How do the Leafs Match up in the East?

It has been said many times over that the Toronto Maple Leafs will be hard pressed to make the playoffs. Several believe that this team is quite inferior to the rest of the teams in the East. The team is filled with aging veterans, injury riddled players and inferior talent. And of course, the pipeline of prospects is completely dry.

In reality, the Leafs have enough talent to definitely compete for a playoff spot in the East. People tend to forget quickly that the last time there was hockey, the Leafs were a 100 point team. Granted, there has been plenty of turnover from that club to the one they are about to ice in 2005-06, but the discrepancy is not that far off. Often mentioned, but not yet proved so far, is the constant assumption that Jason Allison and Eric Lindros are going to go down to injury and that they are a concussion waiting to happen. The fact is Allison had whiplash and after 2 and a half years of rest, rehab and strength training, the guy should be in great shape. People should focus more on him getting his timing and speed back than his past injuries. Lindros does have a bad concussion history, but he stayed relatively healthy in New York and after a battery of tests, was deemed fit to play. Even Jeff Oneill, another newcomer with high hopes, has been raked over the coals for his injury past. The fact is his shoulder has had a year to heal and he is once again healthy.

Though there may be risks, I think all 700 players are at risk in a game like this where it is fast paced, physical and demanding. the fact is, the 3 big name newcomers are no bigger risks than the 4 men they replaced in Joe Nieuwendyk, Gary Roberts, Alex Mogilny and Owen Nolan. All missed much or parts of the 03/04 season and barely were in the lineup at the same time. The Leafs were able to play through it and still managed a 103 point season.

I think right now, the Leafs can match up with any team in the East and compete. In a league where parity and competitive balance is the flavour of the month, talent is going to be spread around. And with 30 teams, no team will be stacked, and all teams will have their holes and weaknesses. Especially in the Cap world where limited spending puts a crunch on the number of talents one team can acquire.

Here is how the Leafs stack up against teams in the East:


The Leafs have one of the better goalies in the East. Often mentioned are Ed Belfour’s bad back and his age. He has had 1 year of rest. That alone should help that back of his. He has had time to let it heal, strengthen it and give it a break. And though over 40, he keeps himself is better shape than alot of goalies. The other thing that gets alot of press is his salary. Belfour’s contract is to blame for the Leafs missing out on overpaying for talent. That’s fine if people want to say that, but when he posts back to back shutouts and carries his team through a couple of playoff rounds then the 4.6 million he is due is going to seem like chump change. I in fact enjoy it that Belfour is getting slammed as it only makes him a better player. He relishes proving people wrong.

I would say there is less than a handful of goalies who are better than Belfour in the East. Martin Brodeur is the obvious. look at the man’s track record. 3 cups, 2 vezinas and a gold medal. The guy can win, plain and simple. Roberto Luongo has so much talent and promise that he is another. He is the best young goalie in the league and if he didnt play on such an inferior team, he would do so much better. But internationally he has proven he can help a team win and hopefully with a better Panther club in front of him, he will finally succeed. I dont doubt it that if a team could get any goalie but Brodeur, Luongo would be the name often mentioned.

But after those two, it becomes a bit of a crapshoot. I think there may be some goalies on the same level as the Eagle but few who could be considered better. Jose Theodore is the man who can steal as many games as Eddie. He too gets alot of negative press but seems to come alive when the Habs need him most. Another goalie who just happens to be on a Canadian team too and who gets beaten in the press is Sens goalie Dominik Hasek. Another goalie in his 40s with an injury history and with much to prove. He too is one that seems to thrive when written off. I would say he has more concerns than Belfour in that he has only played roughly 15 games in 3 years and so he will need to quickly shake off that rust. But the man with a cup win, a gold medal and 6 vezinas is not someone i would bet against.

I would say the rest of the teams in the East have goaltending that is a very very small notch below the above mentioned ones. Robert Esche is a very good young goalie but one who needs to string together a few good seasons. He won the starting job midway through the last season and has only 1 year of playoff experience. Though beating Brodeur and Belfour is a good accomplishment, it doesnt make him a top goalie just yet. He does not have the track record of the above mentioned goalies and that is fact.

teams like Carolina and Tampa will rely on former backups to take over the starting roles. The Rangers, Pens and Sabres will likely have a goalie platoon of a veteran and a promising youngster and you could even put the Lightning in that group as well. The Caps have the very good Olaf Kolzig but this team is going nowhere. While teams like Atlanta, Boston and the Isles have very promising young goalies who in my mind will only get better. But right now, i dont think any of those teams have a better goalie than Belfour.


