Flyers likely to move a defenseman

The Flyers still will need to trim salary. Currently, the Flyers are approximately $320,000 over the salary cap – and they still need to add a starting goaltender. How will they do that? At least one defenseman needs to go.
The Flyers have approximately $28 million committed to eight defensemen, and that does not include Chris Pronger’s $4.91 million deal, which will come off the cap after the season starts. Chicago had only one defenseman last season (Duncan Keith) who earned more than $3.5 million. The Flyers’ Kimmo Timonen ($6 million), Mark Streit ($5.25 million), Braydon Coburn ($4.5 million), Andrej Meszaros ($4 million), Luke Schenn ($3.6 million) and Nick Grossmann ($3.5 million) are all over that mark. It’s easy to understand now why Holmgren dangled Coburn to Edmonton and Calgary last week. He’s the one defenseman on that list you wouldn’t want to let go, but it could be tougher to find a suitor for any of those other five at those prices.
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66 Responses to Flyers likely to move a defenseman

  1. realistic_leafs_fan says:

    I guess Seabrook didn’t play last year.LOL

  2. mapleleafsfan says:

    Trademan, can we stop having 10 articles a day on the front page. The recent comments bar is nice, but we lose articles so quickly now. Maybe I’m wrong but I think a general consensus would be one article a day or maybe every couple of days. Having a post for every NHL related tweet makes it really hard to keep a discussion going.

  3. realistic_leafs_fan says:

    Once a day would be good.

    I think MacA will end up in Boston. Just a feeling.

    Some have thought RNH may be available and Edmonton has said they are looking to shake things up and add veterans to the core while hoping to shed some contracts.

    Would anyone do

    To Edmonton
    Phaneuf, Kadri, Blacker/Percy
    To Toronto
    RNH, J Schultz, Hemsky

    • nordiques100 says:

      Pretty sure the Oilers will say No to that.

      I find it rather odd to see Dion have so much value in trade but appears in critiques to have and add zero value to the leafs.

      • realistic_leafs_fan says:

        I don’t think the Oil would either, but many on here keep telling me Dion has a ton of value and the other 29 GM’s would take him in a second, plus rate him a fair bit higher than Schultz…the trade is based on the value many put on Dion. Personally, I think we would have to go
        Dion, Kadri, Kulimen, Pick/Prospect to possibly make that work.

  4. LN91 says:

    Good depth guy for Nonis to go after is Matt Halischuk.

  5. nordiques100 says:

    Great hire by Leafs to bring in Steve Spott to coach the Marlies.

    He ran an excellent program in Kitchener following in the footsteps of Peter DeBoer.

    • doorman says:

      I agree i think it is very good move bringing a guy who is used to and has done a good job of developing young players. this will be a good hire, but soon again we will see a coach move on if successful.

  6. leafy says:

    I heard the Leafs are gonna sign Weiss and Clarkson, and wanna trade Grabovski and Liles.

  7. Would you guys be willing to dump Grabo and receive a low draft pick in return just to dump his salary? Or do you guys feel he’s worth keeping if you can’t get a decent return for him? Just asking because I’ve been hearing the word “buy out” thrown around.

    So, would you rather keep him if you can’t get value for him because of the contract, or would you just prefer to get him off the roster by accepting a crappy a deal. I’d imagine some teams would take on his contract, especially if the leafs covered a portion of the first year – teams only seem to be caring about the cap initially coming down.

    • realistic_leafs_fan says:

      Although I like Grabo, his contract is a killer to us right now. I would take a late pick at this point and hope Nonis uses the new cap space wisely. But as Nords pointed out, he has a NTC, so who knows.

    • mojo19 says:

      I’d dump him. Not because he’s bad or anything, but his contract is too much.

    • Gambo says:

      I would keep him if he’s going to be our 2nd line center, that’s the only way. And for this year only. I don’t want that contract come next summer, unless he has a killer year.

      • mojo19 says:

        Luckily we’ll still have another buyout for next summer. So we could always buy him out if he has a miserable year.

        But overall, I’d rather just move on. He’s a good player, but he’s a lot like Berezin. He zips around, looks really good at times, disappears other times, but mostly he’s an individual playing a team sport.

        That’s not to say he doesn’t pass, because he definitely moves the puck more than Berezin, he just doesn’t move it at the appropriate times always, in my opinion.

        • leafy says:

          Hey, Berezin was awesome Mojo. He had one big difference from Grabo. Berezin had a very nice shot. So when he flew down the length of the ice at top speed, he was always a threat to score. Also, Berezin was stronger on his feet. Grabo can’t shoot well, so despite his speed, he must rely on others to make plays, and easier to push off the puck.

