Feb 21 – Updates

I’ll bet even money one of them is gone by Monday, though I’m not including Duchene in the list. That means – that’s right -I’ve included Stastny in the list of possible “touchables.”
Rumors – yup, I’ve heard a few. I have no real confidence in this one, but I’ve heard this one going around the water cooler. Ready?
Stastny, TJ Galiardi and maybe a pick/another player to Los Angeles for Jack Johnson, Jonathan Bernier and Jarret Stoll.

Now for the guy who I fear might be traded: O’Reilly.
I wouldn’t move him if I were GM, but I’m not the GM. I think O’Reilly is a quality kid who plays his rear end off and always will, and leads by example. But the numbers kind of leave you a little underwhelmed when you really look at them: five goals in 51 games, 16 points. And as much as you want to call him a good defensive player and PK guy, the fact is he’s been a big part of one of the worst PK units in the league statistically.
But he’s one of the few players on the Avs in plus territory (+2) on the current roster, and, again, I think he’s the kind of kid you want on your side.

Maybe the Avs won’t trade any of them, which is why I said it’s even money in my book. Could go either way. Maybe they try to make a winger out of O’Reilly now (he played a bit of wing in Saturday’s game if I’m not mistaken) and go from there, with McClement as the new third-line center?

But I definitely think the Avs will make more trades by Monday, and don’t be shocked if we get another shocker.


39 Responses to Feb 21 – Updates

  1. hockey_lover says:

    Well if its true, it would be a great pick up for the Pens.

    Neal is on pace for 30g/54pts and makes $2.875 for next season, a great rate and the Pens could sneak him under the cap.

    Goligoski makes $1.850 so the Stars save $1.25 million in salary for next season but still gain a decent offensive dman (although, he is occasionally suspect in his own end). However, 12g/45pts from your backend on $1.8mil in salary is pretty good.

    Be a great pick up for the Pens.

  2. reinjosh says:

    Didn't I suggest this a couple weeks or months ago? I could be remembering wrong though.

    This would be a perfect trade for both teams. Both fit needs of the other team, both are cheaper which fits both teams cap needs (including moving out over a million more for Dallas to use on Richards, as much as I don't want it to happen). I think it would be a great deal. Good old hockey trade too.

    I guess a lot would depend on Despres? How close it he?

  3. Leafs_the_word says:

    I wouldn't mind Burke offering Philly and Boston's 1st round picks for Neal.  He'd be a long term piece of the puzzle.

    Or ideally, one of those pick and MacAuthur.

  4. leafmeister says:

    Its done. Awesome trade for the Pens. Neal and Crosby are gonna be sick for years to come.

  5. hockey_lover says:

    Scouting says possibly next season and if not, the one after for sure. he is on track to be a quality dman.

    Having said that, moving out Gogo does hurt a bit offensively but with the emergence of Engelland and Lovejoy, Gogo is sort of expendable, especially if it comes at the price of a scoring winger at a really good rate.

  6. hockey_lover says:

    Link?  I havent seen confirmation anywhere

  7. TheLeafNation91 says:

    Pens win…They get Crosby a winger, and a capable defencemen???

    Kind of a head scratcher for Dallas

  8. LeafsFTW17 says:

    Wow with Neal and Kunitz on Crosby's wing, he will be getting the puck alot!

    Malkin is saying "Yes, I get dupius on my line now! <3 Crosby's sloppy seconds!"

    Didn't Crosby and Niskanen fight early in the season? How funny is that he has like 4 career fights and ends up on the team of one of them.

  9. albertateams says:

    Pens get the better in this trade. Neal is going to be fantastic with Sid.
    It does free up 2.5 million in cap space  for the stars, maybe a prelude to extending Richards. Goligoski is OK but Neal and Niskanen seems like an overpayment.

  10. LeafsFTW17 says:

    More cap space to sign Richards.

  11. LeafsFTW17 says:

    After Dallas trading Neal, does this mean they are buyers or sellers?

    IMO they are selling, they gave away the better piece to this trade and with Richards out with a concussion they are going to keep falling down the standings.

  12. lafleur10 says:

    great trade for the penguins james neal  is a stud he will be an awesome winger for crosby

     i heard that ray shero will be charged with larceny as he fleeced the satrs in this deal!

  13. TheLeafNation91 says:

    True…But I probably would of gave away Kadri, a 1st, and an offensive defencemen prospect like Blacker…

    Who would of gotten the better end of the deal?

  14. TheLeafNation91 says:

    Yeah, I would of done:

    Bos 1st




  15. albertateams says:

    I think its a bit of a panic move by Dallas, plumeting in the standings they could have got more for Neal from somone else.

