Habs and ther fans

Since I began submitting my thoughts on the Habs on this site, i have come to realize just how ignorant Canadiens fans are. We demand too much from our best and when they don’t perform, we demand they get traded. Everyone’s drooling at the prospect of having Marleau or Briere but i guarantee that if one of them does become a Hab, once they go through a slight slump, every single person on this site will demand they get traded and demand Gainey’s head.
Now, Bob Gainey hasn’t exactly been the world’s greatest GM but, who would you rather have? Pat Quinn? Don MacLean? Who? I thought so. You can’t think of anyone because their isn’t anyone. I have stopped worrying about the Habs and you want to know why? Because the Habs will win the cup to close out the decade. Montreal has won the cup in every decade since the NHL started and the streak isn’t about to end. I believe that 2008-09 is the year they do it for 2 reasons. One, the Habs aren’t quite ready to win the Cup this year but hey, you never know. And two, the Habs are hosting the All-Star game in 08-09 and i dare you to name me the last time Montreal hosted the all-star game and didn’t win the cup that same year. Now onto some down to earth thoughts concerning Montreal.

Montreal’s current roster looks like this:

Centres– Steve Begin, Saku Koivu, Maxim Lapierre, Garth Murray

Right Wingers– Andrei Kostitsyn, Alexei Kovalev, Guillaume Latendresse, Michael Ryder

Left Wingers– Chris Higgins, Janne Lahti, Tomas Plekanec,

Defencemen– Francis Bouillon, Mathieu Dandeneault, Josh Gorges, Andrei Markov, Mark Streit

Goalies– Jaroslav Halak, Cristobal Huet, Carey Price

Prospects– Andrew Archer-D, Mathieu Aubin-D, Mathieu Carle-D, Kyle Chipchura-C, Matt D’Agostini-RW, Mikael Grabovski-C, Sergei Kostitsyn-RW, Corey Locke-C, Duncan Milroy-RW, Ryan O’Byrne-D

UFA’s– David Aebischer-G, Radek Bonk-C, Mike Johnson-RW, Janne Niinimaa-D, Sheldon Souray-D, Jean-Phillipe Cote-D, Dan Jancevski-D, Jassen Culliomore-D, Aaron Downey-RW, Ajay Baines-C, Yann Danis-G

Ok, here’s what I propose. Drop Begin and demote Murray to Hamilton. That opens 2 C spots on the 2nd and 3rd lines respectively. I say promote Grabovski to the 2nd line because when he was called up, I was damn impressed by is work ethic and his speed and the fact that he and and Kovalev gelled. For the 3rd line, I’m a little hesitant to put Chipchura their because, well, I’m not 100% sold on him but then again, he did make Team Canada so he has to be good. Now, I say push hard to get Briere and if the Habs do, put Grabovski on the 3rd line. that settles the Centre position. Koivu, Briere, Grabovski, Lapierre. Not too bad. And in the event Briere doesn’t sign, Plekanec will play Centre once again.

At the right side, The Habs are fairly solid. Andrei Kosititsyn, Kovalev, Latendresse and Ryder. Now, take it, Latendresse will be playing the left side this season, so that opens a Right Wing spot. I believe that this spot will be taken by either Sergei Kostitsyn or Duncan Milroy, the latter probably winning the spot. So A. Kostitsyn, Kovalev, Milroy, Ryder. Not the greatest but not too shabby.

At left wing, again the Habs are fairly solid. Higgins, Plekanec, Latendresse and Janne Lahti. The Habs don’t have a solid LW prospect so if a FA move is to be made, it’ll be to nab a solid 4 th line checker, likely to be Pascal Dupuis, Ramzi Abid or Jani Rita because all three will be paid cheaply (anywhere from 450K-850K). And I believe the likely candidate will be Dupuis, (and NOT because he is French), because he is the most experienced of the 3. In any case, Lahti will be hard pressed to make the Habs this year. So we’re looking at Higgins, Plekanec, Latendresse, Lahti/FA signee. Fairly solid.

