another team!!! you say that we have alot of centres!!!but none of which can make an impact!!!! esposito might!!! infact playing in pittsburgh with crosby and malkin,staal and company he will!!! what young impact centre do we have right now?!!!!!none! i have faith but when you have a chance to make great pick,(i.e)esposito or cherepanov!! you do it!! you mentioned that we passed on brule for price!! well i agree thats one pick,but brule i'm glad wasn't picked by us!!he would have been small like the rest of our forwards!!! esposito could have and would have given you some size!!! and as for cherepanov that was the guy we should have taken hands down as well!!! your going to say he's small!!yes he is but this guy without adoubt is and will be a superstar in the N.H.L.!!! and we haven't had a superstar forward since lafleur!!!!!!or a100 point scorer since mats naslund!! the last 50 goal scorer we had was stephane richer!! and i don't see one in our farm system anytime soon!!!!cherepanov could've been that guy!!!! esposito could have been a solid 80-85 point guy as well!,something we haven't had in about 10 years!or more!!! the thats great that we won the calder cup but give your head a shake and wake up!! other than price and maybe o'bryne how many of them will make our team and make an impact!!

  19. habsrock99 says:

    i never once said Montreal is a terrible drafting team. I'm saying some of their picks r really questionable. When Price was drafted in 05, it was the worlds stupidest 5 overall pick. But luckily for the Habs, Price has filled out perfectly. The same can't be said for other first round picks like, Andrei Kostitsyn. Though i love Andrei, he was a bad first rounder. last years guy, another bad first rounder. Taking defencemen in the first round isn't the Habs strong suit. and if u read what i said, i distinctly said that McDonagh is going to fill into Sourays role as PP QB. Something Montreal is going to desperately need by 08-09.

  20. habsrock99 says:

    im not saying that McDonagh will score 100 points, i was just making a point that he is a younger Souray. As for the last 100 point D-man, Al MacInnis in 1989. Esposito isn't going to be a great player, he'll be a good player at best. Unless he develops a better attitude and makes use of his line mates more often, he'll b a 2nd-3rd liner for his career.

  21. EasternHockey says:

    Price was the world's stupidest 5 overall pick?  That's the world's stupidest statement.  The world's stupidest 5 overall pick would have been if they drafted someone ranked 700+ a #5.  Not a goalie who they scouted for a long time.  As I've said atleast 5 times already, scouts get paid to watch these kids a lot longer than you have.  Stats are fantastic and everything, but when you have many scouts, spending hundreds of hours watching these kids, the average hockey fan opinion, as well as the opinion of many sports writers, does not stand for much. 

    These people are PAID to find these kids, so whatever reason they had for drafting these players, so be it.  Five years from now, if they don't have a few good players playing at NHL level from our 1st round picks, then you could look back, and say "Hey man, did the Habs ever draft poorly."

  22. Les-Habitants says:

    Ryan McDonagh is considered by many as the best defenseman avaliable in this draft, and was the right choice for Gainey to make.  He's an extremely gifted offensive defenseman, with skill, speed, and grit, and anyone regretting this decision doesn't know the Habs strengths/weakness within its depth charts.

    That said, i was disappointed that Gainey did not make a stronger effort to trade up in the draft when it became clear the Esposito was not going to be taken between 15-18; however, Timmins did admit that Gainey had attempted to trade up and was simply unable to.

    Ryan, though, is a great pick and deservedly chosen over Esposito.  The Habs are weak along the line with strong d-man prospets, especially offensive on, and Ryan fills that hole.

    …I just wish we were able to get Esposito too.

  23. Les-Habitants says:

    ugh, a couple spelling mistakes…i really gotta re-read my posts from now on.

  24. wingsfan13 says:

    why did canadien fans panic???? because he's american? not Cherp?  racist.

  25. camerak says:

    Exactly what I was thinking…unless he uses his line mates better, reminding me a lot of Mike Riberio.  He was too slow to use his line mates properly.  Esposito has a bad attitude, so did Riberio, they both want to be the center of attention, but for all the wrong reasons

  26. mtl_prince says:

    they wont be unrestricted free agents, so theres nothing for pittsburgh to worry about for 7 years, for each player…..

  27. modk09 says:

    you're INCREDIBLY rosey eyed my friend. no one drafted this year will be playing for the habs in 08-09. you realize thats next season right???

    theyre good picks. id have liked cherapov of espo but i have faith in timmins and bob, since they took over we've been draftin great. befre that, savard did great. he havent had bad drafting since corey left…
  28. kamullia says:

    More than likely Esposito will be playing in the wings in Pittsburgh in order to fit in one of the top two lines. However, this team is becoming so skilled with each year they draft that there is the outside chance (although extremely unlikely) that they would end up with three scoring lines and one rotating line (with centers rotating double-shifts) to do the blue-collar duties.

    But you have a safe bet on Angelo on the wing with the Pens. In fact, if Esposito does not transition well to the wing the Pens would have a hard time fitting him in the lineup and they would probably end up trading some time down the road.