The Leafs blueline gets more negative press than any other position or team in the league. The fact is the Leafs have 4 solid players back there who can contribute. Bryan McCabe is the leader. Though not a number 1 guy he brings a big shot and a physical element to the team. Tomas Kaberle is often criticized for not shooting or hitting but he brings speed and terrific playmaking. Alexander Khavanov is no Brian Leetch but he offers a solid two -way game and another guy who can move the puck. Ken Klee gives the Leafs some grit and experience who is very steady in his own end.

There may be teams with better talent on defence but the Leafs are not as bad as they are made out to be. I would say the Sens, Flyers, Devils and Lightning are probably the deepest teams on the back end. The Sens may have the best top 4 in hockey. The players Philly acquired have added the physical element the team was missing and make them real deep on D. The Lightning’s top 4 helped them win the cup and have a great balance. and the Devils have 7 quality NHL dmen and maybe more if Tom Albelein and Scott Stevens decide to return. I would definitely say these teams have a stronger defence than the Leafs.

But after that, the difference is negligible. The rest of the East has some pretty good talent on D but as a whole, I cant seen any of the other teams boasting a defence better than Toronto. Maybe just as good, but not better. Some teams have little depth like Washington and Carolina. Some teams are quite young like Buffalo and Florida and may be good in a couple of years. Teams like the Islanders, Pittsburgh and Boston have good guys on the top, but are thin on the bottom. While teams like Atlanta, the Rangers and Montreal have players to choose from, but no top end guy which is just like the Leafs.


The Leafs may have the best or one of the best group of centres in the East. Not too many teams out there can boast a big 3 in Allison, Lindros and Sundin. Those 3 at times can be dominant on the ice and are huge impact players. In a 30 teams league, the Leafs are fortunate to have 3 number 1 type centres at their disposal. The only other team who i think has a better group of centres than Toronto is Philadelphia. With the likes of Forsberg, Primeau, Handzus, Carter and Richards to choose from, who can argue that claim?

But can one say the rest of the teams are so much better than Toronto? Tampa has Lecavalier and Richard and Boston has Thornton and Zhamnov. a nice duo but 1 less than the trio the Leafs can put out. Talent wise, I dont see much of a difference between Toronto as these teams.

The Panthers, Habs, Thrashers and Devils have nice depth down the middle. Florida with Jokinen, Nieuwendyk, Gratton, Stumpel, Weiss, Montreal with Koivu, Bonk and Ribiero, Atlanta with Holik, Savard and Stefan and New Jersey with Gomez, Madden, Kozlov and Parise. but are those groups any better than what Toronto can throw out there? I would say not. Perhaps as good but not better.

Teams like the Islanders with Yashin, Buffalo with Briere, Ottawa with Spezza and Pittsburgh with Crosby will need to add more depth to match the Leafs mix of talent and depth at centre.

In time the Rangers, Caps and Canes may be much better down the middle but currently offer the likes of Nylander, Cassels and Brindamour as their best most proven guys. All have some good young talent but will need time to have them develop.

Toronto’s strength down the middle will have to make up for their lack of talent on the wings. with only 1 proven goal scorer in O’Neill and a slew of role players the Leafs biggest need is more depth on the wings. They may have one of the thinest group of wingers in the East. Perhaps the Caps and Canes have less talent and offence from the wings than Toronto but that’s about it. The Sabres could have a great group of wingers if their young prospects pan out. But they still have to prove themselves. The rest of the teams have at least 1 impact guy and in some cases have more than 1.