On Defence, I believe their are a lot of questions. The way it looks at this moment, the Habs have: Bouillon, Dandeneault, Gorges, Markov, and Streit with Archer, Aubin, Carle and O’Byrne fighting it out for the 6th spot and possible 7th spot. And with Souray walking in all likelihood, their now stands even more questions. I’m going to be ripped to shreds for this but, drop Bouillon and Dandeneault. That opens 2 more spots and also cap space. The reason for dropping these 2 is, I don’t see them having a long-term future in Montreal. Now, as for FA, i would seriously look at David Tanabe, Ric Jackman, Ossi Vaananen, Matheiu Schneider, Vitaly Vishnevsky, Tom Preissing, Scott Hannen, Joe DiPenta, Mike Mottau and Micki DuPont. All are between 27-29, say for Schneider, and are still in their prime. All can be effective in any given role and all have loads of experience, whether it be European or NHL. I see Schneider, Tom Preissing or Scott Hannen signing with Montreal. Preferably, I’d want Schenider because of his point shot and Preissing because, though he has no real point bomb, he is accurate. I would also like to see Vaananen because Montreal will need to replace Rivet and he’s a perfect, Finnish clone of Rivet. I see the D being Markov-Schneider, Gorges-Preissing and Vaananen-Streit, with O’Byrne being the 7th D-man. Not the greatest but definitely not the worst.

At goal, i would split the duties 50/50 or 41/41 in the NHL’s case because not one of the 3 goalies vying for the #1 are proven. Halak’s played roughly 15-20 games, Huet has never won more then 19 games in a year and Price is a rookie. I see Montreal running a sort of 3 goalie system, with each goalie getting 10-20 games each, with Huet most likely getting 20-40 games. Montreal possibly has the best goalie system their is in the NHL. No proven weakness but at the same time, no proven strength. Now if they don’t run a 3 goalie system, in all likelihood, Price is gonna win another Calder Cup in Hamilton. So, Halak and Huet between the pipes. Not terrible but rather borderline good-great, all depending on if Halak can translate his 0’s in the AHL to NHL 0’s. (I’m talking about his shut out number’s if you are confused by the “0’s)

The Habs line up, if it works out like i have proposed, looks like this, with last years goals-assists-points in brackets:

Latendresse(16-13-29)-Koivu(22-53-75)-Ryder(30-28-58)
Higgins(22-16-28)-Briere(32-63-95)-Kovalev(18-29-47)
Plekanec(20-27-47)-Grabovski(17-37-54 AHL)-A. Kostitsyn(1-10-11)
Lahti(20-14-34 Finland)-Lapierre(6-6-12)-Milroy(25-33-58 AHL)

Markov(6-43-49)-Schneider(11-41-52)
Gorges(1-3-4)-Preissing(7-31-38)
Vaananen(2-6-8)-Streit(10-26-36)
O’Byrne(0-12-12 AHL)

Huet(19-16-3)-Halak(10-6-0)

I know for a fact that every person who responds to this will rip me for putting Plekanec on the 3rd line but I have a reason. Look closely at that 3rd line. What do you notice? SPEED. If Carbo were to run a 4 line team, Plekanec will get over 12 minutes of ice time a game and hey he could beat out Higgins for the 2nd line. And with him being teammed with Grabovski and Kostitsyn, we’re looking at quite possibly the fastest line in the North East, maybe even the East. (i know, that’s pushing it a little bit).

Thier is loads of porential with this line up and it all can be had for roughly 9.5 million dollars. This line up looks familiar to Anaheims line up, lots of hard-working players, a bunch of role-filling players, but, not as many Canadians as I would like but, a bunch of players that play like Canadians. Even if the Habs don’t get Briere or anty other of my mentioned FA’s, they’ll still make some news and everything will be quite fine. Montreal’s fate rests in Halak and Huets hands. The way I see things, the Habs will make the play offs as the 6-8th seed. But if everything runs on all cylinders, we could even make a run at the division title. But thats a long shot. What’s your views on things? Just remember, this is just a proposal of what could be done. Just, don’t bank on Marleau unless the Sharks have Drury. We don’t have the Leafs depth in goaltending, we don’t have Buffalo’s s
peed and we don’t have Ottawa’s experience but what we DO have, is a little bit of everything, something those 3 teams don’t have. We have 4 potential solid lines, quite possibly a really good offence, an above-average defence and 2 solid goalies between the pipes. And, now for the wolves to tear my article apart.


