Comments on: Ducks to Shop Chris Pronger?

By: the_word

the_word — Sun, 25 Jan 2009 14:32:15 +0000

Nope, I'm well aware of Staal's contract status, that is what makes him such an attractive commodity. Fours years at four per, would be an excellent fit for the Ducks. Its the type of player with a good contract that would interest the Ducks who as I have already descirbe in another post in thread, need not deal Pronger.

By: leafy

leafy — Sun, 25 Jan 2009 08:39:41 +0000

I dig.

By: NHLSlayer

NHLSlayer — Sun, 25 Jan 2009 01:08:57 +0000

I know, the first line in my comment was that I do agree with most of his assumptions on Steen. Overvalued, big time..

I was just stating that it wasn't JUST Steen involved in the deal with Edmonton that made JFJ balk at it, it was the combo of Steen plus Kabby. Nothing more.

By: leafy

leafy — Sat, 24 Jan 2009 16:23:41 +0000

Actually that rings a bell. Knowing JFJ, he probably nixed it. Can you imagine trading Steen for Carter now? Hell would have to freeze over.

By: leafy

leafy — Sat, 24 Jan 2009 16:22:00 +0000

Then nice call, King. There were a lot of people 3 years ago that thought Steen would have a better career. While still early, it looks like Stajan has the edge now.

By: leafy

leafy — Sat, 24 Jan 2009 16:18:32 +0000

To give you the background, there has been a long on-going discussion on Alex Steen among HTR users.

The point that doesn't come across in this thread is that Word has been saying for a long time that Steen will not amount to much.

And although we are discussing the ill-fated Pronger trade, it's really detracting from the main point, which is that Word was right all along.

By: Bure96

Bure96 — Sat, 24 Jan 2009 16:08:37 +0000

Edler right now isn't much worse then player's like Thomas Kaberle, and Andrei Markov were when they were 23. Not saying he'll be a star like one of them for sure, but he has upside. He's very skilled, big, and suprising physical.

By: NHLSlayer

NHLSlayer — Sat, 24 Jan 2009 15:42:27 +0000

I'm saying you're obviously over valuing your guys, which is common place here on the site.

Grabner being "decent" was my word to say he was the good player in the deal, wasn't trying to bash him. Edler won't be a top pairing guy, you've got a clear bias there. But he should remain a solid NHL rearguard.

White is a nobody, pure and simple, and was probably a bad choice by the Nucks. I think you might be able to get Pronger for Edler, Grabner, and Schneider, but if you think he'll come cheaper than that, prepare to be disappointed. It won't happen.

By: Bure96

Bure96 — Sat, 24 Jan 2009 15:21:54 +0000

Grabner just decent? He's on pace for 40 goals in only his 2nd AHL season. He could be a game breaker in the NHL. Anaheim lacks depth, and explosiveness on the wings, so Grabner would be absolutely perfect.

Alex Edler has high value. He's only in his 2nd full season. It's like saying guys like Stamkos, Gagner, and other young players having rough seasons have no value. Edler hasn't been that bad anyways, just in the last couple months he's shown a tendency to turn the puck over. He could be a legit #1 defender in the league down the road, and like I said already he's signed long term too. His value is still very high, because he's a top end NHL ready prospect.

Pat White doesn't have huge offense upside. I never said that. His stats are misleading. He's a lot like Ryan Kesler was before he broke out and became possibly the best young shutdown center in the league. Not saying he'll be a truly elite shutdown center, but he could be a solid player. He's a very recent 1st rounder, so it's not like he can even be viewed as a bust at this point.

Pretty much your saying it will cost MORE then 23 year old future top pairing defender, a potential 30-35 goal scorer, one of the few goalie prospects around who could be a franchise goalie, and a possible mid round 1st round pick for a 34 year old locker room problem.

By: NHLSlayer

NHLSlayer — Sat, 24 Jan 2009 13:56:17 +0000

Edler, by your own account, is playing like crap, so his value is low now, like it or not. Grabner may be decent, but White is already looking like a bust. Anaheim knows this.

If McIvor and White were taken out of the equation, AND if Cory Schneider was available, THEN they MAY bite, but it's still most likely a long shot.