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		<title>By: canucklehead</title>
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		<dc:creator>canucklehead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2003 16:33:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[dime a dozen]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dime a dozen</p>
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		<title>By: canucklehead</title>
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		<dc:creator>canucklehead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2003 16:31:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sucks]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sucks</p>
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		<title>By: Kashin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kashin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2003 17:33:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Notice that in the letter I touched Bertuzzi at most. Never mentioned Palfy once. If Milbury must go, I for everyone else will walk on.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Notice that in the letter I touched Bertuzzi at most. Never mentioned Palfy once. If Milbury must go, I for everyone else will walk on.</p>
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		<title>By: caskade</title>
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		<dc:creator>caskade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2003 16:04:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[the truth is that yes, the guy has done some really dumb shit.  and yes, if you look at the records of any man that has held a GM position in the NHL, for most the same probably could hold true.  the difference is that mike seems to be untouchable.  he is one of two GMs that have the longest tenure in the entire league... the other being the mastermind lou over in jersey.  now it makes sense as to why HE would be tenured, but mike?  he doesnt win.  one will be in the hall of fame.  the other is almost laughable to even suggest he would make it by car.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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what it comes down to is that this team is finally loaded with talent.... and something is still not right behind the scenes in the organization.  insiders talk about the team not liking mike and the way that he does his business, both in the locker room and in the media.  weve seen meltdowns because of it.  but we have also seen meltdowns when there was no real indication of anything wrong.  the truth is that he has done some bad wheeling and dealing, and he has also done some good.... he HAS put together a team that we all agree has talent and should be doing, and has shown signs of the ability to do, great things. the only place left to shake things up is in the upper management.... start someplace fresh and go from there.  and weve seen in the past how replacing of a GM has sparked teams to realize that ownership means business.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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but those that do tout the firing of mike milbury remember one thing.... thats going to mean drastic changes to the team, in appearnce and in salary cap.... after eight years in the organization, letting milbury go is probably going to cost want a shitload of money to replace and rebuild the organization corporate office side... hes either going to lose and have to replace those loyal to milbury or end up paying more in order to keep them.... the bad part about being one of the longest tenured in the league is that nobody really knows whats going to happen when he gets fired.... how its going to hurt the organization off the ice... and to wang&#039;s credit as a businessman, thats a very tough trigger to pull.  so if he does it, fans shouldnt start whining about who else gets cut because of it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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peace.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the truth is that yes, the guy has done some really dumb shit.  and yes, if you look at the records of any man that has held a GM position in the NHL, for most the same probably could hold true.  the difference is that mike seems to be untouchable.  he is one of two GMs that have the longest tenure in the entire league&#8230; the other being the mastermind lou over in jersey.  now it makes sense as to why HE would be tenured, but mike?  he doesnt win.  one will be in the hall of fame.  the other is almost laughable to even suggest he would make it by car.</p>
<p>what it comes down to is that this team is finally loaded with talent&#8230;. and something is still not right behind the scenes in the organization.  insiders talk about the team not liking mike and the way that he does his business, both in the locker room and in the media.  weve seen meltdowns because of it.  but we have also seen meltdowns when there was no real indication of anything wrong.  the truth is that he has done some bad wheeling and dealing, and he has also done some good&#8230;. he HAS put together a team that we all agree has talent and should be doing, and has shown signs of the ability to do, great things. the only place left to shake things up is in the upper management&#8230;. start someplace fresh and go from there.  and weve seen in the past how replacing of a GM has sparked teams to realize that ownership means business.</p>
<p>but those that do tout the firing of mike milbury remember one thing&#8230;. thats going to mean drastic changes to the team, in appearnce and in salary cap&#8230;. after eight years in the organization, letting milbury go is probably going to cost want a shitload of money to replace and rebuild the organization corporate office side&#8230; hes either going to lose and have to replace those loyal to milbury or end up paying more in order to keep them&#8230;. the bad part about being one of the longest tenured in the league is that nobody really knows whats going to happen when he gets fired&#8230;. how its going to hurt the organization off the ice&#8230; and to wang&#8217;s credit as a businessman, thats a very tough trigger to pull.  so if he does it, fans shouldnt start whining about who else gets cut because of it.</p>