          It really didn’t bother me at all that Berezin didn’t pass. I just loved how he skated the puck into offense. Berezin circa 1998 to 2001 was really good.

          • mojo19 says:

            I’m not saying either Berezin or Grabo are necessarily poor players, but the comparison lies in how individual they play(ed).

            I was happy to get Renberg from the Coyotes for Berezin, and I’d be happy to replace Grabo with a Renberg type – meaning a big, strong player.

            • leafy says:

              Yeah the Leafs traded Berezin at just the right time as his skills were evaporating and managed to land Renberg.

              • mojo19 says:

                Thankfully Renberg had some kind of contract dispute at the time. I can’t remember the details, Nords probably does, but I believe he was threatening to go back to Sweden and forced the Yotes to trade him.

    • Steven_Leafs0 says:

      depends on who we replace him with. If the replacement is Bozak at 5.5M then hell no. If we can get a young talented 1st line center or some other top player then yes, move him for a 3rd and be happy.

    • reinjosh says:

      I’m probably one of the few on here, if not the only one, that would have no issue keeping him. I still think he’s a perfect 2C for us. Some blog (i think it was DobberHockey) made the point that it’s comparable to the Boston center build. Krejci/Kadri, Bergeron/Grabovski, Peverly/Bolland, Kelly/McClement. Now clearly the actually players aren’t comparable but it’s an interesting idea.

      Worst case scenario, Grabo bombs and we buy him out next year. Best case he proves he belongs and everyone is in love with him. More likely scenario, he improves and the Leafs trade him for a decent price. This was his worst statistical season of his career, it’s highly unlikely he has another season like that.

      I still think he’s got potential.

  8. mojo19 says:

    I’d love to see us move Grabo and find a taker for Liles, bringing back only draft picks. This would free up enough space to complete the make over.

    I’d like to see us sign –

    Weiss – 6 years, $33mil (5.5)
    Clarkson – 6 years, $27 mil (4.5)
    Ferrence – 3 years, $9 mil (3.0)
    Gill – 1 year, $1.25 mil (1.25)
    Mueller – 2 years, $3 mil (1.5)

    It would be nice to get Weiss and Clarkson on a slightly shorter term, but you have to figure lots of teams will be calling so I’d rather just do it and let the future sort itself out, Philly style.

    RFA’s fwd – Kadri ($2.5), Colborne ($0.8), UFA – McLaren ($0.7)
    RFA’s D – Franson ($3.65), Gunnarsson ($2.85), Fraser ($0.9)
    RFA G – Bernier $2.2

    FWD’s – $38.5
    DEF – $19.5
    Goal – $4
    TOTAL – $62

    So we’re right around the cap with this team, not counting Tucker’s and Colby’s buyouts, and the $500K sent to LA in the Bernier swap. Of course, we could always waive Fraser or Gill at camp to make the cap if its tight, or someone always gets hurt. This team would be okay. I always included Holzer, who I believe is on a two-way deal and could free up close to $800k if need be.

    Here’s a rough line up –

    James VanRiemsdyk – Stephen Weiss – Phil Kessel
    Joffrey Lupul – Nazem Kadri – David Clarkson
    Jay McClement – Dave Bolland – Nikolai Kulemin
    Fraser McLaren – Peter Mueller – Colton Orr + Joe Colborne

    Dion Phaneuf – Cody Franson
    Jake Gardiner – Andrew Ferrence
    Hal Gill – Carl Gunnarsson
    + Mark Fraser – Korbinian Holzer

    Jonathan Bernier
    James Reimer

    • LN91 says:

      Weiss is apparently looking for a 5-year, 25 million dollar deal…I would do that deal any day of the week over Grabo and Bozak!!!

      Weiss is also pretty good on the faceoff, is a gritty guy (though smaller) and more skilled then Stajan…I mean Bozak.

      Also…Your Phaneuf/Franson pairing won’t work (nearly good lineup though) as everyone would skate by those 2.

      • realistic_leafs_fan says:

        I think your contract numbers are reasonable Mojo…give and take a bit of course.

        I would rather have Weiss than Grabo or Bozak at the same cap hit, although I don’t really want Weiss, Roy or Ribiero.

        I like the forwards on the overall, good balance of speed, size, toughness and playmaking.

        The thought of Phaneuf, Franson, Gill and Fraser/Holzer with their lack of foot-speed as 4 of our 7 D scares the hell out of me.LOL I could even add Gunnar in that group really. PK should be good, PP should as well, but 5on5…not sure we don’t get ate up in our own end.

