Hemsky: “He most definitely will be traded at the deadline.”

MacLean suggested Hemsky will pull in less than Dustin Penner did last season, though he failed to identify the main reason for that — Penner wasn’t just a rental, but still had another season left on his contract, while Hemsky is rental, a UFA on July 1. “I don’t see teams paying a big price,” MacLean said. He may well be right about that, though Kypreos was more positive. “There’s a lot of teams right now looking for a top six forward and he certainly fits the bill,” the real Kyper said.
Kypreos identified Pittsburgh, Chicago and Detroit as possible destinations, while MacLean identified Ottawa, Washington, Vancouver, Detroit, and San Jose. My take? Hemsky certainly didn’t help his cause for staying in Edmonton with his play against the St. Louis Blues. He helped create not one chance at even strength, while making mistakes on three against. But I’m with Kypreos on Hemsky: he’s a good enough player to be a top six winger on a team with Stanley Cup aspirations. http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2012/01/19/former-nhl-gm-on-hemsky-i-would-say-he-most-definitely-will-be-traded-at-the-deadline/

30 Responses to Hemsky: “He most definitely will be traded at the deadline.”

  1. reinjosh says:

    Did anyone really think they were for real at the start of the year? 

    Anyways, I digress. This team is still bad. They need a stud dman and they need a stud goalie. The offense is pretty set with RNH, Eberle, Hall running it (really the rest of the pieces after that can be easily put in). So they need, to need, to need to grab one of Dumba or Murray this year. They can not grab Yakupov or Grigorenko. I honestly don't care if they finish first this year. They don't need Yakupov. Best bet would be to finish 3rd last so the choice will be out of that idiots hand and Tambo won't make the mistake of choosing one of them. I feel like I'm not going to have many supporters on this but drafting one of the top 3 offensive guys will be a mistake (well maybe not, but they really really really need a stud dman). 
  2. dumbassdoorman says:

    I think they would actually be best off getting the top pick, those to ruskies are pretty coveted, so i am sure they would get a kings ransom trading the pick. More than one way to skin a cat, right?

  3. albertateams says:

    I agree they really do need a top young d-man. But if they have a top 2 pick, IMO they still need to take Yakupov, or Grigorenko. If they can get another mid to late round pick (from a Hemsky + trade) they could grab a lesser d man at the draft and hope that one of there existing prospects (Klefbom, Musil, Maricin) develops into a #1.

    If they did have the top 2 pick would they consider moving down to 4-5 and grab some additional assets?

    They also have the option of gettting a player like Suter as a FA (doubtful but you never know). Or putting together a ridiculous offer for a top guy. They have so much depth in their prospect pool that they could make it very difficult for a team to turn down an offer.

    Guys like Gormley, Ekman-Larsson, Gudbranson, or Hamilton could be targets as prospects. They would cost a ton to pry away from their existing teams, but the Oilers could start with Gagner, MPS and just keep adding until a team was interested.

    If the Oilers some how don't finish with a top 2-3 pick then they take Murray or Dumba for sure though.

  4. TheLeafNation91 says:

    I think the only one you can get is Gormley.

    And knowing Phoenix, they would want a "guaranteed" top-six forward for him.

    I don't think Gagner and MPS would get you that as MPS has been garbage.

  5. albertateams says:

    I think your missing my point. Any of those guys are available for the right deal its just a question of the pieces that would be needed to complete it. It might take an overpayment but that's my point, the Oilers have enough assets that if they want to overpay for that big d prospect they could.

    As for Gormley what has he done to garner more than an established 2nd line center that's 22, and a top rated prospect that's 10 months older than him that hasn't broken out in the NHL yet. MPS has just as much upside as Gormley does its just neither has shown it at the NHL level. So I don't think you can call MPS "garbage" at this point. 

  6. TheLeafNation91 says:

    What did Turris do? Yet, he was able to be traded for a very good prospect in Rundblad and a second?

  7. reinjosh says:

    If anything, Maloney set the market for a high draft pick that's made the NHL but has struggled because he hasn't been given proper development time.

    MPS is almost a dead ringer for the Turris situation. If Turris equals Rundblad and a 2nd, MPS almost assuredly equals Gormley straight up. Especially since Phoneix sort of has a need for offense…
  8. reinjosh says:

    Fair points. I suppose trade is possible. They do have the assets. The biggest thing I see holding this team back though is offense and I think the easiest way to fix that is by drafting a Dumba player right now rather than hoping to be able to trade for it. 

  9. Boston_Bruins says:

    I agree. I mean Yakupov or Grigorenko wouldn't hurt, but they really do need a stud on the backend. If they do finish first, what I'm thinking is that they look at other teams near the bottom and flip their first for some other young stud d-man and get the other team's top pick out of it too. It would take some work and more from the Oiler's end but they could potentially end up with a proven (or at least somewhat proven) young blueliner plus a guy like Dumba or Murray.

    Looking at the teams that look like they'll finish near the bottom, we have:
    Columbus: Oh, Columbus…
    Anaheim: Fowler
    Carolina: Faulk
    Tampa: Hedman
    Montreal: Subban
    Islanders: Hamonic
    Sabres: Myers
    Some would obviously take more than others, but it's worth exploring.
  10. TheLeafNation91 says:

    Except MPS has shown basically nothing at the pro-level?

    Not saying he will be a bust, but you don't trade a very good prospect for a prospect that has not shown really anyhting.

  11. albertateams says:

    If anything the Turris trade is a reason why Gagner and MPS is fair value for Gormley. I fail to see how:

    Turris = Runblad and 2nd


    MPS and Gagner < Gormley

  12. albertateams says:

    But Gormley hasn't shown anything at the NHL level either. Their ages are separated by 10 months, so they are both very good prospects. So you are penalizing MPS because the Oilers played him at the NHL level too early??