Montreal: Kovalev, Zednik, Ryder

Tampa: St Louis, Modin, Prospal

Philly: Gagne, Kapanen, Knuble

Boston: Bergeron, Murray, Samsonov

Atlanta: Hossa, Kovalchuk

FLorida: Horton, Roberts

NY Rangers: Jagr

NY Islanders: York, Satan, Parrish

Ottawa: Heatley, Alfredsson, Havlat

New Jersey: Elias, Mogilny

Pittsburgh: Mario, Palffy, Recchi

Definitely the Leafs need scoring depth on the wings. They have many role players that will give them depth but you have to score to win. It is unsure if their top centres can put up the points playing with guys who cant finish. It will be interesting to see what the Leafs do to rectify that problem because at some point this year it will need to get addressed.


It is pretty false to say the Leafs have no young players. Stajan, Coliacovo, Steen, Rask, Wellwood are a pretty decent top 5 group of youngsters. Of course no Ovechkins or Crosby’s in this group but that is the price you pay for winning. You dont get a top 5 pick every year. And sure they traded away some decent young talent like Immonen and Boyes to add veteran help for the stretch and the plan failed. But you have to give them credit for trying even if it didnt work because they would have been criticisized either way if they didnt go after Nolan or Leetch for a run at the cup.

It is going to take some time to build up their assets but i think Toronto is on the right track. The team may have not won a cup, but they are right up there in terms of playoff games and wins over the last few years and when you are that close, chances have to be taken to try to win. the plan could have worked and the Leafs could have won and no one would bother saying the Leafs are thin on the farm.

So as you can see, the Leafs are far from the pathetic team that many people make them out to be. Of course injuries are going to play a huge part in how Toronto does, but if they can stay healthy, I see no reason for Toronto to miss the playoffs. I have said this before, the team has to be given a chance to play the games. JFJ has to be given some time to get the winger the Leafs need. he has about 6 months to find one before the stretch drive for the playoffs. The games are not played on paper folks, they are played on the ice, let the season play itself out before slamming the Leafs.

146 Responses to How do the Leafs Match up in the East?

  1. H_E_DBL_HCKY_STCKS says:

    Kovalev isn’t enough to help you beat us ….

  2. habswinthecup-again says:

    We will see.

  3. 92-93 says:

    well by your logic all the injury-plagued players on the Habs will go down with season ending injuries before the first month is through. oh, except Riberio, who will fake a massive heart attack and play the next game.

  4. GreatWhiteNorth says:

    A goalie that relies on positioning (Belfour) will have an easier time this year than one that relies on acrobatics (Hasek). Why? With Belfour the extra few inches on equipment never really mattered for him, his positioning was always technically sound. Hasek on the other hand, will be more vulnerable, with smaller pads. It’s going to be that much harder to ‘somehow get a piece’ of the puck, when he’s lying down on the ice flinging his arms and legs at the puck.

    Goalies that are more technical are more likely to excel even as they age. Hasek isn’t a young guy anymore, flopping around all over the place like he usually does won’t work as well due to his aging body. Belfour is aging as well, but the types of skills he relies on to make saves aren’t as vulnerable to age. He’s less of a relfex goaltender as one who makes the save because he’s in the technically perfect position to make it.

    You’re right in that a YOUNG acrobatic goalie may have an advantage this year (if he doesn’t rely on the butterfly too much), but with older guys like Hasek and Belfour, technical soundess will rule the day.

  5. H_E_DBL_HCKY_STCKS says:

    ya we definitely will…

  6. 92-93 says:

    in his first 83 AHL games john pohl has scored 50 pts. do your research. he’s a good young player so far.

  7. 92-93 says:

    again, 50 pts in his first 83 AHL games, Pohl doesn’t suck. you need to smarten up and look things up before you state them because you look like an idiot if you don’t.

  8. GreatWhiteNorth says:

    I’ll repet what I said before.

    Koivu has scored 20 GOALS OR MORE ONLY TWICE in his career. His best seasons saw him put up 55 and 56 points. Allison alone has put up 4 70+ point seasons. I’m not even going to go into Lindros and his over 1 PPG career average.

    How many combined 30+ goal seasons have Ribero and Koivu had….. ZERO.

    Combined 30+ goal seasons for Allison and Lindros 7.

    One good season for Ribero doesn’t make him better than Lindros or Allison. Nor does missing a few years make Allison worse.

    I guess since I just explained it to you that make you my *****.

  9. H_E_DBL_HCKY_STCKS says:

    LOL….right on brother

    GO LEAFS GO! *****ES!!!

