First the is reporting that a Toronto lawyer is making another attempt to bring a National Hockey League team to Hamilton, city officials said.

Richard Rodier, who represents HHC Acquisition Corp., will appear before a committee of Hamilton’s city council Wednesday, with a proposal to take over the management of Copps Coliseum.

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  1. SkilledCenter9 says:

    This is very good news if its true

    I can only imagine what it would be like if Hamilton had their own NHL team.

    It would be awesome and i hope things work out

  2. Cyrax89 says:

    It would be nice to see happen, but I’m not going to get my hopes up. I just don’t see the NHL giving Canada another hockey team after they took two of them away, and also Toronto, Buffalo and Detroit are all right in the area, so there would be four teams within a couple hours drive apart.

    But like I said, it would be nice to see.

  3. Spektor says:

    I do not know if any of you have been to Hamilton, but suitable names for the team would have to be the Hamilton White Trash or the Hamilton Skids. Just picture you city dump with alot of houses on it.

  4. Furlong19 says:

    This will never happen. I guarantee that 100%. For these 5 reasons:

    1) NHL doesn’t want to come back to Canada (if they did Winnipeg or Quebec city would come first)

    2) Hamilton does not have a high enough population

    3) Hamilton is dirt poor and a shady town. High unemployment and what not. How will these people afford high NHL ticket prices.

    4) Copps Coliseum is not big enough for NHL and too old.

    5) Hamilton is full of leaf fans and fan support would be limited. Hamilton is a football town. Leave it at that.

  5. TheThrill says:

    I like the “Hamilton Hair”…they would have furry jerseys…like cavemen

  6. Captain_Crunch17 says:

    Hasn’t Hamilton been trying to get an NHL franchise for while?

    I see only one reason why this will not’s because Hamilton is too close between 2 NHL teams that being Toronto and Buffalo.

    Adding another team to that area would not make sense. Hamilton is not big enough and plus they already go the Bulldogs.

  7. mojo19 says:

    hahahaha, oh hamilton, so dirty.

  8. mojo19 says:

    Well Copps is a good arena which holds lots of people, I’m not sure if they have Boxes though, but they can always add them. For #2 and #3 of your arguments, I think Hamilton would get a lot of people coming from Burlington and Oakville which are rich cities, and are within like 30 minutes or less of Copps Colesium. And for #5 I think hockey is by far the most popular sport in southern Ontario, and Leafs tickets are hard to get and very pricey, Hamilton would sell out for sure with people who are Leafs fans who just want to watch NHL hockey.

  9. mojo19 says:

    I don’t think Toronto would mind, but Buffalo sells so many tickets to Canada, if Hamilton had a team it would hurt the Sabres ticket sales

  10. Primis says:

    Hamilton will not get an NHL franchise.

    If cities like Calgary and Edmonton can barely keep up and hang on to their teams, Hamilton most certainly can’t come even close to supporting one.

    If you really want to put an NHL franchise in a Canadian city there are only a couple options: bring NHL hockey back to Winnipeg, bringing NHL hockey back to Quebec City (which i’m 100% against), and finally bringing NHL hockey to somewhere in the Maritimes — Halifax being probably the most-obvious choice there. However, Halifax would require lots of fan support from other neabry provinces to make it work.

    — Primis.

  11. Cyrax89 says:

    How about the Hamilton Smoke Stacks.

  12. TC_4 says:

    1) I didn’t know you were Gary Betteman

    2) It’s the same size as Winnipeg, plus the population size around it is in the millions

    3) You don’t know that. Philly and Pittsburgh a pretty dirt poor towns as well, yet SOMEHOW there people manage

    4)Copps was built in the mid 80’s, so it’s more new then Joe Lewis, Rexall Place, and the same age as the Saddledome. They can’t renovate???

    5) Western Canada was full of Leaf fans at one time too. If you got a new team to support, MOST of the fans will support the hometown team.

    Those aren’t good reasons buddy!

  13. TC_4 says:

    How come half my title got cut??? For those doubting this, I’m not saying it will happen or anything, but Hamilton could more the support another NHL team. For those of you that have never been down there before, Hamilton is only half an hour drive from Missisagua, which has a population of 500 000 people. Combine that with Hamilton’s, and that’s over 1 mil. people. It’s not too close to Buffalo(3 hours), and the “Toronto area” could very easily support another NHL team.

  14. flyersfan10897 says:

    actually, neither philadelphia nor pittsburgh are “dirt poor.”