  13. albertateams says:

    Would be nice to get either Dumba or Murray. The only thing that worries me about those two developing into a #1 defensemen is both are on the small side.

  14. albertateams says:

    If the Oilers could make a deal that landed a young guy, like above, plus a top 10 pick they'd almost have to take it, even if they had to add another piece or two.

  15. Steven_Leafs says:

    Ottawa over-payed for Turris though. Even though most would agree that this trade will (or already has) work out for Ottawa, they still had to overpay. Plus remember that Turris wanted to be gone.

    Phoenix on the other hand has absolutely no reason to move Gormley. He is a point-per-game defenseman in the QMJHL, has unbelievable upside, and arguing that Gormley hasn't panned out yet as an NHL defenseman is just stupid considering his age and the fact that he hasn't been called up yet. Remember that not all players develop at the same pace, some GMs prefer to have their prospects develop properly with juniors and the AHL, and defense usually take more time to develop than forwards.

    Anyway I do think that is Edmonton offered Phoenix Gagner & MPS for Gormley they would accept the deal no problem, in fact I wouldn't do that deal if I were Edmonton but you still can't use a special cir*****stance like the Turris deal base what other players are worth in a trade.

    Example: Lombardi & Franson for Lebda & Slaney (Lebda was then bought out)

    No GM will site this trade as a benchmark for their trade offer because they know this was a very rare case that may never happen again. Maybe too extreme of an example but you get the point.

  16. TheLeafNation91 says:

    No, but usually when you rush some forwards, they never really pan out or if so, are not what they could have been.

    If this was some other teams, including Toronto, I would do it. But Phoenix will be very stingy because they have tons of great defencemen and not really any good forwards. So I believe they'll be more picky for the return they get back.

  17. TheLeafNation91 says:

    Nashville only made that deal because they wanted to dump Lombardi and the Leafs were the only team in the league that could have made that trade.

    I just don't think MPS is worth it for Phoenix, they need forwards badly, they would want something decent as a return.

  18. Steven_Leafs says:

    no kidding they would have to take it. Assuming Edmonton will not trade their 2012 1st, Hall, RNH, Eberle, and Dubnyk there is absolutely no way Edmonton is going to be able to get a top 10 pick AND a player listed above (I don't think that they will be able to get a top 10 pick alone in a deal with Hemsky). If Edmonton is offered any OK prospect and a 1st round pick in 2012 they will take it, no matter who the prospect is or whoever the team is they are trading with.

  19. Steven_Leafs says:

    I would definitely value Gormley over MPS at this point but if Edmonton is also offering Gagner, Phoenix would be dumb not to take it.

    Imagine a Kadri for B.Schenn deal where one of the GMs included a 1st round pick. The other GM would take it in a second even if they greatly prefer their player since the extra 1st is just too valuable not to do the deal.

  20. albertateams says:

    I agree that Ottawa overpaid for Turris regardless of how it turns out. I've said that from the start.

    I wasn't arguing that Gormley hasn't panned out in the NHL he hasn't even got a shot yet.  I was merely stating that saying MPS is garbage is unfair just because he has been rushed to the NHL by the Oilers. He has every bit as much upside as Gormley.

    The Turris trade was just an example, of course anyone with a brain knows that there were special cir*****stances same with your example above. Its merely a vague comparison of value.

  21. albertateams says:

    We were talking about trading the Oilers 2012 1st rounder if it was 1st or 2nd (Yakupov or Grigorenko) + for one of those young d men and a top 10 pick in 2012.

    Wasn't talking about Hemsky at all. I really doubt Hemsky gets the Oilers much at all. Maybe a late first.

  22. TheLeafNation91 says:

    I would say Schenn's value is far superior to Kadri…So it would be Toronto, and most likely, a lottery pick.

  23. albertateams says:

    I agree that it was a mistake to have MPS in the NHL this early.

    I think that Phoenix with there defensive prospect depth (Gormley, Rundblad, Murphy, OEL) plus Yandle, Schlemko who are under 25, should deal some one for forward depth. I doubt they would get a much better offer than Gagner and MPS for Gormley.

  24. reinjosh says:

    Just as Turris had outside of only 4 games…

  25. Steven_Leafs says:

    oh right my bad, if it is the first overall then maybe I could see some of those trades working out, probably not going to happen for the 2nd overall though, I cannot see Grigorenko being worth Myers and Murray/Dumba.

  26. albertateams says:

    How bad is the Oilers management?

    Tell me why the hell Taylor Hall is playing tonight. I'm all for players being tough and playing through injuries, but come on. A nothing game for the Oil and they put a guy in that just got 30 stitches in his head on Tuesday and was very close to losing an eye. This is a brain dead move by the organization. 
  27. Steven_Leafs says:

    I can understand why he is playing. Personally I would scratch him but how long would you keep him out? Do you wait until the stitches are out; that can take weeks, do you bench him for that long? If not, then there is no real reason why Hall cannot play tonight.

    I mean they should use the injury as an excuse to keep Hall out for the next week or more since they are not going to make the playoffs anyway. Improve that pick.

  28. reinjosh says:

    While I agree with you, I don't think this move signals it that much. 

    It was only a cut. It wasn't life threatening and it didn't look like it did much damage outside of just putting a massive cut on a face (which is really shitty for the guy). If figure if they are playing him its because the stitches pose no future threat to his health. 
  29. albertateams says:

    There's just no point. He could rip stitches and that eye doesn't look like its any where close to 100%. A needless risk. I get he wants to play but when its the future face of your franchise, I really think it shows extremely poor judgement.

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