Gagner for Franson?

Edmonton Oilers’ centre Sam Gagner, who keeps finding himself in trade rumours–Toronto for defenceman Cody Franson is the latest or Chicago where he could be reunited with London Knights junior linemate Patrick Kane– didn’t skate Wednesday, nursing a sore back.

“I don’t think it’s anything serious,” said Oilers’ head coach Tom Renney, who felt the centre would be ready for the Ottawa Senators Thursday night as the Oilers look to break a three-game losing streak.

Gagner is still trying to find his way after missing most of training camp with a high-ankle sprain. He has 175 NHL points in 302 games but this year he only has two assists in 11 games . He had one of his better outings Sunday in Chicago. He was on a line with Ben Eager and Lennart Petrell Tuesday at practice at Millennium Place, more or less a checking line but he’s been getting second unit powerplay time, too. If he can’t play, Magnus Paajarvi will draw in. Darcy Hordichuk (hyper-extended knee) is close but is a better bet to play Saturday against the Blackhawks.

http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2011/11/16/gagner-questionable-for-senators-game/


25 Responses to Gagner for Franson?

  1. mojo19 says:

    I've been saying this for weeks now. Glad to see its finally turned into an actual rumour (of sorts).

    I really think this would be a good trade for both sides. I know a lot of people don't like it and are not fans of Sam Gagner, but anyone who can put up 49 points as an 18 year old rookie, and then continue to maintain that 45-50 point per season pace (pro-rating for injuries), you know the talent is there. This is a 22 year old kid. A lot of players would not even be in the league by that point in their careers. I think, like Schenn, Gagner is held to higher standards than other players his age because he's a 4 year veteran already at this stage in his career, but the truth is, he's not even in his prime yet. Won't be approaching it for a couple more seasons. I really think it would be a great gamble on this kid. He could be a potential replacement for Connolly as our top center in a couple of seasons.

  2. TheLeafNation91 says:

    Another average player???

    Do you like superstars or has mediocracy convinced you that this guy is a good future investment?

  3. mojo19 says:

    Once again, you have to look at the rate he's been producing at since entering the league, and consider that a 45-50 point player at age 22 with his kind of skill set has got the potential to take that next step up into the 65-80 point range as he approaches his prime. I see him as a comparable to a Derek Roy or Mike Ribeiro.

    But its funny in an ironic sort of way, given what's gone on, because you're sounding a lot like the_word right now, he always made comments like that. For him, it was bona-fide superstars and no-brainer blue chippers only. Anyone else need not apply.

  4. mojo19 says:

    Also, I used to be of that mindset, looking back on some of the articles I've written over the past couple of years, and I like the Black Hawks model, or Penguins, or Capitals who all sank to the bottom to get to the top. And I recognize that it is the best way. Of course, it can also backfire, as evidenced by the Islanders, Panthers, Blue Jackets, etc.

    But what you're going to need to deal with is that Burke is building in the Flyers model (pre Carter/Richards trade). How they dealt draft picks and prospects to bring in Hartnell, Timonen, Pronger, spent big on the best UFA's they could get, most notably Briere etc. This seems to be the path Burke is going with. You can either accept it, or continue to be miserable.

    And, in the end, odds are, we might have to wait out an entire Burke regime, and wait for the next mgmt team to come in and do a "proper rebuild" such is life as a Leafs fan. Or, you can bank on Burke, and hope he can keep pulling off these Lupul and Kessel and Phaneuf type trades and keep going with the Philly model to build a contender. This is the reality right now, so you'll just have to deal with it.

    Keeping that in mind, going for Gagner would be a good gamble. Kid's 22 and has shown a lot of good qualities at an NHL level. I would not rule him out at all.

    Also, get the chip off your shoulder. We could engage in a civilized conversation if you wanted to, I've been trying to but you've got this rain cloud over your head, just relax buddy.