  15. lanz11 says:

    That area has more than enough population to support a team, as does winipeg and for those of you that think the NHL wont give a team to Canada cause we lost two, are you forgetting the Atlanta Flames, now known as Calgary Flames, how bout the Colorado Rockies, which folded, now they got the Avalanche… if they got a second chance, why would Canadian cities not get one?

  16. cgolding says:

    The NHL needs to contract, not add a team.

  17. Spektor says:

    Dude, the Sabres Arena is 45 minutes away from Hamilton’s Copps coliseum. My parents live in between Hamilton and the U.S border. There is no way unless the Sabre go tits up!

  18. chanman says:

    No way is a team moving or starting up in hamilton.

    Both toronto and buffalo would never allow it, and thier are many better places to put a franchies(i.e. Winnipeg.)

    I am all for some southern teams relocating in canada, like FL, or Carolina, who might have better success up there.

    But hamilton is to close to buffalo.

  19. eagle29 says:

    I’m all for an NHL team in Hamilton, i just doubt it would happen.If you combine Hamilton with nearby comunities there is enough people but Ontario does not need another team.Winnepeg and Quebec city are more suited to a franchise.

  20. defenestrate says:

    The NHL already has a poster city for urban decay – it’s called Detroit.

  21. MAniac29 says:

    I’ll second that TC

  22. TC_4 says:

    Well, considering Buffalo is an hour South of Niagra, and Hamilton is at least an hour North of Niagra, that’s a little more then 45 minutes buddy!

  23. TC_4 says:

    It would be a team moved there, and yes, they need to contract at least 4 teams.

  24. TC_4 says:

    I didn’t say that, or mean it. I mean that people that don’t go to the cities think of them that way. I’ve never been to either so I don’t know, but I know that’s how some people precieve them.

  25. kingbobert says:

    every person i know from hamilton is a leafs fan…alot of them die-heart leafs fans…i dont think they support for a team in hamilton would be too high and i mean even if it was and those leaf fans turn into hamilton fans what does that tell you about them…

    I think toronto and ottawa are fine in ontario..battle of ontario just needs two teams…

    you got the battled of alberta calgary and edmonton… you’re good there…

    But u need cities that had teams before or have strong minor league teams…(hamilton’s strong but it wouldnt work)

    Bring hockey back to quebec city, some of the best games played we’re habs nordiques…classic matches…most quebec fans hate the habs so they’re not hab fans so bringing back a team would mean it would have support again…

    Winnipeg would be nice too…but why not another team in BC…give vancouver a provincial rivalry…

    and as far as teams in small cities not going to work…the nhl is full of them…the city might be big but the amount of ppl that know hockey is a small fraction of the population…

    look at florida, tampa, carolina, atlanta, los angeles, anaheim,…all except carolina barely see any snow every year the population is more concerned with tanning rather than picking up a hockey stick and hitting a ball or puck but they have they’re teams…

    so give a team to quebec, winnipeg, halifax, heck give one to sasktchewan and Nanavut….

    just bring back hockey to canada…it’ll do fine…if it doesnt well sell it arkansas

  26. mojo19 says:

    Its not, Hamilton and Buffalo are 45 minutes apart. Once you’re over the peace bridge you are basically at the HSBC arena. I go to lot’s of Sabres games.

  27. x says:

    How many pros return there to retire after thier playing days are over?

    I used to watch HNIC on CTV Ch.9 from Buffalo many years ago on Wednsday evenings. It was great!

  28. x says:

    I am all for some southern teams relocating in canada also;

    as long as it’s not Tampa.

  29. Tradedude says:

    I live in Hamilton, Toronto is like a half an hour away. Not going to work out. Copps only has 13000 capicity anyway.

  30. rojoke says:

    Just exactly how does managing Copps Coliseum equal an NHL franchise in Hamilton? Sounds like a pretty big leap to me.

    First, OTA would veto it before it ever got past the notice of interest. I don’t think Buffalo would have a problem.

    Second, don’t the Bulldogs have proprietary rights to Copps Coliseum? If so, then the new team would have to pay the Bulldogs to leave.

    Third, it would be a nightmare in terms of divisional realignment. Ideally, you would put Hamilton in the Northeast division, but who do you move out, to take advantage of the Ontario teams, and Montreal, to a lesser extent. And with Buffalo just across the border, you may want to keep them in the same division as well. So that would leave Boston, one of the Original Six franchises. And that would be very difficult to pull off.

  31. dgodlike says:

    nice thoughts but no way its happening…like someone else said, if indeed one team like the pens gets moved, it’ll either be in a US city like Seattle, portland or cleveland, or Winnipeg. Hamilton isnt big enough and obvisouly doesnt have the population to finance a 40m$ NHL payroll. I think Hamilton’s a great AHL or maybe potentially WHA city, thats all. Its proven now that , to survive, your need to be in a big city…cities like Anaheim arent that healthy.