  10. 92-93 says:

    every article is about the leafs because they are the most exciting team to watch in the NHL for the past 10 years (pittsburgh will be challeging them this year).

    nobody cares about Philly or the Sens because they are too friggin boring. (well, Philly fans falling into penalty boxes is exciting but it happened against THE LEAFS).

    sorry if youre team isn’t exciting.

    lets create a continuum from least exciting to most exciting NHL team pre or post lockout:

    Devils___________Sens, Flyers__________Wings, Penguins, Leafs

    now do you understand? good.

  11. 92-93 says:

    do you realize how much of a whiner you are? oh. and there’s this really amazing little button on your keyboard that has a period on it (i.e.: . ). perhaps you heard of it in grade 1? use it!

    i dig the stream-of-consciosness thing but in the context of a whining post – it just makes it that much more pathetic.

  12. 92-93 says:

    totally agree. although it was a painful call in 1993 on gilmour and it would have been a great final, this would-of type talk is embarassing to many other Leaf fans.

    i know hockey history and the habs have the best history there is. sure they are on par with the Yankees in baseball, but unlike the Yanks, the Habs haven’t won very much since the 1970s (1986, 1993). which is fine and certainly more than the Leafs. but comparing the Leafs to the Soxs (someone else did that) is comparing a team who hadn’t won since 1918 to a team who hadn’t won since 1967 ( a difference of about 50 years). also, if you want to go by that logic, the sox won the series last year so get ready for the Leafs this year.

  13. 92-93 says:

    ok, like i’ve said before. keep all the doubters coming on the subject of the 2005-2006 leafs. i wish this article wasn’t written. in fact, i wish all the leaf haters just dismiss the leafs and completely forget about them because most leaf fans understand how much sweeter its going to be when the Leafs surprise everyone (but themselvesl and their fans).

    The leafs need to still makes some trades to make their team more solid on D and on the wings. The Devils situation is something JFJ needs to pay attention to and don’t let the whole ‘never-trade-to-a-conference-rival’ rule obscure the fact that the following trade is involving minor players.

    If Stevens returns to the devils that means that there will definitely be a trade out of NJ before October. This would have been the case even without the return of Stevens but he makes it that much more imminent. I would love to see a trade that involves the Leafs and Devils (Colin White OR Jeff Friesen for Nik Antropov and maybe someone else thrown into the mix that won’t be expensive – Karl Pilar?). Pilar would make sense because he’ll be near the league minimum, he’s young, and he’s has some good upside. It would also enable the Leafs to maintain a roster spot for a younger guy like Colliacovo.

    Colin White ($1.71 million) for Antropov ($1 million would help the situation in NJ somewhat and would not add much to what little the Leafs have left to spend. It would make more sense for NJ to unload Friesen and his salary of $2.21 million. but who would the Leafs offer. The more realistic deal (and the one they need more badly) is the White for Antropov deal. the leafs’ offence is fine under the guidance of Quinn and the new rules. the younger guys will flourish. but if they Leafs could get Friesen and White for Antropov, Pilar, and a draft pick their line-up would be more solid on both the wings and on D:











  14. 92-93 says:

    p.s. i really like this line up. the devils need a 2nd line center and would want somebody better than Antropov but this guy is young and big and could definitely benefit from playing on a non-Quinn-coached team.

    however, JFJ has to be careful with Allison’s bonuses and the leafs’ payroll would, with this lineup, amount to about $37 million for 22 players. that’s too close to the cap. so, more realistic, is one of these two players coming to T.O. (Friesen or White) and Antropov and/or Pilar leaving.

  15. devils007 says:

    Do your research.

    Pohl had a strong rookie season and his point totals have dropped in both subsequent years. He’s an adequate replacement for Druken, nothing more, nothing less.

  16. devils007 says:

    Spezza is money in the bank. I’d take him over any of those three. Datsyuk is more than an up-and-comer – he’s go the numbers to prove it.

    I agree with you on Briere, and I said that it was debatable.

    We disagree on Lang and Morrison, fair enough.

    Federov has played one season out of Detroit and did okay fitting into a new system. Not spectacular, but hardly something that writes him off.

    As for Gomez, he lead the league in assists last season despite playing for a supposedly defensive team. The kid has the goods.