        • realistic_leafs_fan says:

          Would anyone be interested in Montador on the cheap?
          He’s a right handed shot, decent size, plays physical, a decent skater and would add a veteran presence.
          He could probably be had for $1-$1.2 per to help fill 5-6 spot.

    • reinjosh says:

      Am I really the only person on here that thinks Clarkson is destined to be the next Komisarek? In terms of a big physical player that gets wildly overpaid and becomes a buyout candidate?

      I like Clarkson, but not at the 4.5 million plus he’s going to command and the idea that he’s a top 6 player.

      I’d prefer to just let someone from the system replace Frattin and keep Kulemin in the 2nd line. A guy like D’Amigo almost seems ready.

      • mapleleafsfan says:

        No kidding. Where does the hype around Clarkson come from? He scored 30 goals once, and aside from that is very average. Gets no assits. Can’t skate. All he can do is bring toughness and cycle the puck. I’m uninterested in Clarkson for anything over 3.5-4 (which he will obviously get).

        He was a leaf killer though.

        • reinjosh says:

          I’m quite concerned about his skating ability to be honest. Our calling card this past season was skating. Clarkson could seriously hamper that ability. I’m an absolute huge proponent of building our team around speed and skating. If you can add a big guy that can skate, so a guy like JVR or Gauthier (he’s a ways a way but he can skate well for a big guy), then do it. But I fear a slow skater will really affect the team’s effectiveness.

      • nordiques100 says:

        not the only one. id prefer Stalberg or a Mason Raymond. add different element. they can find the next MacLaren cheaply

        • realistic_leafs_fan says:

          It all depends on cost and term. Clarkson will help create some room for other players as he plays with an edge and goes to the net and dirty areas, but the cost has to be right. As I have said before, Cup winners barely have any bad contracts.

          • reinjosh says:

            Disagree with that. Hossa’s contract is bad, Hjalmarsson’s is bad. Lucic is overpaid. Drew Doughty is overpaid.

            Three Cup Winners, three teams with bad contracts

            • realistic_leafs_fan says:

              I said barely…not zero.
              How is Hossa at $5.2 bad for a 70pt winger?
              Hjalmarsson at $3.5 is bad? How?
              Lucic I would agree is not a good contract.
              Doughty is a top tier NHL defenceman that usually ups his game at playoff time. He may be slightly overpaid, but far from a bad contract.

  9. mapleleafsfan says:

    Surprised the Sabres are buying out Gerbe. What a waste of a buyout on a 1.85 mil salary. He’s puny, but plays bigger than he is and isn’t a bad player.

  10. LN91 says:

    So, apparently if Bozak goes…Kessel will go. This is heinous.

    If Kessel wants to go with Bozak, fine. Let’s deal him if he does not sign by next Trade Deadline

    • realistic_leafs_fan says:

      If that is what Phil is saying, although I find it a bit hard to believe, then that doesn’t say much about Phil being a team player.

      • LN91 says:

        Meh, that’s what being thrown around today…Especially since Bozak/Kessel have the same agents.

        This is absurd, if Kessel and Bozak are both using themselves as leverage for the other…They can both leave…

        • reinjosh says:

          If this is true…I’ll be plenty pissed off. Absurd is the right word. I’ve been an ardent supporter of Kessel and that deal but if this is true, then this is moronic.

          I wonder if it’s just his agent saying this though, putting words into Phil’s mouth so to speak.

  11. realistic_leafs_fan says:

    The Sharks have to be looking at their cap situation.
    They extended Couture for the tune of $6 mil starting next season when Thornton, Marleau, Pavelski and Boyle all become UFA.
    One of Thornton or Marleau will likely be traded this year, rather than let them walk and Boyle…not sure there.
    The Sharks have $60mil tied up already in 10 forwards, 7 D and 1 goalie. Tyler Kennedy as an RFA who was making $2mil per. Same kind of money puts them at $62 with 11 for, 7 d and 1 G signed and no compliance buy-outs mentioned yet…even though Havlat would make sense.

    I wonder if a Liles for Burns deal is possible. I would do it if we keep our 1 compliance just in case. Liles is not utilized here and Burns, although carrying $1.9 mil more cap hit, could be a home-run hit or a bust on the right side. He can also play right wing. He is inconsistent, but the skill level is very high, along with a big frame.

    • reinjosh says:

      I suspect we’d have to keep cap and send something else with Liles to make it worthwhile. Liles has been pretty bad since his injury in 2011-2012. Burns has been impressive as a forward, I can’t imagine he’d be a cheap get, even with his cap hit.

      Although he’d be a perfect fit for the team. Big, fleet of foot. Any deal where we don’t lose the speed that was a huge reason we gave Boston trouble, is a good deal to me.