  32. bruinexpert says:

    Buffalo was in fact the reason why the idea has been canned in the past…i’m sure toronto doesn’t care too much about the situation but Buffalo would struggle big time….but what if Buffalo moved to Hamilton? that team would be incredibly successful!

  33. bruinexpert says:

    I guess you don’t see the difference between anaheim and hamilton…the idea of putting the team in hamilton is that it’s close to so’ve got the GTA, burlington, hamilton, guelph, kitchener-waterloo etc etc which are all 300,000+ cities at least that are within a 1 hour drive to hamilton….the city of hamilton isn’t appealing because of the population, it’s just that it’s in a great radius to so many mid sized cities and they already have the copps colesium to start off in until they can build a new arena

  34. bruinexpert says:

    i think the idea would be to go to copps to start and then build something after they’re established

  35. bruinexpert says:

    how about the Nanimo Bars

  36. bruinexpert says:

    sorry Nanaimo

  37. bruinexpert says:

    i have too..i’m from Waterloo and in going to Buffalo games i sometimes do the 401 to the QEW and once i’m on the QEW it’s probably about 45 minutes (unless your grandma is driving you) to the Peace Bridge and like you said…as long as there’s no customs issues HSBC or Marine Midland or whatever is right there….3 hours is a bit much..i take 2 hours from waterloo…in bad weather

  38. bruinexpert says:

    hamilton isn’t a city based around a Mall…there’s a huge population surrounding the city not just in it unlike the alberta teams…supporting the team wouldn’t be the problem at all..its a matter of getting approval from the buffalo and toronto…that’s all that has stopped them in the past as a matter of fact.

  39. wayne2 says:

    Here`s my NHL:

    Eastern conference:

    north east division:


    east atlantic division:

    New Jersey-NY rangers-NY islanders-Philadelphia-


    western conference:

    west pacific division:

    Vancouver-Edmonton-Calgary-Winnipeg-Los Angeles-San Jose

    central division:


    In other words in with Quebec and Winnipeg and out

    with Phoenix-Nashville-Tampa-Florida-Anaheim-

    Atlanta-Carolina so this way only hockey loving

    cities would be in the NHL.

  40. Diego says:

    Ok, I might be blinded by the fact that I’m from Montreal (in the province of Quebec for those who didn’t know) but I think that if there’s a canadian city that diserves a hockey team (and there is more than one) I think Quebec would have to come first. Why?

    2 years ago, there was an exhibition game played in Quebec between the Habs and the Avs. The “Colisé” was completely sold out after a day. Really, I might be a habs fan since I know hockey exists, but Quebec surely can handle a hockey team, because over there (2h30 from Montreal) nobody forgot the great loss of their Nordique. A new team would certainly attract more people than the 5000 bored fans in Pittsburg. Hockey fans in Quebec never let their hockey team down during tough times (and god knows there were a lot of them.)

    Bring back hockey in Quebec, bring back the biggest rivalery of all time! And make 10 Mtl-Qc match-up per year so we can hate each other again.

    If somebody can tell me why Atlanta, Miami, Carolina and Phoenix diserve hockey more than Quebec, I’m waiting for your explanation (other than: “Gary Betmann is an idiot”.)

  41. TC_4 says:

    “so this way only hockey loving cities would be in the NHL.” Why are Washington and New Jersey on your list then???

  42. defenestrate says:

    I can explain this one – American economy.

  43. rojoke says:

    Okay, wayne. Got $600 million to buy back those franchises you got rid of?

  44. chanman says:

    I think you mean Chicago

  45. IrishRinkrat says:

    For people who need a perfect league:

    Eastern Conference:

    Atlantic: New York, Long Island, Hartford, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, (either Columbus, Washington or Atlanta)

    Northeast: Quebec City, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Buffalo, Boston

    Western Conference:

    Pacific: Los Angeles, Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonton, Winnipeg, (either Bay Area or Phoenix)

    Central: Detroit, St. Louis, Chicago, Denver, Dallas, Minnesota

    24 other conference games, 24 other division games, 30 division games… 78 sounds like a nice number.

    There’s your perfect league. Hamilton is a sufficient city to support fans, but they have three teams relatively close, and Toronto is on the doorstep. If the New York-New Jersey area can’t fully support three teams, I seriously doubt Hamilton could succeed. Besides, cities that had NHL teams leave should definitely come first.

  46. Diego says:

    The nice american economy doesn’t go quite well lately. That’s why some of the teams I mentionned are on the verge of bankcrupcy

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