Florida Panthers willing to trade second overall pick, but don’t expect Edmonton Oilers to land it

Panthers general manager Dale Tallon made it clear he was willing to talk about trading the second overall pick in an interview at the NHL draft combine on Friday. Despite his comments, it’s extremely unlikely that a team as far down as the Edmonton Oilers (seventh overall) will be able to make a pitch that sways Florida into a deal.

Here’s what Tallon said:

You see what they’re willing to pay, and that’s the fun part of the job. I’ve had a couple of mild conversations here and there this week, ‘Are you going to move the pick?’ Make me an offer. That’s the way it goes. You start the process early, and you work it all the way through till the five minutes before you make the pick, maybe a minute before the pick.

The reason it’s likely to be so difficult to make a trade for the second overall pick is because the consensus seems to be that there isn’t the same kind of drop-off between first and second this year that there is in most seasons. Defenceman Seth Jones, the consensus number one, is a fantastic player, but competitors Nathan MacKinnon and Jonathan Drouin are described as legitimate possibilities for that selection. Here’s how Red Line Report’s Kyle Woodlief put it earlier this week:

We have Seth Jones number one at Red Line Report, with Jonathan Drouin two and Nathan MacKinnon three. You can argue any order for those three, really.

http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2013/06/02/the-florida-panthers-are-willing-to-trade-the-second-overall-pick-edmonton-oilers/

 


24 Responses to Florida Panthers willing to trade second overall pick, but don’t expect Edmonton Oilers to land it

  1. leafy says:

    Shame on the Penguins and Rangers. Supposedly Stanley Cup contenders. At least the Leafs gave the Bruins a game and pushed them to the brink of elimination.

    And fans nowadays comparing Penguins duos of Crosby-Malkin to Lemieux/Jagr? Hahaha!!! Not even close.

    • mapleleafsfan says:

      Agreed – the Rangers were awful and the Penguins have been tough to watch. The Bruins we’re seeing now though are better than the Bruins we played. They’re firing on all cylinders. Pittsburg is in tough.

      • leafy says:

        Yeah, and the other point nobody talks about is Mr. James Reimer. He stole 2 games in that series. Easily we were toast in 5 games without Reimer.

        • mojo19 says:

          Reimer was unreal, and Carlyle had the Leafs playing a tough brand of hockey that seemed to stifle the Bruins. Pittsburgh and New York did not bring that same edge.

          Although, I still don’t think Pittsburgh is toast yet. They could turn it around.

  2. razer1818 says:

    To FLA – Toronto 1st
    Tyler Bozak
    Carl Gunnerson
    Carter Aston

    To Tor – Florida 2nd Overall Pick
    Stephen Wiess

    • realistic_leafs_fan says:

      I don’t think that would do it razer.
      We are offering a minor leaguer, an RFA and a UFA plus a substantial drop in first round order for a blue chip prospect. That is nowhere near enough.IMO

      • mapleleafsfan says:

        Yep. Not even close. I’d imagine we’d have to be offering 1st + Reilly + a prospect like Biggs/Finn/Percy To even get them to consider it. Even then. When was the last time the second overall pick traded down significantly. Just won’t happen.

        • Steven_Leafs0 says:

          if the guy we would get is Seth Jones then no. If it is Mackinnon then it is much more plausible.

          Trading a blue chip d-man, a 1st, and a former 1st for a blue chip d-man is a bad move IMO.

    • lafleur10 says:

      keep dreaming

      • mojo19 says:

        lafleur is right. Keep dreaming.

        Bozak’s rights could be moved for a 3rd rounder. Gunnarsson would garner a late 1st round pick, and Carter Ashton might be worth a 4th or 5th.

        Late 1st (27th overall?) + 3rd, + 4th would not equate to the 2nd overall pick and rights to Weiss.

        • Steven_Leafs0 says:

          Ashton has more value than a 4th, but no way that package equals the 2nd overall pick.

          No one is ever going to give up a top pick for a package of 2nd/3rd liners or less.

