Gaborik on the block?

Some rumors have the Wild close to re-signing the budding winger. Others have the Wild looking to shop him. Here’s what’s been reported, and here’s what’s been rumored.

“The MINNEAPOLIS STAR-TRIBUNE and THE PIONEER PRESS both report Marian Gaborik’s agent said Sunday his client has made it clear he wants to get a deal done with the Minnesota Wild. Agent Ron Salcer said he and Gaborik have made it clear to the Wild their intentions are sincere. Both papers report the Wild are believed to have offered Gaborik several long-term proposals worth more than $8.5 million per season. The Wild have not given the Gaborik camp a deadline but it’s believed GM Doug Risebrough would like to get a deal done prior to the team’s opener on October 11th.”

Spector thinks “it’s encouraging to hear this news coming from the Gaborik camp. Term probably won’t be the issue here but money, as Gaborik could probably earn more than $8.5 million per season as a UFA next summer.” He further speculates that “at some point we’ll hear from so-called “insiders” that the talks aren’t going well and the Wild will shop Gaborik but thus far everything being reported out of Minneapolis-St. Paul on this story suggests talks are ongoing and raise the possibility of the Wild re-signing him.”

Now for the “Insider” info.
Not surprisingly it involves the Penguins.

Jordan Staal is not happy with his role among the Penguins. He is a natural center, and though versatile enough to play wing, would prefer to be centering a Top 2 line. The Penguins have tried to accomodate his desire for more of a role and are thus testing him on Malkin’s LW to fill in for Malone’s departure. However, it isn’t enough. Unlike the rest of the ‘core’ of the Pens that re-signed this (or last) summer, Staal didn’t. Especially note-worthy is that he didn’t while Malkin did. It was wise on his part because he had a bad sophomore year and had little bargaining power, but if he remains 3rd best on the Pens (if that), he won’t get any leverage. Thus, he may want to test an offer sheet, so go the rumors.

Crosby lost Hossa and still needs an elite winger.

The rumors I’ve heard have the Wild trading Gaborik to the Penguins for Jordan Staal and a prospect or pick.

The Penguins want to keep their picks, having been depleted recently. They are, however, considering parting with a prospect if it can land Gaborik, despite their also depleted list of prospects.

Headlining the prospects is Alex Goligoski. The Pens traded away Noah Welch for Gary Roberts before because they knew they had Whitney coming into his own, Letang on the way up (who had an amazing rookie season and will be counted upon to perform strong during Whitney’s and now possibly Gonchar’s injuries, not to mention Scuderi’s), and Goligoski around the corner.

Would the Penguins lose a trade that saw J. Staal and A. Goligoski traded for Gaborik?

Statistically, prior to last season’s 42 goals and 83 points (career bests, along with 41 assists), Marian had only managed 65, 66 and 67 points. However, he has scored 30 or more goals on five occassions for the tight Wild. His asking price may be $9 million or more, given that the Wild seem to have offered him $8.5 million and speculation says he’d get more on the free market.

The question then is: Is Marian Gaborik as good as, or better than Marian Hossa? Hossa was offered $9 million a year for a VERY long term. Gaborik is younger.

Again, would you make the above trade? The Pens would rather give up Sneep or Strait instead of Goligoski, who may be asked to play in the NHL as soon as this year’s season opener. But the Wild may want more for what they perceive to be one hell of a player, ie. Goligoski.

Let’s also not forget, however, that there’s been plenty of talk from Pens’ management that they are in love with Staal and don’t want to move him. But necessity may force it. The bigger problem with this, is of course the damned Salary Cap. In reality, Whitney (or God forbid, Gonchar) would need to be traded. I doubt that will happen.

Remember that Sykora, Satan, Fedotenko, Gill and Sydor (with his ridiculous contract) are all UFAs next year and younger, entry-level contract guys or cheap fillers could take their place, so this trade could theoretically work.

So, what do you think? If you were the Pens, what would you give up (with Cap in mind) to get Gaborik?