24 Responses to Habs and ther fans

  1. habsrock99 says:

    Take note!!! When I wrote this, I was incredibly tired and I forgot Komisarek. So, ignore the Vaananen signing and move Gorges with Streit and put Komisarek with Preissing. So, it would look like this:

    Komisarek(4-15-19)-Preissing(7-31-38)

    Gorges(1-3-4)-Streit(10-26-36)

    O'Byrne(0-12-12)

  2. OwensMonsters says:

    Ok first off.. Plekanec had one hell of a second half last year and correct me if Im wrong but was he not our best faceoff man down the stretch?

    As for Briere.. Heck yes Id love to have him but not at the price he is sure to command.. I do agree with Schnieder and Preissing tho.. Schneider actually stating he would like to play for the habs and Preissing because for what he will be asking come July 1st.. thats still pretty affordable for a top 4 Dman..

    Marleau would be nice but I cant see anything on our roster right now or in the future worth giving up.. and when I say worth giving up I mean I dont want to see anyone ( Kovalev aside ) be moved.. and if Gainey does move someone on the roster.. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE try to get back a top 5 pick in next years draft ( I know that is a stretch.. but dreams are free )..

    So now what do you think my friends ?

  3. Rickoo7 says:

    we dont have leaf depth in goaltending…..Danis….Halak…Price…Huet…lindno-Heindberg…Desjardins….if its not a good depth chart….whats suppose to be?

  4. Milohabs says:

    and THIS is why you are not a GM in the NHL.

    I really DON'T want to rip the article to shred, but
    1) – I don't like your line up entirley.
    2) – MANY OF THE MOVES you suggest simply won't happen.

    Montreal needs to STAY THE COURSE. Keep specific players to build around (Higgins, Komisarek, Markov, Koivu, Latendress, Lapierre, Kostitsyn) and keep drafting well. As these players develop & mature over the next year or 2, you THEN add the little pieces (tougness, experience etc etc) that you need to make a solid cup run. I think the Habs need about 3 more years to be taken seriously. ALSO, in 3 years, Ottawa will be weaker, Buffalo will be a little weaker right away if they lose Drury & Briere, and Montreal should be fighting for one of the top seeds in the East 

  5. habsrock99 says:

    Considering Danis is gonna go elsewhere cuz he deserves a shot at being a #1 goalie. We're neck deep in goaltending TALENT, but talent doesn't translate into a deep goaltending situation until all parties are proven at the NHL level.

  6. habsrock99 says:

    And THIS is why Habs fans are ingnorant. Do you not see that I'm suggesting making only TWO i repeat 2 roster moves. If you are gonna talk about Komisarek not being their, i made a posting about him after I finished the article stating that i was really tired when i wrote this and simply forgot him. Those players that you mentioned in your STAY THE COURSE spiel, play significant roles in my proposed line up. If your talking about Dandy and Bouillon not being apart of my line up, i gave my reasoning, they hold no significant spot in Montreal's future plans. Their older and on todays market, the Habs can get significant returns from them. And Habs fans don't want the future, they want the Habs to win here and now and with my proposed line up, they can make a significant run at the Cup in 2 seasons, not 3 or 4 or 5 but TWO.

  7. ferron says:

       First of all Plekanec plays at center, Mrray and Begin have been playing the Left Flank all year and Higgins is actually a natural center! Second, the only prospect ready for the big club are Locke, Chipchura, Grabovski and O'Byrne, anyone else is just to young or don't fit in MTL's plan anymore! I'm an Habs fan as well but your trying to tell me that MTL is in a better position to win a cup by 2008-09 over teams like Pithsburg, Philly ect.

    ps; Bob didn't sign one of are top prospect(Juraj Mikus) this year reentered the draft and was drafted by Toronto. BOB WAKE THE F–K UP!

  8. habsrock99 says:

    ok one, i never said that the Habs had the best shot, im saying they're gonna win. As for the Pens, they aren't gonna be as good as everyone thinks. Crosby's contract is up after this year and he's gonna get 5 million easily. Malkin and Staal's contracts are up after next season, and they'll get 4-4.5 million respectively. If Esposito happens to blossom into another great player, he'll be getting money in the same range. That's almost 20 million for 4 players. On top of that, the the Pens are gonna have to give Fluery big money after this season. The so-called "Pens Dynasty" will never come to fruition because the Pens just have way too many players to sign and those players r gonna demand top dollar.

