Harder to break up the Flyers now

IN LATE MARCH, Paul Holmgren answered a question about the Flyers’ disappointing season by saying, “There are certain guys on this team that are going to be back here next year. And there are certain guys who aren’t.”

Asked if he had a “pretty good idea of what you would do,” the Flyers’ general manager hesitated not a lick and said, “Most of it, yeah.”

Most of us made our lists from there, and most of us had the same names on the wish-not list. Braydon Coburn would not be back if they could get anything for him. Danny Briere and his big contract would be tough to move, but if you could . . .

Scott Hartnell
? He was soooo gone.

They needed a goalie. Again.

There even were discussions about moving Simon Gagne , and discussions about his resiliency or lack of it.

The Flyers needed to be tougher, swifter, hungrier, more mature. That was the consensus. They needed to be one of those teams that seemed to appear perennially at this time of the year in places like Detroit, Buffalo and North Jersey, as well as random spots in the south.

And now?

“When you’re winning, everyone looks good,” Hartnell was saying after practice yesterday. “When you’re losing, everyone looks terrible and not at their best.”

Said Briere : “Winning changes everything. This business is all about winning. You win, it changes people’s mind-set.”

Why, yes it does. Now the Flyers are gritty, determined, an unselfish bunch who block shots with their orbital bones; break, then skate on broken feet; make pretty plays around the other team’s net or blast slap shots over the goaltender’s shoulder. And their goalie, whoever he is that night, is far more often the reason they have won a close game than he is the reason they lost.

That is this month’s consensus. Or at least this week’s.

When Holmgren is asked about the upcoming offseason now, there is less certainty in his voice, much talk of “continuing to evaluate” a team that has realized Briere’s preplayoff prophecy that it was “built for the playoffs.”

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17 Responses to Harder to break up the Flyers now

  1. leafit2me says:
    For consideration

    To PHI: Price, 

    To MTL: Boucher, Coburn, 2nd rounder
    To TBL: 1st rounder (MTL), 2nd rounder (PHI), Gomez, Weber & Palushaj
    To MTL: Lecavalier
    I dont know if TBL makes this trade but it would be something to consider. There is not much difference in the cap hit between Vinny and Scott but there is hugh difference in term. Also Gomez's salary dips significantly starting in 2012. I think that might give new owner Adam Vinik something to think about.
  2. albertateams says:

    I know Montreal wants Vinny but I think that is too much. Vinny's contract is top 3 worst in the league. Gomez's contract is bad but it only has 4 years left on it not 10.

    The 10 worst contracts (in no particular order) are:

    Lecavalier – 10 years 7.727 is just terrible, he can still play but for how much longer and will his production return. Its such a huge gamble for any team to take on this contract,

    Gomez – 4 years 7.357 million, plays soft and has numbers for a guy that should be making 3.5-4 million

    Campbell – 6 years 7.14, he still plays a solid game but his salary could kill a great young team like Chicago.

    Drury – 2 years 7.05 million, term is the only thing not making this the worst contract in the league.

    Redden – 4 years 6.5 mllion, a shadow of the player that was in Ottawa and declining year over year.

    Elias – 3 years 5 million for a guy clearly on the down side of a solid NHL career.

    Horcoff – 5 years 5.5 million for a guy that had 36 points and was minus 29, awful just awful contract.

    Thomas – 3 years 5 million for a back up. Its not so much that it is a horrible contract that it is a horrible contract given Rask is there plus hes 36 years old.

    Komisarek – 4.5 for another 4 years, if he gets healthy and can return to being a decent shut down defenseman then it might be OK but still a lot of money for a guy like him.

    DiPietro – 10+ years left at 4.5 for a guy that has played 8 and 5 games the past 2 years.

    Honorable mention : Langkow, Malone, Havlat, Rozsival, Huet

    There are other bad contracts out there with shorter terms (Kovalev, Hamerlik, Souray, Finger), or players that have had only one or two bad years and could easily bounce back to earn thier money (Phaneuf, Jay-bo).

  3. number15 says:

    you know thats not too bad for Tampa…… Gomez is paid alot but for much less years and less long term. This would allow them to lock up Stamkos now and Hedman in a couple of seasons.