    I like Allison and Lindros – always have. And you’re damn right, ANY team benefits from having them. As I said in another post, they were good (but easy) signings for JFJ and he deserves credit for getting the deals done.

    The idea that either of them would be #1 on “any team in the league” is just silly.

    As for Sundin, I’m not a fan, but his numbers consistently place him among the elite centres in the league. I can’t argue with that.

  17. FoppaFlyers21 says:


  18. FoppaFlyers21 says:

    Well….. i CANT STAND the Leafs, 85% being because of the fans, 14% being because of Ed Belfour. However, if Lindros stays healthy, I think he could do plenty of damage and should be tried out as a winger. I can see him playing as a power-wing and racking up plenty of damage on the first or second line. Also, the Leafs powerplay is overlooked, should be damn good. The Leafs will do much better than expected, and although a longshot, i think they’ll advance even further than they have in hte past. I can see plenty of chemistry there.

    Of course, this whole message is voided if injury plagues the team.

  19. Habfanforever says:

    Leaf fans vs Hab fans, it will never end. But as usual, I have to put in my 2 cents, it’s my duty. However I will TRY my very best to remain objective, something that SOME leaf fans have trouble with.

    Belfour vs Theodore

    A lot of people bash Theodore and maintain he had one good season, which is false. He had 2 good seasons and one all-star season. He definately can steal some games. Not the best positionnal goalie around but he does have some of the best reflexes and his lateral movements are amongst the best also. Add to that the fact that the goalies will have smaller and lighter equipment, Theodore should be within his standards, if not better.

    Belfour has proven himself in the past and yes he can steal games. He does have some burdens that Theodore doesn’t have. Age and back problems. Some fans don’t seem to understand that these are major issues. Lemieux is younger than Belfour and he’s missed entire seasons due to back problems. As good as Belfour can get fitness-wise, these injuries tend to be recurring, even more so when you’re older.

    Advantage: Theodore

    MTL-Defense VS Toronto defence

    Montreal has some young defensemen, some of them unproven like Streit, Hainsey and Komisarek. Souray is injury prone but still has that lethal booming slapshot. Markov needs to bounce back froma sub-par year. Overall the Habs are headed in the right direction with their defence but might take 1 or 2 seasons to get to full throttle.

    Toronto’s defence is somewhat underrated. McCabe comes to mind. He posted Norris worthy numbers last season and he will build on those numbers and only get better. Coliacovo will step in and become one of the teams blueline threats. Add to that a healthy Kaberle under new NHL rules, Toronto’s powerplay should be above average.

    Advantage: Toronto

    MTL forwards vs Toronto forwards

    It took a lot of time to erase most of the mistakes in the “Houle dark ages”, gutting the team for useless prospects, overaged and untalented players and good for nothing draft picks. That time is gone and now Montreal can ice one of their best and most balanced corps of forwards in years. Although Montreal doesn’t have a real #1 center, Koivu will be the man again. Sure he wouldn’t be a #1 center on most teams but he’d also be the best #2 center in the league. Say he’s a 1.5 center. Ribeiro and Ryder need to build on their successful season. Zednik, Bulis and Kovalev will THRIVE under the new rules. Dagenais can very well pot 25-30 goals if he puts a little more effort. Bonk can become a 20 goal 3rd line center if he plays with Bulis and possibly Hossa. Begin brings a lot of energy to the mix and Sundstrom is a proven 2 way player. Add to that a plethora of prospects who are ready to jump right in and contribute immediately. Perezhogin, Plekanec, Higgins, Locke Kostsitsyn and to a lesser extent Latendresse.

    Toronto does have a good mix of size, experience and talent down the middle, no doubt about that. Their weak points are on the wing where other than O’Neill, not many can be considered a 1st line winger. Tucker? Antropov? nah. If they hope to make the playoffs and put up a good run, they need to put some youth up front. Steen and Wellwood are centers but Steen can be put on the wing and LW Bobby Earl can make the jump this year and would fit good with Sundin OR Allison. The depth at wing could be a problem for the Leafs not to mention the obvious injury problems that can arise in Lindros’ case. (I’m not mentionning Allison because I think he’s recovered fully and I expect him to last)

    Forwards=a tie.

