Hockeysfuture still a year behind

Popular prospect magazine Hockeysfuture shows leafs nation less credit, but is it justified?The Leafs are ranked 25th. Just ahead of the Senators, who’s best prospect is Josh Hennessey. The 22 year old played 10 games with the sens recording one assist. He’s ranked 7.0B

Just ahead of the leafs are the pens, whose best prospect is a 7.5B (letang).

Now, I think, just statisticly, if the leafs have an 8.0C(pogge) and an 8.0B(Tlusty), why are we ranked around Pittsburgh and Ottawa??? And the 7th ranked Wild have only one player to crack 8(Harding)???

A magazine that just a year ago, said all the leafs have is depth, is now saying we have NONE.

I looked into it, and have come up with an answer. Hockeysfuture is a year behind.

I can only talk about Leaf Prospects, butTlusty and Pogge are future 1st line/ starting goaltender type players. Kulemin scores 27 goals in 54 games in RSL, where scoring is rare, a year after Malkin scores 21 goals. And he’s ranked 7.0C. Jeremy Williams has 2 goals in 2 NHL games, and he’s ranked 6.5C. Brent Aubin scores nearly a goal and an assist per game in the QMJHA, and he gets 7.0D. Anton Stralman is an interesting story. In his talent analysis, Hockeysfuture wonders if he has enough size and strength to play in the sweedish Elite League. Apparently thats more important than the fact that he led that very League in ice time last season. He’s ranked 6.5D.

Now, if this magazine is wrong about the Leafs, the team with the most advertized prospects, I can only imagine the mistakes they’ve made on other teams.

44 Responses to Hockeysfuture still a year behind

  1. Hoondog2 says:

    Agreed, I do not find to be very accurate on the Leaf prospects, going by what i've heard and read about some of our up and comers.  Kulemin, and Stralman are just 2 of the players quickly climbing up the depth charts over the last year, and that has not really been recognized.  Pogge had a decent second half on the farm, Williams and Earl are just about NHL ready, and Tlusty will be an all-star.  I guess time will tell whether we're just optimistic, or is crap.

  2. rollinfatty says:

    I sort of agree with you except that I do not believe that the leafs have great prospects. Stralman is not expected to be a top dman in this league and by my memory i think they rate a 7.0 player as a second line player right? I don't see jeremy williams as anything better than that…he's no franchise player. Kulemin I will agree with you that they are behind…I'd rate him like an 8.0c. like a potential first liner who could end up being a third liner or something. really i don't feel the leafs have any outstanding prospects in the system and should not be thought of as if they did. that being said i think they should at least crack the top 20.

  3. mojo19 says:

    I stopped visiting their website a long time ago.

  4. Glucker says:

    actually stralman is being compared to Lidstrom, and Forsberg in the way he can control a game, he was considered one of the top 3 players on team Sweden(a damn good team) and first in the Swedish elite league for ice time… cant wait to see him paired up with Kaberle 😀

  5. Glucker says:

    Agreed, Montreal is ranked 2nd and the only prospect they have that i think will land a big nhl contract, ever, is Price, the others will be put on the back burner IMO

    we have Tlusty, who was a kid holding his own against experienced players in europe,
    Kulemin who scored more then Malkin or Ovechkin
    Stralman who was one of the best Swedish defensemen this year
    Williams, who has had a goal in every game hes played:P
    and Pogge who shows great potential

    we also got Earl & Aubin who might make it… but probably wont be that great, have potential to be great, but lack what it takes to leave the minors imo… even though im really rooting for Aubin XD

  6. Sedin23 says:

    You guys are just being stupid now. They have Pogge, and Tlusty, and a few other third liners. Nothing after that. You think because they have two better top 2 prospects then a few teams it doesn't mean your whole sytem is. The Canuck's only have no player who will be a real star, but have many solid 1st liners, and great #2 d man. Edler, Rahimi, Bourdon, Koltsov will be  deadly top 4, plus we already have Salo, Ohlund, Mitchell, and Bieksa. Grabner and Hansen will be 60-80 point guys, but just not all stars. Get over it. You guys only have two stars, nd nothing after that. They still think you have depth, but anyone can sign a depth guy.

  7. LeafyMcLeaf says:

    I don't read hockeys future, I go there to find the prospect list, and read their names, look them up other places.