  16. LeafsFTW17 says:

    Dallas would win that one..

  17. LeafsFTW17 says:

    but I would still do the trade.

  18. Leafs_the_word says:

    Ok, Richards is gone, not exactly a selling point when you give away a budding power forward.

    Pissed Burke didn't get there before Pittsburg, can't think of a team in the league that couldn't use a forward with skill and size and he's a bargain cap hit.  Good for the Pens I suppose.

  19. THENOTORIOUS says:

    What are the Stars thinking? I guess there is bad and good GM.

  20. reinjosh says:

    I really like this deal for the Pens. Shero has now used two expendable dman to get some really nice wing pieces. Neal is signed to a nice deal and I think he can be huge in your top 6. Plus Niskanen helps to replace Golo.

    What's the count this site is at for predicting deals in the past two seasons now? Everyone seems to be doing it.

  21. Kramer says:

    The Leafs should make another trade.

  22. hockey_lover says:

    Aww poor muffin. The Leafs didnt get EVERYTHING they wanted. boohoo.

  23. hockey_lover says:

    Yeah I like the deal. I would have been happy even straight up. But adding Niskanen is a good bonus.

  24. hockey_lover says:

    Yeah it wasnt up when I saw it.

    Sorry. Good call.

  25. hockey_lover says:

    Not really so much of a head scratcher really.

    Ownership is unstable. Want to resign Richards.

    Seems like a cap savings move, just as much as anything.

  26. Leafs_the_word says:

    Yeah, that's the experience of being a Leafs fan, getting everything you want all the time…

    Like when we won the lottery to land Crosby, to build on a foundation of two previous 1st overall picks…

    I can't expect a follower to understand fan angst, spoiled brat…

  27. hockey_lover says:

    If Crosby is anywhere near a return (and Shero knows this within the next week), given that they just got Neal, I think they should take a chance on Kovalev. I wasnt so keen on it last week but the more I thought about it, it may be not such a bad idea. Ottawa is apparantly asking for a 5th rounder. The Pens have a crap ton of cap space. Why not give it a try for that price.

    Kovalev – Crosby – Neal  could be a pretty deadly line.
    Dupuis – Letestu  – Kunitz
    Cooke – Staal – Kennedy
    – insert 3 random guys here –

    I dont believe that is a line up that is a serious contender for the cup but it could make some noise in the playoffs.

    One guy that has really impressed in the last 5 games is Brett Sterling (call up due to injuries). 5 games – 3g/2a, playing on the 2nd line. Not too bad.

  28. reinjosh says:

    We didn't have what Dallas needed though. They obviously didn't want a FA like Kaberle and decided for a young PMD instead.

  29. reinjosh says:

    It gives you more options. I really like how Shero targeted a need but did it with a young player so that he can fix that need long term. Once Malkin and Crosby are back next season, your top 9 just got a huge boost.

  30. reinjosh says:

    Does the moving of Johnson/Stewart/Shattenkirk/Goligoski/Neal mean an increase in GM's willingness to trade young potential filled players?

    That's two big trades with young emerging stars. I hope this pushes other GM's to do it and starts to break down the barriers that were stopping these trades. These trades are awesome to see.

  31. hockey_lover says:

    For sure.

    I figure it Fleury keeps up his really strong play and the defense keeps up (best PK in the league), they are in really good shape.

  32. nordiques100 says:

    2 hockey trades. not cap or cash related. that is what is good to see.

    4 teams here looking for a shakeup.

    if lombardi and mcphee don't get their asses in gear, they're going to miss out.

  33. Leafs_the_word says:

    I sure they could have worked a three way in which we cough up two firsts.

  34. DannyLeafs says:

    The Neal trade was a very good one for Pittsburgh, a very even deal right now, but could turn out to be a huge win for Pittsburgh.

    Personally, I don't think Neal is going to explode for 40 goals now just because he will get playing time with Crosby, as I don't think Crosby is that much a better playmaker then Richards, but I do think the fact that Neal will be the go to winger on Pittsburgh will make a difference, and the fact that if he finds a little more consistency, he is bound to improve anyway.

    Right now Neal for Goligoski is a fair deal, and Niskanen wasn't a factor for Dallas since he was playing poorly. By that same token, Niskanen may just need a change in scenery to get going, and if he does, Pittsburgh will really have won out.

    The biggest problem I think Dallas will have with this deal is just that Defensemen usually have a harder time adjusting to a new system and new teammates then forwards do. Neal will likely walk into Pittsburgh and play pretty much the same, but Golgioski could very well struggle with the Stars at first, and that alone could make this a win for Dallas.