  5. alpalstewart says:

    as prolly the only oiler guy who speaks up on here i agree with you mojo,Gags is a 4 year vet and you better bet you biffy the oilers are high on him still. prolly more than franson is to you. the rumor i heard was the oilers offered the asking price of a player and a 2nd rounder, which was Omark, but burke wants Gags and a 2nd or OMARK,PITLICK and a 2nd. he's outa his *****kin mind if you ask me. Pitlick will go nowhere till we see what he can do 1st. he's supposed to be kesler type player with size and grit and nice hands.and he's a 1st rounder, so in a nutshell he wants a 1st(Pitlick)a 2nd and omark. I know burke is a shrewd dealer but COME ON, franson for Gags is a fair deal if he needs a little more maybe we throw in a 5th or later pick

  6. alpalstewart says:

    Truth is my Oilers are desperate, 2 more defencemen went down lastnight.

    sutton pulled his groin during warm-up and potter left the game and is now listed as day to day. ive heard rumblings that the oilers might be willing to paret with theyre 1st pick to get an established young blueliner and that blueliner could be bogosian. omark and a1st for bogosian i think is fair with a defence strong draft coming up. but then i dont wanna miss out on something special either and i bet thayts weighing in on tambolinni's mind, especially the way the oil are playing now, they might be losin out on a top 10 pick.
  7. alpalstewart says:

    funny how your other leaf fan buddies have franson touted so high when he cant make the team over gardiner or schenn right now. franson is wasting away as a 7th defender, your team is supposed to be very highly skilled on the back end, but the past few games they look like the oilers D. and our defence is missing our best player in whitney for all but 2 games

  8. alpalstewart says:

    oh by the way ive heard that the injury thing about gags was BS, i think he was almost traded away lastnight and didnt go in cus of it.

  9. toronto77 says:

    I would rather do Franson and a pick/prospect for MPS. On a team like the leafs, Gagner will be more of a Bozak type of player, and with Bozak being bad enough as it is, that is something we do not need duplicates of.

  10. TheLeafNation91 says:

    We have done this before though and most of the time it does not work out.

    We gave Mike VanRyn life, fail. Fabian Brunstromm, fail. Vesa Toskala, fail. Andrew Raycroft, fail. Stajan, fail.

    Any player we tried, maybe its our luck, but they have failed most of time.

    I'm not saying bona-fide, but we've tried these things before to no avail.

    Maybe I'm just sick of these experiment? I'm not sure about you, but I'm sick of these fails and want a for sure for once.

  11. TheLeafNation91 says:

    I like Franson, huge fan of Nashville, and still do.

    I don't know…I actually feel you guys would get the better end of the deal in this.

  12. alpalstewart says:

    Hemsky might be your guy then, would definitely take a little more than franson for him, but i cant see it being much more. 

    to Edm.  franson,Mckegg and a 2nd 
    to Tor.   Hemsky and omark or pitlick 
    i'm hearing that burke is high on pitlick so perhaps we do pitlick instead of omark. which i think would likely happen if this were a deal burke would consider.
    although Hemsky has been injury prone the past 2 seasons he is a legit top line player that would look awesome feeding kessel the puck, this guy makes your beloved kessel a 50 goal guy. providing he suits up for atleast 65-70 games a year, and hemsky would have a legit sniper to play with. ive seen hemsky play alot and the thought of trading him away scares the poop outa me, so he'll have to go to the east.
  13. mojo19 says:

    Well, I don't believe in "for sures" but ya if we could land a 1st overall pick that traditionally would indicate that odds are on our side. But there's not guarantee on getting the 1st overall pick anyways, and Burkie will never let us fall that low (haha i know we finished 29th the Seguin year), but also remember when Burke grabbed Gerber who won a few extra games down the stretch when Toskala and Cujo were hurt. We coulda ran with Pogge that year and drafted higher than 7th, which was Kadri's year.

    But anyway's, I hear you, and we all feel your pain. But all those guys you mentioned were not Burke guys, MVR was Fletch and was a salary dump for McCabe, what did you expect from him? He played okay until he got hurt, but we were able to unload McCabe's contract, which was the key to that deal.
    And ya of course JFJ *****ed up real major dealing 1st, 2nd and 4th rd picks for Toskala and Bell, not even a year after moving Rask for Raycroft. Ya no question JFJ was a terrible GM. He definitely set this organization back. But to his credit he drafted Reimer, Gunnarsson, and Kulemin who all look like they could have long, productive NHL careers. Still, the bad far outweighs the good with JFJ and we'll never get those years back, but lets move on…
     
    Brunny was an AHL move by Burke for failed prospect, Stefanovich (Fletcher guy), I wouldn't really put too much consideration into that deal either, I doubt Burke ever had any real interest in re-signing him or giving him and NHL contract.