  8. LeafyMcLeaf says:

    Stralman was drafted further in the draft than Lidstrom, who had 4 goals, 23 points in 38 games in the Swedish Elite league at 21. This year, at 21, Anton Stralman had 10 goals and 21 points. Better goal scoring than Lidstrom at this point of his career, he's been to the World Championships, and I've heard him be compared to Nik. I'm not saying he'll be the hall of fame caliber guy that Lidstrom is, but the kid has potential.

  9. BLUE_AND_WHITE says:

    My issue wasnt as much with the rankings as the analysis and the TEAM rankings.

  10. BLUE_AND_WHITE says:

    Those guys will be what you say, if they reach their max potential. Stralmans MAX potential is surely not a 6th defenseman.

  11. BLUE_AND_WHITE says:

    Another team i have an issue with is the Pnthers. They are loaded with talented youngsters, should be top 5, but are 23rd???

  12. BLUE_AND_WHITE says:

    also, hennesey is rated better than williams, which looking at NHL, AHL, Junoir stats, is absurd

  13. Glucker says:

    just an idea for a trade…

    To Sharks: McCabe/Kubina   2007 1,2,3
    To Leafs: Marleau  2007 1 or 2 and 5

    Sharks get a real bona-fide number 1 offensive defenseman and move up in the draft, plus get some later picks

    Leafs get a good winger and shed some salary that will go towards resigning  Sundin and Peca, and possibly adding Blake, Roberts, dare i say Smyth? and maybe a real goalie

  14. lukeleim says:

    I don't think that could even work… San Jose would probably go over the cap

  15. lukeleim says:

    Jiri Tlusty, John Pohl, Hal Gill and Robbie Earl for Patrick Marleau

  16. lukeleim says:

    Trade Hal Gill to the Pittsburgh Penguins for Tyler Kennedy

    Trade Pavel Kubina, John Pohl, Jiri Tlusty, Ben Ondrus and Robbie Earl to the San Jose Sharks for Evgeni Nabokov and Patrick Marleau

    Sign Ladislav Nagy 3.5 million, Scott Hartnell 2 million, Scott Hannan 3.8 million

    Let Travis Green, Yanic Perreault, Jean-Sebastien Aubin, Bates Battaglia, and Jeff O'Neill test UFA

    Ladislav Nagy – Patrick Marleau – Scott Hartnell
    Alexei Ponikarovsky – Mats Sundin – Nik Antropov
    Chad Kilger – Kyle Wellwood – Darcy Tucker
    Alexander Steen – Matt Stajan – Boyd Devereaux
    Kris Newbury – Jeremy Williams – Wade Belak
    Prospects: Brent Aubin, Nikolai Kulemin, Tyler Kennedy 

    Tomas Kaberle – Bryan McCabe
    Scott Hannan – Ian White
    Carlo Colaiacovo – Andy Wozniewski
    Anton Stralman – Karel Pilar
    Jay Harrison – Staffan Kronwall
    Prospects: Dimitri Vorobiev, Phil Oreskovic

    Evgeni Nabokov
    Andrew Raycroft
    Justin Pogge

  17. Glucker says:

    they'd only go up by about 1-1.5 mill… i think they can handle that…

  18. Lord says:

    I agree that the standing is not clear. That's base on dept at each position, top prospects, and others ….

    But I don't know if anyone on this site can really be objective when talking about all prospects in the league. All we know is what we read or heard about. Does anyone here have seen enough prospect players to really compare them? I don't think so….

    As a Hab fan, I don't see them 2nd. Because they don't have a top ten prospect. How can you hope to be a contender someday when you're never able to have an elite player? Who really care about having a lot of 2nd and 3rd liners ??? I prefer to have one really 1st liner potential like Radulov, Toews or Kessel than having three 2nd liners potential like Grabovski, S. Kostitsyn and Chipchura. But I think that for gives more credit of having three 2nd liner than one 1st liner.

    What do you think ?

  19. Sedin23 says:

    But his max potential is nothing close to Nicklas Lidstrom numbers, so guys don't get carried away.

  20. BruMagnus says:

    For once I agree with you.
    These guys are more delusional than fundamentalist christians

  21. BruMagnus says:

    throw in pogge

  22. BruMagnus says:

    I actually agree with you B&W that the individual player rankings are a year (if not more) behind. But explain how a team like Philly goes from worst and moves up 20 spots? It's because of all the trades they made to bolster their depth.

    The Leafs may have a few quasi-elite prospects (Pogge and Tlutsy) but there is little depth past that. None of the d prospects will be more than a 5th or 6th dman. Time will tell on your Stralman. Remember that the NHL is a much different game than Europe.