And, let’s here all your trade proposals for Gaborik.

On a final note, keep in mind that the Wild would be trading from a somewhat weaker position if they are unable to re-sign Marian.

Source:
http://www.spectorshockey.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=138:updates-on-marian-gaborik-and-jay-bouwmeester&catid=34:articles&Itemid=55
and
http://www.spectorshockey.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=140:the-latest-on-schneider-and-gaborik&catid=34:articles&Itemid=55

Pens prospects:
http://www.hockeysfuture.com/teams/pittsburgh_penguins


130 Responses to Gaborik on the block?

  1. Kramer says:

    For the Leafs to win the cup, they got to act now and make a big trade.

  2. the_word says:

    Stanley Cup?

  3. mojo19 says:

    Steen is worth that at best. Antropov is worth much more than those guys. OBVIOUSLY.

  4. mojo19 says:

    Ya Staal is a gem. But I'd rather get a shot at Hedman or Tavares. Also those guys will be cap dreams for a few years, where as Staal has already played a couple years and is earning the big$. You dig?

  5. mojo19 says:

    Bru, I'm not trying to take anything away from Staal, but I think Hedman and Tavares have potential to be better than this guy. The Leafs would be better off keeping picks.

    Also Tlusty has the speed and skills to be a top 6 forward for a long time. Is he as good as Jordan Staal? NO, I know that. But he's still very good, I wouldn't wanna trade him and draft picks to bring in Staal (unless were talking about Eric, cuz he's a franchise player)

  6. mojo19 says:

    Agreed Gonchar is PIMP and only in the last two years has he really become a stud, cuz he's really come a long way defensively. IN Washington he was a 4th forward out there, now hes a go-to guy on the blueline.

  7. mojo19 says:

    My guess is that he will want out, they're trying him on Malkins wing, but he's such a centre and doesn't deserve 3rd line duties.

  8. mojo19 says:

    Well I'll agree that it might not be enough because of MInnesota's situation on the back end. But you're undervalueing Tomas Kaberle. Kaberle is an amazing defensman, he'd instantly become they're #1 and would leave them with more right away.

    If they lost Gaborik for young guys and draft picks they would be rebuilding almost from scratch, at least bringing in Kaberle gives them a very valuable assett.

    That trade proposal was the best one of the thread. Sorry, i got you this time Bru.

  9. mojo19 says:

    Malkin could easily put up over 100 pts playing 2nd line, cuz he'll still be 1st PP unit on the point.

  10. mojo19 says:

    Leafs rock!!! Love Grabovski!!! This guy is slippery, holy. I hope he's not one of those guys who shines in pre-season and then puts up 22 pts in the regular season.

  11. cam7777 says:

    again though mojo, i was saying to give them a 1st round pick for 2010, not 2009 (one that we'll hopefully be able to acquire from another team this year in exchange for antropov….if not, then our own 1st rounder, which hopefully won't be a top 5 pick again in 2010)
     

  12. BruMagnus says:

    Wow. Who'd have thought I'd be defending an anti-Pens sentiment?
    Only 2 players got 100 points last year, and neither easily.

    I'd pick Thornton before Malkin in any straight up points pool.

  13. BruMagnus says:

    Hey, everyone on here knows Sundin and Kaberle are the only Leafs I've ever liked.

    And you can check our HTR pool and go take a look at who MY first defenseman chosen was.  :-)

    Still, the trade of Calder Finalist and 2nd overall pick Jordan Staal with the Pens' TOP prospect is a much much better deal. And everyone on here knows it.

    Remember how long it took Fleury to grow? Staal's had 2 seasons… just you wait!

  14. BruMagnus says:

    Such are the 'problems' of the Penguins to have three elite, possible franchise, centers… hehe

  15. BruMagnus says:

    Agreed. I've been saying since his 2nd year in Pittsburgh the same. His first was atrocious. I think he MAY have had the League high penalties in hooking. Seriously. But he's done much MUCH better since his first year as a Pen.