  12. LN91 says:

    Interesting. Steve Spott’s (New Marlies coach, the guy I wanted) is the uncle of Stephen Weiss

  13. LN91 says:

    Grabovski on waivers…So, either Bozak is a Leaf or they’re going the UFA route.

    Let’s rewind a year ago. Where I said the Grabo contract was a ‘horrendous’ deal and he should’ve been dealt for a 1st round pick at the deadline 🙂 Still agree?

    Oh well.

    • reinjosh says:

      Well I’m officially anti-Nonis.

      I’m going to enjoy seeing Grabo sign with Detroit and putting up a healthy middle finger to the Leafs and the anti-Grabo fans.

      This is absolutely retarded. Grabo gets misused by Carlyle, still plays one of the best puck-possession games and defensive games on the team and he’s getting crap for it.

      Fuck this. Nonis better not replace him with a Bozak signing…

      • realistic_leafs_fan says:

        I am definitely not a Grabo hater, I have been a supporter of him, but if he is not going to be used…then it’s a good move to buy him out and let him move on.
        That said, I really don’t want Bozak back now that we have Bolland.

        • reinjosh says:

          It’s a waste of an asset. He’s was misused because he was playing such difficult minutes. The easy thing would have been to just let Bozak go and move Grabo back into a scoring line role with Bolland taking over number 3.

          I’ll be a little less pissed at this move if and when Nonis does something else at teh C position, unless that something else is re-signing Bozak or moving Bolland into the 2C spot.

          • LN91 says:

            How about everyone takes their ‘difficult minutes’ excuses for every player and shove it you know where!

            It’s as simple as this, if you don’t perform…You don’t stay. I like that motto!

            • nordiques100 says:

              I am hoping its Weiss.

              he is a bit of both Bozak and Grabo.

              He is a very good skater, not quite as fast as Grabo, but faster than bozak.

              He is good on draws. Percentage wise not as high as Bozak and his 53% but he’s over 50% which is better than Grabo.

              He can play a defensive game, probably better than Bozak and grabo who were used in those roles by both Wilson and Carlyle.

              He is a capable offensive centre who is able to play with good players. He worked really well with Horton previously, and recently Versteeg and Flieschmann. In Toronto it could be JVR, Kessel, Lupul as his choice of wingers. He can run with the bigger boys I think.

              • LN91 says:

                Good point!

                I would rather have our defensive centers play the defensive roles then paying Bozak $5 million for that role.

                I’m scared about Weiss…But no doubt he has not had the best time in Florida. Look at Horton

              • reinjosh says:

                I would be amenable to replacing Grabo with Weiss.

                Honestly as long as Grabo isn’t being replaced by Bolland, Clarkson (his salary more than his position) or Bozak I’ll be able to accept this deal.

              • realistic_leafs_fan says:

                I can handle Weiss on a reasonable contract around $4 mil and no longer than 4 years. He has always played 1st line minutes and has only broken 60 pts once. He is not a $5+ mil guy. imo

            • reinjosh says:

              It’s hard to produce when you’re getting third line minutes, and very little power play time because you’re moronic coach has trouble figuring out that Tyler Bozak isn’t a first or second line center.

              • nordiques100 says:

                i will say its not all about Carlyle.

                Bozak is best friends with Kessel and they do share good chemistry together.

                Chemistry is a key component and since Grabovski and Kessel have never really shared it, Bozak, of the list of centres the last few seasons, is it. sad, but true.

                Kessel when he’s played here seems most comfortable with Bozak but i am really hoping he forms a duo with Kadri at some point.

            • realistic_leafs_fan says:

              He had a limited NTC as well, which could have hampered getting a return. Maybe Grabo wouldn’t accept going to certain places they could have traded him. Likely most teams were waiting to see if he got bought-out.
              The positive is that with the 2 buyouts, we freed up $10 mil in cap space which allows us the ability to take back contract via trade.

              • nordiques100 says:

                there is also really no one else other than Liles who remotely comes close to being a buyout candidate.

                so the “fear” of using up both buyouts now is really no fear at all IMO

  14. nordiques100 says:

    shit they’re talking Ericsson from Dallas to Boston for Seguin. it would be a bigger packaged deal. as per Dreger. wow.

  15. mojo19 says:

    Wild stuff in Dallas. I like it. I wanna know all the details and if the Stars get Peverly in the deal as well.

    As for Grabo, see ya dude. Nice to see Nonis getting rid of the faggy Ron Wilson players. Grabo, Bobo, MacArthur, fuck off.

  16. mojo19 says:

    Nice move for the Stars! They did land Peverly. Well done.

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