    Why? well there are quite a few IF and BUTs. I’m saying that for both sides. Toronto is more injury prone but they have more experience. Montreal’s faster but they lack grit. What if Toronto players get injured? What if Ryder has the sophmore jinx?

    I guess that offensively, its impossible to say how either teams (or any other for that matter) can do because of the new rules factoring in and the adjustment process it will take to get acquainted with them.

    Nonetheless, I think I speak for both Habs and Leaf fans when I say that most of us are looking forward to seeing our teams play each other 8 times. This year will rule!


  20. FoppaFlyers21 says:

    What was the Avalanche erased from your memory? Detroit/Colorado games are some of hte most exciting to watch ever.

  21. quick_stick says:

    Ok, Koivu is no where near as talented as Sundin…and if you want to ignore the injury thing, well, Lindros is probably more so. Alison has had over 90 points in a season, where Koivu has not come close. So keep dreaming fella. Next you’ll compare Ryder to Bertuzzi.

  22. quick_stick says:

    thanks for the comment… hating the Leafs is perfectly fine. It’s nice to see you actually considering the team and not your hatred though. I can see you point about Belfour too…heh… he’s one of those guys you hate when he’s on the opposing team. (I know, used to hate him when he played for chicago) Personally, I hate the Flyers, but I’m not going to sit here saying they suck when obviously they have some players to be feared. They’ve got their strength and weaknesses like any other team, and if Forsberg shows up like he’s able, and Esche picks up his game, they will be at or near the top of the heap come Spring. I do worry about Hatcher though…he’s the free agent signing I wouldn’t have cheered for if even if I were a fan.

  23. quick_stick says:

    Like you say, it’s all if’s and but’s, but then, that’s the speculative world of hockey discussions lol…

    Actually, I agree with most of your assesments. I give the edge to Mtl in goal, unless Belfour is healthy, in which case I think Eddie will adapt better to the new rules (he’s a tactical positional goalie) then butterfly reflex goalies.

    I think Mtl has some great young forwards, but they would do well to add some leadership/grit/talent in a player or two… I think they need a little more Bertuzzi (or to a lesser extent Roberts) type players.

  24. samcal17 says:

    Thank you very much for clarifying the fact that he kicks ass. Unless you’re not a Leaf fan then he isnt really a top tier d-man.

  25. Leafnation9 says:

    Concerning the last post, Leafs Offense always scores more goals than Montreals. Our offense is fine. Especially under Quinn. You can’t always look at names on paper. Remember, the leafs always get balanced scoring.

  26. habs_forever says:

    Well, I don’t take too much into the whole analogy thing…I mean sure the Yanks have been more successful recently but they have had the luxury of being able to buy their latest championships which Montreal could not do. Same goes for the Sox and the Leafs…can’t compare the two.

    Oh, and if the leafs were to win this year…prepare for these boards to be void of any non-leaf fans for a long while. 🙂

  27. habs_forever says:

    Well, I believe that Montreal has the advantage on defence and Toronto has a slight advantage on offence (provided both the teams are running with their starters). You do make a very good point though about the lack of grit on Montreal which might end up hurting them if the rule changes are not as successful as everyone hopes.

  28. quick_stick says:

    The one thing for sure, it’s going to be a ton of fun watching the the Buds and Habs play eachother so much this year 🙂

  29. quick_stick says:

    and update…post on

    To Toronto : Kronvall, Zetterberg

    To Detroit : Coliacavo, Kaberle, Antropov

    Apparenetly this was reported on earlier this evening and removed.

  30. toronto77 says:

    i’d take friesen and kick out pilar

  31. toronto77 says:

    toronto v.s ottawa is defianltly the most exciting edge off your seat entertainment in the east(dont know in the whole league but definalty in the east)but in every sequel toronto defeats ottawa…ottawa’s to stupid to realize they do not stand a chance and just give up


  32. flyersfan21 says:

    If anybody wants to read how the prospects are rated go to

    and you can read about every teams prospects.

  33. the_expert_44 says:

    what exactly makes the leafs so exciting? their MANY star players? ahahahaha. obviously, you enjoy them because you are a fan, but to say they are anywhere near colorado, detroit, or pittsburgh in terms of excitement is just ridiculous

  34. 24_cups_and_counting says:

    1967 since a cup? God I would hate to be disappointed for that long. Good think i’m not a leaf fan!