    Idiots said it was a stupid, expensive contract and I laughed at them. Rightfully so!

    Gonchar's injury is going to hurt the Pens far far more than Whitney's.

  16. BruMagnus says:

    Ah Ok then. Would I trade Staal for the chance to draft Hedman or Tavares? Now THAT's an interesting question indeed! With all the hype surrounding the next NEXT one, maybe….
    Check this out though: http://ballhype.com/story/hockey_tavares_starting_to_slip/

    And… Tavares is yet another center!!! So it's pointless!

    Now having a D like Hedman could be excellent indeed, especially if he's a Pronger or Chara like D-man that we are missing.

  17. BruMagnus says:

    Staal is still on his entry-level contract…

    If he has another so-so year AND decides to re-sign, he won't get more than $4 million.

  18. BruMagnus says:

    WARNING!!!

    I just thought I'd fill you all in on something seeing as NO ONE here questioned the 'sources' or validity of my claims.

    I made it up!

    I even got HTR 'Feature Article' status.

    This is the danger of listening to online *****s like Eklund and such. We've said it in the past, and I will continue to say it. EKLUND IS A FRAUD. As are most people online. They have no sources. Most of them aren't even clever enough to say things that make any sense, and when they are exposed, you'd think people would be wise enough to move on. There are a few though that can do what I have just done, and intertwine 2 different unrelated rumors floating around into a new one. With a little hockey knowledge and common sense it's really not too difficult to do what I just did.

    What I'm trying to say is:
    PLEASE DON'T cite Eklund or other such morons as a source on this site, EVER!

    If you want good analyses, check out Spector. http://www.spectorshockey.net/
    I found his analyses very insightful and his 'predictions' 90% accurate.

    We can all save a LOT of time if we avoid idiotic ideas that make no sense. Especially all those "Leafs need to do this" or "Habs need to do this" or "Pens need to do this" fantasies.

    Now, if there's something that's plausible, like this article, by all means let's discuss it, because I think this was one of the better received articles in recent times with some excellent, dare I say mature, responses (excluding me, naturally).

    Let's try to keep that up as the theme for this year instead of the usual bickering, posturing and pointless articles.

    Thanks.

    BruMagnus

  19. mojo19 says:

    I see your point here, but you still shouldn't make up rumours like that Bru.

    But ya the last time I went to hockeybuzz was over 2 years ago at least, and I check out Spector all the time, that guys good.

  20. mojo19 says:

    Staal will get there quicker though. Point still stands.

  21. mojo19 says:

    2010 pick cam7777? That could be interesting ya. Hopefully after a year with Wilson the Leafs 2010 pick wouldn't be a top 10. And with Jordan Staal in the line up that would help them move up in the standings too.

  22. mojo19 says:

    Hedman is a really interesting prospect. Hope the Leafs get a chance to pick him.

  23. mojo19 says:

    Oh i dont think i saw your Staal for Gaborik proposal.

  24. mojo19 says:

    straight up points it would be tight between the two. But if in a goal heavy pool, Thornton's balls compaired to Malkin.

  25. BruMagnus says:

    Fair enough. But when I came on here after having had submitted this article I almost believed it myself, despite writing it!
    It makes sense.

    Is hockeybuzz Eklund's site? I don't even remember. There are so many crap ones.

  26. BruMagnus says:

    It was in the main article.

    Staal AND the Pens' top prospect (Goligoski, think Letang+Whitney).

  27. hockey_lover says:

    140?  I highly doubt it.

  28. mojo19 says:

    ya that site is ballz. there are only 3 i like, this, spector and thefourthperiod.

  29. mojo19 says:

    Ya ya, at the time I thought it was a legit rumour from somewhere, I thought you meant like you came up with something else.

  30. BruMagnus says:

    Aside from all my Pens-related ones, I'm the same.

    Usually the 4th period is a little slower, but sometimes it beats the others to the punch.

    Oh, and of course tsn.ca/nhl

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