<p>peace.</p>
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		<title>By: caskade</title>
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		<dc:creator>caskade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2003 15:49:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[of course you are a ranger fan.  thats why you want to se lafontaine&#039;s number hanging in nassau.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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screw this lafontaine crap!  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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retire his number?  i grew up on long island.  i still lived there when he played there and what *I* remember was a pussy player that cried cause we couldnt win.  asked to be traded.  refused to play in violation of his contract because the management wouldnt get him help to win.  this guy was brought up after the championship years and he and flatley were to represent the next generation of the team... and he whined his way off the island.  he might have done some great things afterwords, but his commitment to long island was NOT one of them.  let the rangers hang his jersey.  let buffalo hang his number.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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i say fuck him.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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peace.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>of course you are a ranger fan.  thats why you want to se lafontaine&#8217;s number hanging in nassau.</p>
<p>screw this lafontaine crap!  </p>
<p>retire his number?  i grew up on long island.  i still lived there when he played there and what *I* remember was a pussy player that cried cause we couldnt win.  asked to be traded.  refused to play in violation of his contract because the management wouldnt get him help to win.  this guy was brought up after the championship years and he and flatley were to represent the next generation of the team&#8230; and he whined his way off the island.  he might have done some great things afterwords, but his commitment to long island was NOT one of them.  let the rangers hang his jersey.  let buffalo hang his number.</p>
<p>i say fuck him.</p>
<p>peace.</p>
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		<title>By: kidhenry1</title>
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		<dc:creator>kidhenry1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2003 14:49:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Everything that happened with Mad Mike during the Milstein years is in the past--it was not his fault. His hands were tied. Because of Howard Milstein&#039;s crazy salary dumping, the isles were stuck in a rut of losing, drafting first rounders, then trading those first rounders the next year for more draft picks.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Then came the Yashin and the Peca deals. It is easy to pick on Yashin for his flakiness and total lack of defensive intensity. And Mike Peca has not much outside of his leadership skills and semi-physical play left. But think back to two years ago. The islanders were the hottest team in the east and could&#039;ve beaten any team that year (an off year for NJ &amp; Philly).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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But then they fell behind Toronto 2-0 going back to Uniondale. And then, by some miracle, Alexei Yashin woke up and led the isles back. Dave Scatchard (a Milbury addition) started to score. And Shawn Bates (another Milbury guy) scored the great penalty shot. Hip-hip hooray. We love Mike. Mike must stay.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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But then the Tucker hit happened, and Michael Peca, the man who led the islanders to and nearly through the playoffs, couldn&#039;t do it anymore. They lost the series. Laviolette lost the team without Pecs. Peca hasn&#039;t been able to score quite like that since. Yashin seems lost now that people look to him to be a leader. Parrish can&#039;t shovel garbage if there&#039;s no garbage to shovel. Ozzie couldn&#039;t do everything by himself.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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So much for your plan, Mike. But all of the trades that Milbury made, all the stupid ones that we make fun of now, they are the reason that we can even talk about the isles as a playoff team (no matter how bleak it looks.) &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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If Mike must go, Mike must go. But at least remember that he tried, and nearly succeeded. The future was way to far for isles fans. I&#039;m sure all of you icelander fanboys out there were thinking, &quot;why can&#039;t Mike just bring in somebody who can win us some games this year?&quot; And I&#039;m sure none of you threw your remote in digust when you heard that the isles traded for Alexei Yashin and Michael Peca. So if Mike must go, I for one will wave goodbye.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everything that happened with Mad Mike during the Milstein years is in the past&#8211;it was not his fault. His hands were tied. Because of Howard Milstein&#8217;s crazy salary dumping, the isles were stuck in a rut of losing, drafting first rounders, then trading those first rounders the next year for more draft picks.</p>
<p>Then came the Yashin and the Peca deals. It is easy to pick on Yashin for his flakiness and total lack of defensive intensity. And Mike Peca has not much outside of his leadership skills and semi-physical play left. But think back to two years ago. The islanders were the hottest team in the east and could&#8217;ve beaten any team that year (an off year for NJ &#038; Philly).</p>