  29. Habfanforever says:

         I'm really sick and tired about everyone bashing Gainey, it's always the same old story year after year, everyone bashes Gainey because he didn't take the "local kid" or the overhyped one. Esposito may be a local boy but he DOESN'T address the organization's needs. Another smallish forward with loads of speed and talent but shies away from the physical part of the game. Habs have tons of players like that. We need guys with a combination of grit and talent. They started going in the right direction with Latendresse and now this Pacioretty guy seems like another monster on the wing. Next, Alexei Cherepanov, like Esposito shies away from the physical aspect AND he's still got a contract in Russia for another year AND he has a reputation of having attitude and consistency problems, remind you of anyone here in Montreal?

       Now there's this arrogance I'm seeing everywhere about these guys drafted out of high schools. In the first round alone, 10 Americans where selected and a good 6-7 of them come from a high-school league. Is it so hard to admit that the USDP are producing a good product? Is it so hard to see that GM's see their potential ranging from favorable projects to safe picks to sure shot NHL-ers? When the Habs drafted Komisarek a few years back, no one knew who he was and the same bashing was going on and now he's developping into what may be the best 2nd pairing defenseman in the NHL. Same bashing went on with Price who is now considered the top goalie not yet in the NHL. David Fischer, many will argue, did not have a spectacular season. In his defense, he had limited ice-time (6-7 minutes a game) and virtually no PP time and some PK time. Now with Erik Johnson graduating, it is safe to say he'll become the team's 1st paring defenseman.

      Give the management and scouting staff the benefit of the doubt. Timmins is a great hockey mind (look what he did for the Sens) and has scouted tremendously well in the past 3-4 years. Get to know the players that were drafted before doing your bashing.

      If Cherepanov and Esporito were passed up by more than half the teams in the league, its for a reason, think about it.

  30. Mainer87 says:

    Right on man. At least there is another habs fan who looks at reality. Gainey and Timmins got it right.

  31. Pony says:

    Show some love for Leetch with 102 pts in 91-92.

  32. habsoverserver says:

    it's fair to bash gainey for missing the playoff,  but too early to bash him for the draft. 

  33. habsrock99 says:

    trust me, they will be. Look at Komisarek, was in university 1 year and played 45 games in Hamilton and made the jump to the Habs. Same will go for McDonagh and Pocieretty.

  34. habsrock99 says:

    ok, im not bashing Gainey or any of the Habs scouts. the "terrible" i put ther was from the Pierre McGuire's own words before the draft and during the draft. But, u can not, i repeat CANNOT say Gainey and his staff haven't made a bad pick because they have.

  35. habsrock99 says:

    dude, r u calling me a racist? and did i sound like i was panicing? I'm not, i expressed my views and clearly showed my opinions on both McDonagh and Pocieretty. I seriously can't wait for them to make the NHL. 

  36. ferron says:

       The reality is that we haven't had a 50 goals scorer for twenty yearS and a 100pts man for 25 years. So yes Montreal had problems drafting stars  till Timins showed up but i didn't want MTL to make a deffensive D-man there first pick but then went on to draft FIVE more, everybody say that MTL needs D-Men, what we need is a SPARK,  A prospect that has a chance to become a electrifying Superstar one day! But Timins has proven time after time that HE knew more than i did when it came to drafting!

  37. ferron says:

       The reality is that we haven't had a 50 goals scorer for twenty yearS and a 100pts man for 25 years. So yes Montreal had problems drafting stars  till Timins showed up but i didn't want MTL to make a deffensive D-man there first pick but then went on to draft FIVE more, everybody say that MTL needs D-Men, what we need is a SPARK,  A prospect that has a chance to become a electrifying Superstar one day! But Timins has proven time after time that HE knew more than i did when it came to drafting!

  38. dcz28 says:

    If all Schneider wanted was 3.5 million per season he would be signed already. Holland said Schneider was looking for way more then the Wings were looking to sign him for which is more likely over 4 – 4.5 million per season maybe even 5 million. If he can't get that much he would likely take less from the Wings and have another shot at the cup before moving his family to Montreal.

    As for Handzus he has said he is looking for 4 million per season and a team will likely give him that or close to it since Hartnell is making that much.

    Preissing will likely get atleast 2.5 to 3 million a year since he is this years Brian Pothier and Pothier got 2.5 million on a long term deal from Washington.

    If your thinking of Montreal signing these players (the ones i just mentioned) for cheap the only way that would happen is if they are not signed before training camp opens and no teams are calling for them anymore.

  39. Rickoo7 says:

    next season it s the 07-08…….not the 08-09….

  40. Habfanforever says:

    why is it a bad pick?

     Because his name isin't Ryan Gagnon?

     Because he's from a high school?

     I dunno, why?

  41. habsrock99 says:

    umm, seriously man, i really could care less if he's french or not and i didn't say he was a *****ing bad pick. his name could b Ryan Ihavenopenis for all i care, as long as he can play. he could have raped a chick and i wouldn't care (thats a lil much i kno, but catch my drift?). Mike Komisarek isn't French and when the Habs drafed him, i was ecstatic. Andrei Kostitsyn isn't French and i liked that pick although i believe montreal could have gotten a better offensive player. Koivu isn't French and he's by far my favourite player. I hate Franciz Bouillon and he's French. Catch my drift yet? 

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