    The Saving grace of this trade is that both players are young, and Dallas is adding Goligoski long term, not just for this season. Not to mention the individual pressure on Goligoski should be pretty low since Dallas was already losing and he only really needs to fill Niskanen's five on five minutes (which weren't many, and anything would be an improvment) and can allow him to focus on the powerplay where he can put up some numbers right away.

    I love this deal for the pens, they get a player that can help them this year, but also going forward. The fact they get a player who has the potential completely offset their loses in this deal is just icing.

  35. DannyLeafs says:

    The Pens are in great shape, not only now, but going forward. Shero deserves a lot of credit for being quite shrewd. Any GM in the league could build a good team around the core he inherited, but he has done a good job of trying to build a dynasty, and that is what he deserves credit for.

    I still don't believe the the Penguins model is a good template for a rebuild, since you can never assure a team will finish bottom of the league in three straight seasons, or pick #1 or 2 overall for 4 straight drafts, or draft players of the talent level that they were able. But, keeping the budget in a way that allows a team to keep those players, while surrounding them with talent that compliments them well is difficult, but Shero has managed to do it. He hasn't rushed things, and he hasn't made any rash decisions. Instead he managed to put together a team that can still have a winning record without it's two best players. Considering how bad everyone says their wingers are, they have played exceptionally well as a group without the only "good" players they are supposed to have.

  36. hockey_lover says:

    Agreed. He did inherit a few really good pieces but he has done a good job in building around that core.

    While I agree with your sentiment (about the Pens rebuild model), finishing in the bottom a few consecutive years and picking 1 or 2 overall isnt a sure thing either (see: Islanders, New York). Since '99, they have had 15 1st round picks, 5 of which have been top 5.  Granted, they got "unlucky" and havent gotten two generational talents like Geno and Sid, but 5 top 5 picks should at LEAST bring you out of the basement. But here we are .. and the Islanders are still balls.

    In the same time period, Pittsburgh has had 4 top 5 picks. Certainly, the Pens got lucky being able to get Crosby by lottery. Certainly the timing to draft Malkin was lucky. They did pass on Kessel, Backstrom and Toews to draft Staal (something Im not at all sad about).  So while Pittsburgh has done it right thus far, its certainly not a perfect science.

    I gotta say, I was one of those people that, despite being a fan, I was worried about their depth. During this run of ridiculous injury bad luck, I have been so impressed by the young guys coming up and doing an admirable job. Sure, they have lost a few games but that isnt a surprise. What is happening is they are competing and giving it their all, which is all you can ask for. I mean, 8 of these guys didnt make the team out of training camp. It definitely is a testament to their depth in all forward positions.

  37. DannyLeafs says:

    Yeah, there are too many teams that just look at the model, and not the workings when it comes to the penguins rebuild, and I just think its bad for the game since most of the teams aren't doing it right.

    The secret is, you don't rebuild a team through any sort of model, instead it is done through scouting and creative moves. I don't just mean ameateur scouting either. League scouts play there part. Sure they got Kane and Toews with high picks, but the players that put them over the top were either picked in the second round or later (Keith, Byfuglien, Bolland etc) or traded for where the Hawks gave up next to nothing (Sharp, Versteeg).

    Also, GM's need to learn to stick to their strength. GM's who haven't had luck in the draft (Mike Barnett, Larry Pleau, Doug Maclean), need to stop putting an emphasis on draft picks, and GM's that have been burned in too many trades (Fergusson, O.Connel) , shouldn't make so many of them.

    The problem is when GM's starting buckling to the pressure of a market and doing things that is outside their comfort zone, it really puts them at a disadvantage. In Toronto, Fergusson would have been a good GM for a longer draft oriented rebuild, but since he was more a puppet, he tried to fix the team through signings and trades. His draft picks have turned out to be some good hockey players (Kulemin, Gunnarsson, Reimer, Rask, Steen) which is a pretty impressive list considering in that span he only got to pick in the first two rounds 4 times, including getting to make only one selection in the entire 2003 entry draft. Had he been able to play to his strength, keep and ac*****ulate draft picks, chances are the Leafs would already be trending upwards.

    I am glad that you didn't take my comment about the Penguins being "lucky" to be a shot at Shero's ability. That was more a comment toward people who keep up with the "you have to tank to build a team" mantra. I think Shero did get lucky to inherit the group he did, but he also has done a good job to turn them into perennial contenders rather then one shot wonders like Chicago. Would have been too easy to load up and do it once, but instead Pittsburgh is set up for the long haul with one cup and 2 eastern conference championships already under their belt.

  38. hockey_lover says:

    Nah, not offended at all. They WERE lucky. I can fully admit it. Alls you are doing is calling a spade a spade. Holding it against them is another thing.

    I agree that if they keep playing their cards right, this team can remain competitive for years.

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