<p>But then they fell behind Toronto 2-0 going back to Uniondale. And then, by some miracle, Alexei Yashin woke up and led the isles back. Dave Scatchard (a Milbury addition) started to score. And Shawn Bates (another Milbury guy) scored the great penalty shot. Hip-hip hooray. We love Mike. Mike must stay.</p>
<p>But then the Tucker hit happened, and Michael Peca, the man who led the islanders to and nearly through the playoffs, couldn&#8217;t do it anymore. They lost the series. Laviolette lost the team without Pecs. Peca hasn&#8217;t been able to score quite like that since. Yashin seems lost now that people look to him to be a leader. Parrish can&#8217;t shovel garbage if there&#8217;s no garbage to shovel. Ozzie couldn&#8217;t do everything by himself.</p>
<p>So much for your plan, Mike. But all of the trades that Milbury made, all the stupid ones that we make fun of now, they are the reason that we can even talk about the isles as a playoff team (no matter how bleak it looks.) </p>
<p>If Mike must go, Mike must go. But at least remember that he tried, and nearly succeeded. The future was way to far for isles fans. I&#8217;m sure all of you icelander fanboys out there were thinking, &#8220;why can&#8217;t Mike just bring in somebody who can win us some games this year?&#8221; And I&#8217;m sure none of you threw your remote in digust when you heard that the isles traded for Alexei Yashin and Michael Peca. So if Mike must go, I for one will wave goodbye.</p>
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		<title>By: NYIchooch75</title>
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		<dc:creator>NYIchooch75</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2003 12:59:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s all well and good, but I was ooking at his NHL numbers.  The guy was a bum here.  Ask any Islander fan, his heart wasn&#039;t in it, and he no longer wanted to play here.  Nobody ever dreamed he would become a 90+ point scorer, CONSISTENTLY.  Maybe 60+ at best.  And Jolkinen, the guy was an absolute horror on skates.  Extremely overweight, and completely uninterested in hockey.  Hell, Kvasha looks has more intensity than this guy did.  And he was throw-in to boot.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Point is, you never know.  And looking back is always easier than looking ahead.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s all well and good, but I was ooking at his NHL numbers.  The guy was a bum here.  Ask any Islander fan, his heart wasn&#8217;t in it, and he no longer wanted to play here.  Nobody ever dreamed he would become a 90+ point scorer, CONSISTENTLY.  Maybe 60+ at best.  And Jolkinen, the guy was an absolute horror on skates.  Extremely overweight, and completely uninterested in hockey.  Hell, Kvasha looks has more intensity than this guy did.  And he was throw-in to boot.</p>
<p>Point is, you never know.  And looking back is always easier than looking ahead.</p>
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		<title>By: NYIchooch75</title>
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		<dc:creator>NYIchooch75</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2003 12:54:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think Frolov is going to be a better goal scorer, Chistov a better all-around player.  And yes, both were a reach.  It would take a lot more than Parrish, and I was just throwing suggestions out there.  Never said it could happen.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Frolov is going to be a better goal scorer, Chistov a better all-around player.  And yes, both were a reach.  It would take a lot more than Parrish, and I was just throwing suggestions out there.  Never said it could happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Kashin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kashin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2003 09:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Isbister is still not that good. As I like to recalll every Isle fan said it was worth taking the risk since he would never be good as an Isle.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Chistov is the future of Anaheim. They would never do that trade. Neither would LA.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isbister is still not that good. As I like to recalll every Isle fan said it was worth taking the risk since he would never be good as an Isle.</p>
<p>Chistov is the future of Anaheim. They would never do that trade. Neither would LA.</p>
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		<title>By: Kashin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kashin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2003 09:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I dont think heatly would have done well as an Isle and I have every reason to believe so.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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The Isles had the 5th pick also in 2000 and hoped Gaborik would fall to there.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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My main problem is Dipietro set Isle goaltending back 3 years. They would be more stable with being patient with Luongo. At the time of the deal the focus was on Dipietro over Luongo and not Heatly or Gaborik. It was implied when they made the trade what the first pick would be.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dont think heatly would have done well as an Isle and I have every reason to believe so.</p>
<p>The Isles had the 5th pick also in 2000 and hoped Gaborik would fall to there.</p>
<p>My main problem is Dipietro set Isle goaltending back 3 years. They would be more stable with being patient with Luongo. At the time of the deal the focus was on Dipietro over Luongo and not Heatly or Gaborik. It was implied when they made the trade what the first pick would be.</p>
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