    Stajan was a good Quinn guy, but he is what he is.

    I think we need to trust in Burke right now because, really we have no other choice. The alternative is that you hope the team crashes and burns and we grab the 1st or 2nd overall pick. You seem to have chosen this option, but as a Leafs fan I just can't cheer against my team. Too much pride in loving this team for that. If we're way down late in the year everyone will be on board for tank nation, but until then, we're hoping to atleast make the playoffs and get some experience for our young club. In the mean time, we can look forward to the next Brian Burke trade. I don't know about you, but I think he's done a great job at bringing in some quality pieces to move forward with.

  14. Kessel_Leafs48 says:

    i havent been impressed with macarthur lately, he seems to be fighting the puck too much.  i say demote him too the third line and have a decent line of "macarthur bozak armstrong/frattin" a deal i would like to see is aquire bobby ryan. Ducks need defence and secondary scoring.. exactly what we have and now is the time to pull the trigger with ducks and ryan slumping. hes got size and is a sniper. 

    To leafs : ryan
    To ducks: gunnarson (more value then franson i believe) lombardi (although i like him), kadri and a second ? 
    something along the lines of that.  and have lines like 
    Lupul- connolly – kessel
    ryan – grabovski- kulimen
    macarthur – bozak- armstrong
    brown – steckel – orr
    phaneuf – franson
    liles – schenn
    komisarek – gardiner
     reimer
     scrivens
    its improves 3 areas upfront we desperately need.. grit, size and scoring and putting a guy like ryan on a line of grabovski and kulimen could jump start there production also. Especially now with all the injuries we need someone who can score. and when connolly gets injured we should really call up colborne, guys tearing up the ahl!
  15. dumbassdoorman says:

    Not sure that would get it done, be nice, but not going to happen,IMO

  16. dumbassdoorman says:

    With the injury to Komi, franson will get his chance to play now

  17. toronto77 says:

    any word on who the leafs called up to play tonight?

  18. dumbassdoorman says:

    Colborne got the call

  19. toronto77 says:

    it's about time

  20. reinjosh says:

    He's been injured

  21. reinjosh says:

    While I'm not exactly the biggest Gagner fan, I know when Burke goes after a player he's rarely wrong. On the rare occasion he has been wrong, he's been able to still maximize the players vale. 

    Van Ryn, Toskala, Raycroft were all pre Burke. Stajan was a holdover and Burke easily maximized his value in his best year. Brunnstrom was nothing more than a depth move for the Marlies. None of those examples are good ones.
    Lupul, Lombardi and Phaneuf are examples and ones that have worked out damn well. 
  22. dumbassdoorman says:

    Honestly i would have prefered he be Eakins co main man this season. he is a better coach then Wilson for young players, IMO. That he is going to be the 3rd line centre does nothing for me. I am more interested in seeing franson play relaxed hockey.

  23. toronto77 says:

    That comment about Eakins is the same thing they said about Maurice when he coached the marlies and he was awful with the leafs. Eakins would be interesting though.

  24. dumbassdoorman says:

    Two different coaches, two different people. Eakins is highly regarded in the hockey community. Not to mention he is a carreer player who worked his ass of to make a living. Big, no HUGE difference.

  25. DannyLeafs says:

    Also, the thing to remember is that Burke has brought in superstar calibre players by upgrading on assets. I have always used the fact that very few teams have made better use of assets and picks than Burke has by drafting. What I mean is that most teams that have kept all of their firsts for a long time don't average getting a player as good as Kessel for every 2 1sts they keep. Burke in 3 years has brought in Phaneuf and Kessel and added good young players like Kadri, Colbourne, and Gardiner. How many other teams have managed their picks to bring in that much talent? Not many. Personally I like what Burke has done. It's not as if he has wasted assets on 30 year old guys in a decline.

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