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    Makes no sense for Montreal….. yeh Lacavalier would sell alot of jersys and tickets at first but he is WAY overpaid. it would handcuff the Habs for a while.

    why would they trade for him?…… cause he is French?….. thats stupid!

    if im Montreal, id do Lacavalier for Gomez straight up…. but thats it. Tampa will be very thankful, trust me

  4. number15 says:

          I was hoping they dump Scott Hartnell for cheap and he lands in Toronto. Thats not happening now.

    They should make a pitch for Tim Thomas and id bet they'd get him cause, Boston needs to get rid of him…… or make an offer to Carey Price and i bet Montreal dosent match a decent offer, since they will sign Halak now….. oh, and theres Tomas Vokoun, he'd be my first choice as a FA.

  5. reinjosh says:

    I really can't see Philly going after a goaltender other than in free agency or maybe a cheap young backup like Harding. They are finally proving why they don't need a number 1 goalie. They are stacked defensively.

    They will either get Ellis or Mason (or resign Emery) to play with Leighton. Maybe they trade for Harding to just grow with the team and only him because it would be cheap.

    They have no need for a goaltender.

  6. pezzz123 says:

    How is Patrick Elias a bad contract? This guy is magic. I think you meant Brian Rolston.

    Lnagkow's contract is up in 2 years, and 4.5, while too much, is not the end of the world. It's not a good contract (far from it), but it's not a top 10 bad.
    I wonder how Havlat at 5 million per year is a bad contract.

    Malone? 4.5 is the price for a 25+ goals, 50+ points player who's playing gritty hockey. It's heavy, but not that bad.

    You can add Lubomir Visnovsky, Ron Hainsey, Andrew Ference, Tomas Vanek, Jason Pominville, Matt Stajan, Mike Commodore, Mike Cammalleri, Brian Gionta, David Legwand, Martin Erat and Dainius Zubrus to the list.

  7. BlueOrangeWhite says:

    ALLOW THIS POST TO BE A LESSON TO EVERYONE WHO READ THIS FORUM. THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE LEVEL OF HOCKEY KNOWLEDGE AND UNDERSTANDING A FORMER JR.A GOALTENDER LIKE ME HAS, VS. THE REST OF YOU. ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO SPOTTING GOALTENDING ABILITY. WANT PROOF?  

    IN FEBRUARY IS POSTED THE COMMENT PASTED IN BELOW (NOTE THE TIME/DATE STAMP LISTED ON THE POST). AFTER DOING SO, I GOT LOADS OF HATE MAIL AND BACK AND FORTH ARGUING FROM YOU KNOW NOTHINGS, THAT I AM DELUSIONAL, THAT LEIGHTON IS A JOURNEYMAN, CAREER MINOR LEAGUE GOALIE, ETC, ETC.

    IN THE END, WHO WAS RIGHT, ME, OR YOU? SEE THE POST PASTED IN BELOW FROM FEBRUARY, AND UNDERSTAND THAT I WAS THE FIRST TO SPOT THIS BECAUSE I WAS A HIGH LEVEL GOALIE AND YOU WEREN'T:
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    Re: Flyers' Emery might need hip surgery (Score: 1)
    by BlueOrangeWhite on Tuesday, February 09
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    LEIGHTON IS AN EMERGING STAR GOALIE!

    Leighton can be their goaltender for a long as Hextall was!

    They would be fools to trade as opposed to just going with him. He was a sleeper, that they STOLE from Carolina. Laviolette knows that. That is why he made sure they got him!

    As a former Jr.A goalie, I can spot this stuff. Why is it that only goalies seem to know how to spot elite goalies! Emery is NOT of the Leightons caliber!

  8. albertateams says:

    Yeah your write it should be Rolston not Elias I don't know why I got those two mixed up.

    Langkow's wasn't top ten it is a bad contract though its way worse than stajans. Havalat is hurt why too much. Malone is big time overatted look at the centers he has played with, there are a lot of players that can pot 20-25 playing with those guys.
    I don't mind Erat, Cammalleri, gionta legwand's. The others aren't good I agree.
  9. leafit2me says:

    Regarding the comment that MTL signing Lecavalier because he French Canadian is stupid, I just want to qualify my statement.

