Comments on: Heatley, Zherdev, Kessel; which team is not done yet in the off-season?

By: trueblue

trueblue — Sun, 02 Aug 2009 16:07:33 +0000

i like the LA deal better than the Edmonton deal as well

By: muckies

muckies — Sun, 02 Aug 2009 09:08:32 +0000

I'm hoping they get something, I think Marleau is a great fit, but i don;t want Penner or Smid on my team, i think they're floaters.

OTT - Cogliano, Svenssson Pajaarvii

By: reinjosh

reinjosh — Sun, 02 Aug 2009 06:40:05 +0000

ok fair enough
i can see your point
though i will completely agree with you on the Murray accepting the offer
i was very surprised
he must have seen something were not because i would have expected better offers
its just not the type of package i would want for a 50 goal scorer
especially seeing what pronger got

By: avsjoendryan

avsjoendryan — Sun, 02 Aug 2009 01:11:36 +0000

You know what, I am and Edmonton boy, and there is going to be a bias, no doubt!

But I am a die hard avs fan, I know strange but I have been since I was about 7.

I'm starting to agree with you a little more, but here's why.

I think frolov and Cogs are pretty even with what they bring to the table. But no, Forlov wouldnt be on the first line in Edmonton. And KOPITAR is WAYYYYYYYYY better then Horcs will ever be.

JJ and Smid, which i agree with you, neither in which are very good, both might be promising and liked by every team, but there not big producers, and i get that.

Schenn vs. Penner. Im not gonna lie this is pretty much sealed and dealed that schenn wins, buttt the thing is Ott wants a guy who is going to step in and produce, at least penner has put up number in the NHL, not saying schenn wont but there is a since of gurantee, to a certain extent.

To be honest, im suprised that murray even accepted Edmonton, but he is the GM and he must see something we don't.

About Penner not producing, not many people understand this, or know but MACT HATED dustin and wanted him to suck all, hence played him with guys like stortini and brodziak, when this kid could be scoring goals.

Theres a bias no doubt, but like me you gotta think the other way, which i just did about the L.A deal.

Fursure not putting either out of perspective, i mean you get what you get.

By: reinjosh

reinjosh — Sat, 01 Aug 2009 23:51:06 +0000

sorry
i meant a top 3 forward for that package

By: reinjosh

reinjosh — Sat, 01 Aug 2009 23:50:42 +0000

if Edmonton gets a top 3 player for that package, they made a huge steal.

By: reinjosh

reinjosh — Sat, 01 Aug 2009 23:47:11 +0000

your an edmonton boy
you are going to and have obvious bias
frolov is better than cogs hands down. no contest. cogs cant even make your first line where frolov could if he was put on that team. Kopitar is about the same skill level as Horcoff (a little bit more) and with cogliano already been given the chance to succeed on the top line and failed that anyone would take frolov over him. Yes frolov may be younger, but for a team like Ottawa that needs players who are entering their primes (with a core of Alfreddson, Spezza, Kuba) because they need to win soon, they cant wait for players to reach supposed talent levels. Frolov is better now and knows what it takes to play on the top line. He can supply Ottawa with a dangerous secondary scorer behind Spezza, Kovalev and Alfreddson. Cogs cant. Keep in mind he only scored 38 points. Not the type of plater you want on your second line. Frolov is clearly better.
Smid and Johnson. Truthfully id rather have neither. im not a big fan of either. Ill give you a wash between the two. I also love the fact that you mention that Smid has now been traded once and been mentioned to be on the move to get Heatley. Obviously he isnt that important or that great a dman, otherwise he wouldnt have been included in this deal. The fact that you say every GM wants him is laughable.
schenn would clearly be better than penner. He is overpaid and overweight and give me a break. he was given the chance to suceed and again he didnt. He will never put up 60 or 70 points. Hes just not good enough or driven enough. Schenn over Penner any day of the week. He brings so much more to the table even though he is a prospect. The most important of that is the fact he could do what penner does (at the very, very least) for less than quarter of the price.
Wake up and smell the coffee bud. Your edmonton bias is bad and the LA deal was much better. Frolov is better than Cogliano. Schenn is more attractive than Penner. And Johnson and Smid are both players that are risks.
I dont believe that this deal actually was offered as I havent heard it mentioned in any capacity on most mainstream sources but if it was Brian Murray is an idiot. And so are you if you are so dilusional to think your offer is better.
I wouldnt even consider that deal for heatley. I would want Cogliano, Gilbert and one of your 2010 first rounder, Eberle or Paarjavi-Svennson for Heatley, were i Ottawa's GM.

By: JannettyTheRocker

JannettyTheRocker — Sat, 01 Aug 2009 20:21:53 +0000

I've got this feeling that we're going to see a 3-way trade between Ottawa, San Jose, and Edmonton in the near future. IMO, it just makes sense. I could see something like this :

To San Jose : Dany Heatley

To Ottawa : Andrew Cogliano, Dustin Penner, and Ladislav Smid

To Edmonton : Patrick Marleau

I know I'm gonna have some of you crap on my trade prediction, but whatever. I think it makes a lot of sense....There may be other components to this this trade (draft picks, prospects, roster players, etc), but it'll be something like this. Any thoughts?

By: avsjoendryan

avsjoendryan — Sat, 01 Aug 2009 18:36:24 +0000

OH forsure, i mean he's just one of the few 50 goal scorers in the game, there not to hard to come by on a regular basis, eh?
LIKE GIVE ME A FRICKIN BREAK, i'm not even a sens fan, but ill sit here all day and agree with you, i mean its DANY FU**IN HEATLEY, he's GREAT and no fan really gives a shit, all you want is to win, if he stays, i think the fans will be even happier with him, due to the fact they know it wouldnt be easy, like shit, i hope he stays in Ott, cuz i dont wanna see him 6 times a year.

By: avsjoendryan

avsjoendryan — Sat, 01 Aug 2009 18:31:18 +0000

First of all not even close, I'm an Edmonton boy and go to 41 out of 41 games every years.

Smid is hockey player, most team's in the NHL want, you want a guy who is willing to push and stay back, a guy who has a powerful shot and knows how to use it.

JJ is a complete flop, a guy who was considering going to play in russia "because his dad thought it was good for him" are you serious, just cuz he want's cash doesen't mean it's good for his career, in fact it's terrible considering hes already been traded, due to him being selfish.

Smid does what he's told and does it well, neither are going to be putting up 50 points, but Smid brings more to the table, and isn' such a risk, sure he's gotten into bar fights, but he has kicked the linving shit out of the others (true stroy), JJ would get his lawyer and DAD to come settle things.

Cogs is better then Frolov and he doesn't play with kopitar and and now smyth.

He is younger and has the same potential level, and good second liner, frolov doesen't crack the first line on most teams.

Penner and Schenn, maybe Schenn has more potential, but if Pens can lose some weight, get a little faster, and get thrown onto the first line in Ott, he will be putting up 65-70 points, as i said he got 19 goals last season playing 4th line Mins.

There is a reason why Murray didnt accept the kings, but did with the Oilers. THINK ABOUT IT