Comments on: Feaster famine

By: reinjosh

reinjosh — Sat, 05 Nov 2011 12:55:50 +0000

I'm not against the retool type rebuild. The one year down, grab a high pick, retool the roster, get younger, move some contracts etc. It can work. It's also hard to do. I do believe its the better option than scorched earth though. Especially at the juncture the team is at, with Iggy still a viable star. You just have to be machiavellian about some players and willing to move some players you thought might be core members.

Keeping Giordano, Iggy and the prospects like Bartschi, Reinhart and a few others is key. I like Bourque but he's valuable. I'm not against trading Backlund.

This has to be done right though. Philly's example is the perfect one. They draft JVR one year and went back to being a top team. New Jersey's last year could work. Tampa's took a little longer but it was ok. I don't want to fill this team with a large amount of youngsters. It always ends up with a kids career getting ruined (Bailey is an example, Okposo/Voracek/Brassard are lesser examples, MPS is looking like his lack of top 6 time could hurt him). Fill some youngsters with ome older guys and it can work.

One thing is for sure though. This team needs to change and change this year.

By: reinjosh

reinjosh — Sat, 05 Nov 2011 12:33:57 +0000

The is a big difference though. Suter is better defensively, but Suter also didn't have the offensive help Kaberle had. I don't want to discount Kaberle because at his peak I think he was severely underrated, but Suter is probably underrated offensively. He isn't exactly underrated anymore (he's probably the worst kept secret in the league), but his offensive side would certainly hit a higher end potential on a more offensive team than the Predators.

Even if you think Kabby and Suter are different, dumbass is right. You pay for the extra 8 months you get in negotiations to resign him, which is a big difference between a 27 year old and a 34 year old. You get the 27 year olds prime (all of it), while you get the tail end of Kabby's prime.

And I don't know why everyone think's Letang is available. The Penguins have invested a large amount in him and he's showing them why. He is intergral to that squad. MPS wouldn't be enough at all. It would take an Eberle plus to get him.

Suter is the best bet you have at getting a top line dman PMD stud and you better believe that if you want him, its going to cost you a lot.

By: dumbassdoorman

dumbassdoorman — Sat, 05 Nov 2011 10:54:37 +0000

The other reason he will get more is if he is traded say before the deadline. All that extra negotiation time costs money…..some teams have paid 3rd &4ths just for a week let alone half a season.

By: TheLeafNation91

TheLeafNation91 — Sat, 05 Nov 2011 10:34:17 +0000

Suter is a cornerstone defencemen, I think as of right now, your overvaluing MPS a bit.

He is a blue chip prospect, however, he was not very good last year and has been horrendous this year. He is a bit like Kadri, where he might not be able to achieve his talent level or expectations, which I doubt Kadri as well.

For Suter and possibly Bogosian, they would recieve packages. In Suter's case, it would include a blue-chip prospect, a high level draft pick, and possibly more.

Suter is way above Kaberle, he has a better shot and tougher defensively.

As a Preds fan and knowing Poile, his gems will not go away lightly.

By: alpalstewart

alpalstewart — Sat, 05 Nov 2011 00:38:09 +0000

i'd trade either one of shattenkirk or bogosian for mps straight across. but i'm sure if the oil did trade him away they would like to move him to the eastern conference.

By: alpalstewart

alpalstewart — Sat, 05 Nov 2011 00:32:55 +0000

other than his age being 7 years younger than suter is, WHEN he was traded, i think kabby was about the same as far as potential. you say suter has the better upside but in reality suter is a steady 40 point defencemen. i would have to say suter is the better of the 2 defensively and kabby put up better numbers, its just a shame that he's washed up now.

like i said earlier, suter becomes a ufa and a big risk for any team to trade for him, this brings the asking price down by a prospect,

i do agree that it would take MPS but if he's made available then why wouldnt we go for letang, when the oilers were talking turkey with the pens it was mps they wanted in the package. abut tambo wouldnt budge on him being in the package and talks went south.

now we arent the scouting experts or anything but i'm sure you've heard all the good things about paajarvi, he's touted as a blue chipper and 29 other teams would love to have him.

but i'd say that right now he's kinda being wasted in EDM. he's not a 3rd liner, but with the hall,nuge,ebs line and the horcoff,smytty,hemmer line there isnt much room for him.

i would like to keep him for sure but this is a quality kid that deserves a chance to shine, he would be great fit in st.louis or buffalo IMO

By: reinjosh

reinjosh — Fri, 04 Nov 2011 21:50:10 +0000

True enough. Oh I conceded cause I was wrong, nothing worng with that haha.

And thanks man, I like reading your points too. They are just as solid.

By: MystifoLeafs

MystifoLeafs — Fri, 04 Nov 2011 20:27:39 +0000

Like Burke stated he had more than 7 D when he won the cup I am sure he is in no rush to trade Franson. I mean were not in dire need for an upgrade at the moment and unless a #1 center becomes available I don't see Franson being traded for the sake of trading him.

By: MystifoLeafs

MystifoLeafs — Fri, 04 Nov 2011 20:24:52 +0000

Kabby Garnered a Late 1st and a Prospect in Colbourne. Honestly for Suter expect something like MPS 1st and maybe a 2nd. I mean Kaberle was an older Suter. Not to mention Suter has much more upside than Kaberle.

By: alpalstewart

alpalstewart — Fri, 04 Nov 2011 19:44:55 +0000

you have to keep in mind that suter is a ufa at the end of the season, and his value is less than weber's. its always a risk with a ufa,if they dont deal him before the deadline they stand to lose him for nothing so in this sense the preds dont have the upper hand in the deal. i think MPs and just a pick gets suter, but they might want a decent d-man prospect too, so i'd say petry could also be added to the deal. but if i'm ythe oilers i just wait till july 1st and offer him the cash he will be worth. and lets face it these 2 guys might just bolt as soon as theyre free agents for a contender or the Rangers who buy everything they can. lol