    The Lightening franchise is a mess, at least till Vinik stepped in. In fact both Florida franchises are in tatters as far as their hockey operations are concerned. TBL had the original 3-headed monster in Lecavalier-St Louis-Richards. Add to that Boyle & Kubina on the blueline, & Khabibulin in net. 5 seasons removed from then, they only have 2 of those players still with the team (while adding Stamkos, Hedman, & Malone). How many head coaches have they changed in that time? How about the ownership drama they had right upto this spring?
    A professional athlete has a very limited shelf life, especially the time when he is considered to be truly elite like Lecavalier is. Ever hear a common phrase "Win now coz you don't know when you will be back here again"? If you were a 24 yr old marquee forward who had just won the Cup [and looking to repeat] but had to sit out a year because of a lockout and then came back only to see 50% of you top flight talent traded or lost to free agency, then had to deal with all the bench and front office uncertainty….how long would you last before you just got completely disgusted with the situation to the point you just hated coming into work everyday? And we haven't even talked about the off-season wrist surgery he had which probably didn't rehab properly. 
    Now to get to the point. There is a reason that MTL's roaster has always sizable chunk of french-canadian talent. The philosophy is that the player will always give that much more, play that much harder when he is playing in his hometown….in front of his friends and family. It has as much to do with pride as it does with winning with the team you grew up watching.
    Notice BB is doing the same thing with the Leafs in acquiring young prospects like Irwin, Caputi, Kadri, Mitchell & Blacker. It will continue to be a factor this off-season when he targets players like Neal, Sharp, Staal & Bolland (not saying he is going to land any)
    Lecavalier is only 30 yrs old and, as such, is still very much in his prime. He has talent that does not just disappear overnight. Heck just last September he was a definite on Team Canada's Olympic roaster and no one had a problem then. As far as his cap hit is concerned, its a few pennies more that what MTL is paying for Gomez right now so really how badly are they handcuffed. As far as the term is concerned, I do see your point. Lecavalier is on for 10 more yrs compared to Gomez's 4. But if there is a team that can afford a Lecavalier contract it would have to be a big market team. The Hab's are top 5 in annual revenue in the league so if they cant afford it then not many other can and that just highlights the reason why a small market team like TBL will do almost anything to move him. Mind you, they wont trade him straight up for Gomez though.
  10. hockeyhead says:

    your cookie is in the mail.

  11. broc says:

    Congratulations, you're an idiot.

  12. JoelJoel says:

    lol… I bet you have a lot of friends.

  13. bodangles87 says:

    tier 2 jr a? loser

  14. hockeyhead says:

    how come leighton has been bounced around so much and cut?

    even matthew barnaby who played with leighton didnt think he would do anything.

    and he really hasnt.  steve penney won a bunch of playoff games to.

    do you know who he is?  how he ended up?

    comparing leghton with hextall is rediculous.

    why dont you compare him with bernie parent and pelle lindberg while your at it.

  15. leafy says:

    Well I would say well done in spotting Leighton, but I would hold off the comparisons to other established goalies that had long term success.

    History is full of flash in the pan goalies.

    Still, you gotta tell me if Jonas Gustavsson is the real deal for the Leafs.

  16. BlueOrangeWhite says:

    ATTN: "HockeyEMPTYHead"

    Leighton is no Steve Penney (I am older than you and was AT the Penney games in the 80's!

    Leighton is no PLAYOFF flash in the pan. Mid  season he was ENTIRELY responsible for the Flyers resurgence, and would have  been the starter going INTO the playoffs, had he not gotten hurt, and lost the job thru injury.

    Barnaby was not a goalie. Only goalies can spot great goalies. So I CAN, and you CANNOT!

    Re: comparisons, here you go:

    Leighton is BETTER than Lindbergh (who barely played in the NHL before dying). I saw him play LIVE IN PERSON. You did not. Overrated goalie.

    He's as good and probably better overall than Hextall.

    He's NOT as good as Parent.

    Period. I HAVE SPOKEN.

  17. BlueOrangeWhite says:

    Jonas G. is not.

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