    Gainey for Prime Minister!

  35. 24_cups_and_counting says:

    1967 since a cup? God I would hate to be disappointed for that long. Good thing i’m not a leaf fan!

    Gainey for Prime Minister!

  36. H_E_DBL_HCKY_STCKS says:

    Says the Devils fan that KNOWS so much about St. Louis prospects……

  37. kamullia says:

    I am shocked you did not comment on ANOTHER Leafs article or HOW LONG this article was. Oh, hold it…you wanted another Leafs article and the longer the merrier, right?

    There is plenty of good Leafs fans, but is the reactions of people like you that have the rest of the league shake their head when they listen to your kind of Leafs fans.

  38. H_E_DBL_HCKY_STCKS says:

    who are you talking to?

  39. H_E_DBL_HCKY_STCKS says:

    What exactly is my kind of Leaf fan????

    Please explain that cuz I thought I made some logical level headed commentary. Last time I checked I didn’t post a Belfour for Luongo and Jokinen trade….get your facts straight, then criticize. Or maybe you have mistaken me for the guy who thinks Koivu is better than Sundin, Lindros and Allison…..please politely, PUCK OFF! Take your Haterade to another thread.

  40. garyroberts7 says:



  41. garyroberts7 says:

    Are you expecting one soon cause i don’t see you winning in the next 10 years.

  42. splendidchink says:

    Teams who improved:Florida, Islanders, Sabres Penguins, Bruins, Atlanta.

    Teams who lost talent: Philadelphia, Tampa.

    Teams who are pretty much the same, for better or worse: Ottawa, Carolina, Leafs, Montreal, Atlanta, Devils

    Teams who totally suck: Caps, Rangers.


    1) Bruins-All around good mix of players.

    2) Pens-Awesome offense-who can stop them? Need D help.

    3) Ottawa-Like Bruins, Hasek is the wild card.

    4) Tampa-Mediocre goaltending is Achilles heel.

    5) Philadelphia-No offense, slow D, Good potential in goal.

    6) Devils-Got to dump some players, but still have Brodeur.

    7) Isles-2 solid lines, improving.

    8) ????? Leafs, Habs, Carolina, Atlanta-gotta go with the Canadiens and Thrashers fighting it out for last spot on this one.

  43. kamullia says:

    No mistakes. You complained about an article being too long, yet it was a third as long as this article was.

    And you also complained about too many Penguins articles and not enough Leafs articles, which is an abberation.

    So yes, you are the kind of Leaf fan everyone else hates: The ignorant kind that can not see past the Leafs, and doesn’t really care for good hockey. But I must admit I did not add analphabet to your description, which is above and beyond the Leafs fans I was referring to.

    In essence, you are in a world of HATRED of your own. Congratulations.

  44. 92-93 says:

    i, of course, am speculating about pittsburgh being exciting. colorado is fun to watch, sure. but to say that it is ‘ridiculous’ to suggest that the Leafs are as exciting as Pittsburg?!?!

    did you watch any pens games last year? exciting? um, no. this year maybe.

  45. 92-93 says:

    really? i mean honestly? DO YOUR RESEARCH. he has played one full season and played in only 9 games in his second season, which was last season, because he was INJURED. All you have to do is just click on any AHL stats page so its not really considered ‘research.’ its just smarter to look things up than to look really stupid.

  46. 92-93 says:

    again, i agree. BUT, (always a ‘but’ in there) – the Canadiens and Leafs did have the cultural advantages (especially in former’s case) of scouting, drafting, developing players from their respective regions. In the Habs case, they pretty much had exclusive rights and access to French Canadian players for most of their history.

    Of course this is a thing of the past but the one thing that all of these clubs (Sox, Yanks, Habs, Buds) have in common now is the prestiege of playing for these clubs and how that intangible factor sometimes weighs into players making decisions to play for them. of course this isn’t measurable so that’s why non-fans of these clubs (philly fans for example) shit on this possibility. on the other hand, one cannot put too much stock in the influence of such prestiege either (like Peddie did this month with the Leafs).

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