          Even if you offered:

          Bozak
          MacArthur
          Gunnarsson
          Ashton
          Holzer
          Scrivins
          21st overall pick

          for:

          2nd overall pick

          I do not see a reason for Florida to do it. If we want a quality player like MacKinnon we have to offer quality and depth back.

          Fun to dream though.

  3. I agree. I don’t see anyway you’re getting the second overall pick, plus rights to Weiss, without giving up way more than your willing to part with.

  4. mapleleafsfan says:

    Just read that you apparently cannot use compliance buy outs on players that were not on your roster at implementation of the new CBA. So trading for bad contracts to acquire assets doesn’t work anyways (unless they were just buried in the minors).

  5. DannyLeafs says:

    I would love to see the Leafs move up, but it just won’t happen without giving up something massive, and I don’t think what we have to give up aligns with the Panthers biggest needs. I mean really they are a team that need to add a blue chipper looking to trade the 2nd pick? They simply want to see teams scramble to see if anyone will put together a massive overpayment to get a player in a needed position. They have some prospects, but they certainly aren’t deep enough in any given position that any of Drouin, Mackinnon or Jones would be redundant. I really wouldn’t want to get caught discussing a package starting with Kadri, Rielly and our 1st with extra bits getting tossed in.

    I think the Leafs need to continue down the current path. Add depth, add talent, stock the pipeline, and look to improve on team defeincies that hurt us without overpaying.

    Also, given this is a deep draft, I think utilizing the 20-21st pick makes more sense then overpaying to move up a bit. I think the Leafs could draft a good centre at that position that could really fit well in the long run. Lazar, Horvat, Domi, Wennberg, or Gauthier could all be a good fit, and it’s likely at least one of them will still be around at that spot. If there is one they covet more, they could look at moving up on the draft floor if they fall far enough, but I don’t think standing pat will be bad.

    The biggest things the Leafs need long term are a top 6 center to play with Kessel. I think Kadri and Lupul provide enough skill and offense that Kessel wouldn’t need a star 85 point guy to make that a very dangerous top 6. A guy that could be a good two-way player with 60+ point skill that could cycle the puck and win draws would be great.

    A winger with a good mix of grit, skill and ideally two way game and size to play with Lupul and Kadri. Again, enough talent already in place that you don’t need a guy to dictate the offense. Just a guy who won’t impede it while contributing in other areas as well. It would be nice if it was someone that could take draws in a pinch as well, although that is asking a bit much.

    A third line player with the ability to fill in up the line up as well. Depending on how our third line fleshes out in the long run, it may need to be a centre or a guy with size. If Bozak is signed, I believe he ultimately becomes part of a hybrid third line if the leaves become a real contender. That would be ok, IF that winger has some size and could work the cycle to make up for Bozak’s softer side. I like Bozak’s offense for a third line, and I like his ability to kill penalties, win draws, and play defensively when that is what he focuses on. I find he gets out of position when he tries to keep up with Kessel, but I think in that role it could work. If the Leafs ultimately part with Bozak, I think they need to consider bringing in dedicated third line center who can win draws. We need more than Steckel taking important draws.

    Finally they need a bonafide top 4 defensemen with experience and shutdown ability. It doesn’t have to be a swing for the fences and get somebody long term, could be a vet who could provide stability while others develop. The system is full of guys with top 4 potential, so it doesn’t need to be the long term fix.

    Doing this in one summer is a tall order, but it doesn’t mean the team can’t build on what they have accomplished.

    First is the draft. In the first round I think Horvat or Lazar would be ideal if they are available. Domi would be nice, but won’t likely fall that far unless several GM’s are really too afraid of the fact he is diabetic.

    I would like to see Bozak re-signed, but for a reasonable term or amount. If he wants long term at 4+, it’s time to move on.

    Franson, Kadri, Frazer, Kulemin and Komarov should definitely be re-signed, but I think MacArthur should be let go since he is likely going to be looking for more term or money than the leafs should be willing to commit given that he is somewhat redundant.