  9. OwensMonsters says:

    Ok I know Gainey has some of the best GM smarts out there today.. if he can trade Samsonov and his contract.. what are the chances of shipping out Kovalev and his? If Kovi came to play every night I wouldnt have a problem but he mails it in most nights and comments lazy plays in the defensive zone.. now is it because Kovi just doesnt care anymore or that he doesnt have a high profile player playing beside him like he did in NY with Jagr?

  10. royforgm says:

     I agree…Kovalev has to go,along with dead weights like bullion,Perezoghin….I dislike the whiney players or the ones who are just plain useless. As for goaltending,   Huet deserves a fair chance, he hasnt been given the reigns to the net yet and i beleive if they do let him play 60 games he will have a 30+ win season. Get rid of abicher or whatever his name is spelled like and give Danis the chance in the nhl. Halak was a one hit wonder  trade him now while he is worth something, trade for Gomez, We all know Martin brodud isnt as good as halak….lol.and make sure Bonk comes back.

  11. habsoverserver says:

    the nhl is packed with talent and montreal does not compare favorably.  they are competing at the bottom of the playoff pool against teams that have all-star lineups. the canes, rangers and bolts all have better forward corps and will be tough to beat out for the final playoff spot in the East. 

    i think pittsburgh has a better chance of winning the cup in 08-09, that's how long it will take the pens to build around three of the best young forwards in the NHL. 

    montreal needs to improve enough for 07-08 to make the playoffs.  losing samsonov, bonk, johnson and sourray may not make the team much worse, but certainly does not propell them to the top of their division. 

  12. RealisticNick says:

    Fact: Aubin Is A Center Not A Defenceman

    Mathieu Biron is the Defenceman and was not good enough to stick with Florida, he has a hard shot but is slow, not likely to make it and if he did make it…we are in trouble.

  13. RealisticNick says:

    Oh and Leafs depth in goaltending?  Their only good goalie prospect is Pogge and he didn't do anything too spectatular in the AHL, maybe something like win the Calder cup?

  14. habsrock99 says:

    Kovalev isn't going anywhere. Perezhogin is already gone. Halak wasn't a one hit wonder, Huet won't win 30 games. Gomez is a FA, so they don't have to trade for him. and I want Bonk back.

  15. habsrock99 says:

    FACT: the Habs site lists Aubin as a defenceman

    FACT: Leafs have Raycroft, who did set the Leafs record for wins in a season and they did aquire a goalie. Oh, what was his name…oh ya, Vesa Toskala.

  16. alex_nrv says:

    MATHIEU Aubin is a CENTER. Look up to the OFFICIAL player's site before looking the crappy Canadiens.com site. (The site sucks for updates).
    http://www.hamiltonbulldogs.com/index.php?module=rosterh&func=view

    Oh, and by the way… Canadiens.com DOES list Aubin as a CENTER… punk!
    But I like your article. Kinda NHL '06 style of things, but still not bad. D'Agostini would probably be better than Milroy. Milroy has never proven anything yet… and he's one of Hamilton's veteran. Jancevski is not a bad defenseman! Gainey brought him from DALLAS. He brought Jancevski with him when he moved from Dallas to Montreal. He's weaker than Markov, but kinda the same playing style.
    CARLE is not ready, he didn't even played a single game in the AHL! He's the latest rookie to show up in Hamilton!

    Cote's never gonna make it… he's a waste.
    BENOIT IS a heck of an offensive defenseman!

    On offense, Baines is a great leader. He's an overall good player. Locke is too small and his work ethic isn't good. Chipchura could make 3rd, but most like 4th line this year. Grabovski will probably share time on the 4th line center. Sergei Kostitsyn will only play if the team is BADLY injured. He's another latest rookie with Hamilton.

    So that's about it with the rookers!!

  17. alex_nrv says:

    D'Agostini would probably be better than Milroy. Milroy has never proven anything yet… and he's one of Hamilton's veteran. Jancevski is not a bad defenseman! Gainey brought him from DALLAS. He brought Jancevski with him when he moved from Dallas to Montreal. He's weaker than Markov, but kinda the same playing style.
    CARLE is not ready, he didn't even played a single game in the AHL! He's the latest rookie to show up in Hamilton!