  23. BruMagnus says:

    Oh and I forgot to mention, which was the main reason for my post:

    If you admit that the stats/numbers are a year behind, why do you elsewhere use those same numbers in FAVOUR of your arguments… please be consistent, or I cannot for the life of me respect your machiavelian argumenting.

  24. BLUE_AND_WHITE says:

    i cannot for the life of me respect a guy who only posts on leaf boards to get attention. FU(K OFF YOU FU(KING PIECE OF BANDWAGON SHIT, LEAF FANS HATE YOU, SO LEAVE

  25. BLUE_AND_WHITE says:

    But, a guy who can log minutes like Lidstrom, Hit like lidstrom, and play his style CAN be VERY succesful, even if he doesn't have the talent level of Lidstrom. He won't win any norris trophy's, but he could develop nicely in the next 6 years into a first pair defenseman, ala Kaberle

  26. BLUE_AND_WHITE says:

    hmmm, even some hab fans agree with me. i know your type, you disagree, just to make argument.

  27. Glucker says:

    are you insane? that would be like you giving us Crosby for Belak

    both of you want to give up WAY too much, Sharks need a true top pairing defenseman, and McCabe/Kubina for Marleau wouldnt affect their cap too much, plus the draft picks they'll be getting will sweeten that

  28. mojo19 says:

    Not that it matters or anyone will remember this, but I bet 10 years from now Stralman is better than Ryan Whitney by far.

  29. BruMagnus says:

    no, I disagree because I don't agree with the stupid things said.

    please tell me B&W (whom i generally respect) what you see in the future for your top Leafs prospects. right now, I want to remember what an intelligent leafs fan said so I can remember it in 5 years time to see if he was right.

  30. BruMagnus says:

    I'll take that bet.

    $500. That's only $50 per year. If we both invest in a fund, we can make some interest on it too.
    This will make Bet 37 that I've made and haven't had a taker yet. Because everyone just talks outta their ass and doesn't put their money where their mouth is.

  31. BruMagnus says:

    Sedin23 does the same.

    and someone called you intelligent in a previous post…

  32. BLUE_AND_WHITE says:

    you of all [eople know better than to follow a cannucks fan. 3 years olds say" someone else does it TOO" guess what, sedin23 is right 10% of the time

  33. BLUE_AND_WHITE says:

    yeah, if you win the bet you can buy 10 years wirth of pittsburgh seasons tickets

  34. BLUE_AND_WHITE says:

    Tlusty- wellwood, only he'll take longer to mature
    Pogge- Chris Mason, only will mature quicker
    Stralman- Kaberle, Timmonen type
    Kulemin- Kovalev
    Williams- Jeff Halpern
    Aubin- Steen
    Earl- Pohl

  35. BruMagnus says:

    those are big shoes for Stralman to fit into.
    why is it that a list created by a leafs fan has Stralman nowhere in the top 10? (im looking at the top right of the Leafs page).

  36. BruMagnus says:

    maybe two years ago, but with back-to-back years of the most increased ticket sales and 95% sell outs (a huge improvement for pittsburgh) ticket prices have gone up 60% and are no longer cheap as they used to be for the abonimable pens.

  37. DoubleDown says:

    wow…is this an accurate representation of leaf nation? are you all this deluded? you sit there and say that the only prospect montreal has is Price, and the you list Toronto's prospects with their MAXIMUM potential?? you can do that for every group's prospect you dimwit.

    good god, if i were a Leaf fan, i think I'd have to kick my own ass…

  38. BLUE_AND_WHITE says:

    95% sellout of an old arena that barely holds 15000, and has ZERO luxury boxes.

  39. BLUE_AND_WHITE says:

    read the info on stralman, they talk about how he probably wont make the sweedish elite league roster. Of coarse, he did make the roster, and lead the league in ice time. names one of the top 3 players at the world cup

  40. mojo19 says:

    Hahahaha. "I bet"Is a figure of speech, and besides it'll be opinion and you'll never admit to Stralman being better if he is. Bru you are such a nerd. You seem like a really nice guy for some reason, but just a huge nerd. Most people from BC are either really chill or really flakey….

  41. Sedin23 says:

    what the hell did i do to get involved? I only look at the Leaf boards when there aren't any new articles. Canuck fans are worse then Leaf fans? We don't booo our players pff the ice…I'm right 10% of the time? No mine just aren't biased…

  42. BruMagnus says:

    True, you only boo your goalies outta the City!! You know it's true. Virtually everyone since McLean.

  43. BruMagnus says:

    or stonned

  44. Sedin23 says:

    We boo Luongo off???

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