    If Bozak is gone, I think the guys should look at trade options for guys that shouldn’t cost too much. Stastny or Berglund could be potentially on their way out of their respective teams, and each has the talent to fill in that role with the potential of being a good fit. They fit in the Leafs age group, and should require a massive payment or committment. Both guys could be useful in different roles if things don’t work out. Berglund has size and could turn into that winger for the second line, and Statsny wouldn’t cost a lot to re-sign if he had a disappointing season in that top line role, but he does have enough defensive upside to play a third line role if his career winds down that way. I think signing guys like Weiss, Roy or Riebero would be too expensive with regards to both term and cap hit. A guy like Jussi Jokinen might be worth a 1-2 year deal though. Good hands, good in shootouts, good on faceoffs, good defensively. A little soft, but all in all, wouldn’t be a terrible back up plan at C if something better can’t be achieved. Also if a guy like Umberger becomes a compliance buyout casualty, he may be an affordable option that can be utilized in other ways if he isn’t a fit on the top line in the short term.

    Other guys I would look at via trade if they are available would be guys like Shawn Matthias, Alex Burmistrov, Tuoomo Ruutu. Again, not necessarily availabe, or at least not necessarily at prices the Leafs should be willing to pay, but all are guys with two-way ability with possible multiple uses. Burmistrov is another buy low with potential, while Ruutu and Matthias are good third line guys who have enough skill to move up the line up in the event of injury or simply when things need to be shaken up. All three are capable of playing wing or center, something the leafs really could have used against boston. I think the leafs played a great possession game for a team that almost never started with possession.

    Finally I like the idea of going after guys like Scuderi, Hainsey or Murray for a relatively low cost signing to short term contract. Or if we go the trade route, look at some guys who are over utilized or underutilized so their value is a little harder to peg. Guys overused like Johnson, Salo, Brewer or guys that got buried a little on their team that could do with a change of scenary like Jeff Shultz or Hjarmlasson.

    Finally kick tires on wingers like Clowe, Clarkson, Morrow and Dupuis. We don’t want to overpay, but these are good character guys that can play a 2/3rd line role now and for a few years. I think with a developing team it makes them more valuable than pure top 6 guys who end up in the pressbox when they aren’t scoring.

    That’s a lot of things to do, but if we take an approach of not selling the farm to add to our team, every little improvement helps, especially if our young players continue to grow and improve. The Leafs should have some very good internal competition. Guys like Percy, Finn and Rielly will be knocking on the door for pro jobs in the not too distant future, and guys like Leivo, Colbourne, Frattin, Ashton, and Biggs could all see some games ( obviously to varying degrees) next season as well. So a good draft choice, adding a top four defensemen, and dealing with who is going to center kessel would be an adequate summer if there were no major subtractions.

    • mapleleafsfan says:

      Good post.

      I think Berglund would cost a fair amount more than you would think. He’s still young, big, solid defensively, and has put up OK numbers for such a defensive team (not really this year). I’d love to have Berglund, but we don’t really fit the Blues trading wise and I think the price would be higher than we would like.

      Burmistrov is intriguing. He looked like he had 1st line C potential early on but really fell off. A change of scenery could be huge. That said I bet the market for him is pretty big and the asking price gets driven up a decent amount.

      I’d love to land a center in the draft, but with anyone outside the top ~10 pretty much a crapshoot where they land it’s hard to say how far you may have to trade up to grab one.

  6. DannyLeafs says:

    ** I meant McClement taking all our important draws, and obviously meant that Berglund and Stastny should NOT require too massive of a committment given them both being a little disappointing over the past couple of seaons.

  7. 93killer93 says:

    I’d prefer to trade for a pick from 4-6 and go after Sasha Barkov. It would cost a lot less and he fits our need. He’s a 6’2” centre, about 210lbs.

    “He’s big, he’s mobile, he’s a very good skater, he’s got puck handling ability and he’s a good defensive player.”

    He scored almost a point per game playing in the first division in Finland.

    I also think we should trade for DiPietro and pick up some assets. We’re one of the few teams who can handle that buyout. Grab the Islanders’ 1st and another pick, maybe a prospect.

    Although it’s very unlikely, my ideal draft would be to walk out with Barkov, Domi and Rychel. They all have a nice mix of skill and grit.

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