    Cote's never gonna make it… he's a waste.
    BENOIT IS a heck of an offensive defenseman!

    On offense, Baines is a great leader. He's an overall good player. Locke is too small and his work ethic isn't good. Chipchura could make 3rd, but most like 4th line this year. Grabovski will probably share time on the 4th line center. Sergei Kostitsyn will only play if the team is BADLY injured. He's another latest rookie with Hamilton.

    So that's about it with the rookers!!

  18. alex_nrv says:

    Oh!
    And GROULX is another not bad offensive defenseman. Andrew Archer won't make it, just like Cote. He's gonna rot in the AHL… And O'Byrne is one good defensive defenseman, with big size and can skate better than Biron.

    As for the goalies… Yeah Price is the guy. He's gonna probably spend sparsed time in the NHL… like 15 games… in preparation for next year. Danis would be a guy to trade… he never played regularly with the habs (probably not even over 10 games) while Halak shifted him playing the end of last year's season because of an excellent season with the Bulldogs. Price will do the same this year. Halak and Danis are 2 goalies to use for trades. We have 3 nice goalie prospects, with Price being our future.

  19. habsoverserver says:

    "Since I began submitting my thoughts on the Habs on this site, i have come to realize just how ignorant Canadiens fans are."

    there is no need to begin an article by insulting all your readers.  Habs fans are very knowledgeable about hockey. 

  20. alex_nrv says:

    Finally, we won't see everyone back this next season.
    Perezhogin is not coming back (it would surprise me) since he signed with a Russian team.
    Andre Benoit signed with a Finnish team, so he won't be back (he was a big part of Hamilton's offense last year). Benoit was a former forward before being transposed to an offensive defenseman, just like Dandenault. That said, J-P Cote will play more often and Carle will also have a free spot to fill during the season. Good for the future! Too bad Fischer won't join the pros this year.
    Michael Lambert won't be back too. (Whatever…) He was some kind of gritty forward, but never reached his potential and the level of play expected from him.
    Jassen Cullimore and Tony Salmelainen, the two players we received in the Samsonov trade won't probably be back, since they've been waived.

    SO that said… we have holes here and there to fill in… So we WILL see some trades and signatures going on this summer. I expect one top 6 forward (center bigger than Koivu) and one top 2 defense (if Souray if leaving).

  21. habsrock99 says:

    ok, i will admit, ignorant is a bit harsh but i also didn't mean it in the way you believe i did. I actually meant it as a sort of compliment because in a way, it reflects just how big a part the Habs play in ther fans lives. Probably a better word i could have used is stubborn. but u get my point?

  22. habsoverserver says:

    i get your point – maybe overly critical or impatient would be more in the spirit of what you meant – although, they are becoming more patient as they wait an unprecedented number of years for the next cup. 

  23. MtlHabs09 says:

    Re: Habs and ther fans (Score: 1)
    by ferron on Monday, June 25 @ 16:35:55 CDT

    "ps; Bob didn't sign one of are top prospect(Juraj Mikus) this year reentered the draft and was drafted by Toronto. BOB WAKE THE F–K UP!"

    Are you mentally retarded??????? Juraj Mikus of MONTREAL IS A FORWARD. THE JURAJ MIKUS TORONTO DRAFTED IS A DEFENCEMAN YOU BLOODY MORON. Know what the hell you're talking about before you write something down for other people to see. Bloody retard, there is no other way to describe the god damned retardation that your mind has undergone. People tend to have the same name retard. John Madden, Paul Martin, Jim Carey…Moron, come on.

  24. RealisticNick says:

    FACT: AUBIN IS A CENTER RETARD quit trying to debate the obvious, are you even a habs fan?  He was drafted as a center, he played in the QMJHL, ECHL and AHL as a center.

    As for Leafs goaltending depth, when considering depth you have to look at more than 2 goalies.  You consider two goalies and a prospect deep?  Practically all NHL teams have two goalies that can play at the NHL level and at least one decent prospect.  When you have depth at a position in the organization you are able to trade from the posistion and still have plenty left over.  If the Leafs kept Rask it would be possible to consisder that, but they traded away that depth, now its hit or miss, nothing to fall back on.

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