Hurricanes and Kings make a trade

TSN.ca is reporting that the Hurricanes and Kings have made a trade. Going to Carolina is center Eric Belanger and Defenceman Tim Gleason. In exchange the Kings receive, Oleg Tverdovsky and the rights to prospect Jack Johnson


45 Responses to Hurricanes and Kings make a trade

  1. 92-93 says:

    seems like a terrible for Rutherford.

    I know Johnson hasn't played an NHL game that Tverdovsky is a salary dump, but is that it?

    Tim Gleason?

    Gleason is good but I think the Canes could have got more here.

  2. The-President says:

    This is crap, my article was better, and I probably posted it before this guy.

    Anyways, why does it seem that other teams get players so easily, when the Leafs need to give up their best prospects. Gleason a number 4 dman, and Belanger a career 3rd liner, is that a joke. So I guess the Leafs could have gotten Johnson for Coliacovo, and Stajan? It is rediculous. The Canes are retarded for giving him up, they'll be kicking themselves whenever this guy plays, I'm sure they could of gotten better in return. When we want Raycroft we give up our best goalie prospect Rask. Why? Why can't we ever get a steal. The rangers way back when they traded for Jagr, Bure, they were both had for a bag of pucks why?

  3. Mr_Canuck says:

    Any huge Kings' fans out there? i need a realistic view on Gleason, o'wise i just don't see why ruthy would do this!

  4. The-President says:

    Gleason is a young Tverdovsky, what a waste for the Canes.

  5. The-President says:

    Rutherford is a Genius (sarcasm), thats why. Gleason is a younger Tverdovsky, I don't know why he would risk the future for these guys that he picked up. Kaberle really wasn't that big of a void in the defense was he for Ruthy to do this, personally I dont think hes that good. In the beginning of last year the Canes had Kaberle benched for like the first 30 games, until somebody got injured and they played him. I'm sure they could have survived without him for now, and this trade.

  6. OldGoalie says:

    And half the world thought the 'Canes would get Jordan Staal for Johnson.  Had the Pens wanted Johnson, I tend to think that this pretty clearly shows that they could've had him.

    Not sure what I think of the justification on TSN that this bolsters Carolina's depleted blueline immediately…and I certainly don't buy that this is a smart trade for anything approaching the long-term.  They're giving up two defensemen (although one of them isn't in the NHL) to get one right now.  At first glance, it looks like a short term break-even (at best) and a long term major loss for Carolina.

    I haven't seen the Kings play in quite a while, though…is Gleason actually that good?

  7. The-President says:

    No he isnt. He plays a horrible defensive game, hes more of a offensive minded Dman, yet he only had like 2 goals, and 19 assists or something like that, thats why I keep saying he is a young Tverdovsky.

  8. The-President says:

    Correct me if I'm wrong.

    If a Kings fan posted Gleason and Belanger for Johnson and Tverdovsky during the speculation period, would anybody take him seriously, because I know I would find it a hilarious trade that would never happen. Anybody else think so.

  9. Ortep says:

    Why? Why can't we ever get a steal.

    It's been a while, but getting Doug Gilmour, Macoun, Wamsley Nattress and Manderville from Calgary for Gary Leeman, Michel Petit (+ 3 stiffs) was one of the greatest steals ever. 

  10. OldGoalie says:

    Let's see…he was drafted in 2001 (pretty high choice…#23 overall), so he's, what, 23 years old or so.  You always have to keep an open mind with defensemen because they mature late so often, but by age 23 he should've shown at least some flashes if he's going to turn out to be a top 2 kind of a guy (which is definitely what Carolina should have gotten for Johnson if they were going to deal him for another defenseman, in my opinion).

    On the upside, Kings fans are probably pretty happy.

  11. Williams1505 says:

    This is quite dumbassish!~

  12. KingOKings says:

    Die-Hard Kings fan here! Gleason is a solid no. 4 and he is still young. He seems to me to be of the slow maturing d-man mold. He has decent size and should continue growing into a steady defenseman. It is very possible Belanger could have a career year in Carolina. He is very fast has decent hands and a good shot. Not a bad replacement for Cullen at all. He could easily get 60-70 in the right situation and if he can stay healthy. I think for the Kings this means they are making room for both Mike O'Sullivan and Anze Kopitar their top two prospects who are both excelling in camp. I hate to see Bele and Gleason go as they both still have upside but hopefully Johnson will pan out if not this year.

  13. KingOKings says:

    Gleason is not a young Tverdovsky. And he is not an offensive-minded defenseman. You are completely wrong here!

  14. papichulo71 says:

    Bure and Jagr were both salary dumps.  Washington is still paying almost half of Jagr's $11M just to play in NY.

  15. papichulo71 says:

    From from my perspective in last year's world junior championships Jack Johnson was a better defenseman than Eric Johnson(#1 overall pick).  Granted he is a year older but he was the U.S.'s top defenseman.

    Therefore I think the Hurricanes could have gotten much more for JJ than Gleason and Belanger.  Tverdovsky is a salary dump and people tend to overlook how important $5M off the books is in today's NHL.  For instance say Rutherford pulls a Bob Clarke and offers the Devils' Paul Martin a RFA offer sheet and steals him for a draft pick knowing NJ is unable to match.  Now the deal turns into Martin, Gleason, and Belanger for JJ, Tverdovsky(who was currently a 6-7 defenseman), and a 2nd rounder.  You are also making a fellow Eastern Conference team weaker in the process.  But with the caliber player like JJ I think Rutherford should have raised his sights to a Barret Jackman or a Scott Hannan type defenseman.  This makes me think the Tverdovsky dump was a big part of this deal. Lets just wait and see what happens next.

    I also don't think we know the story behind this Jack Johnson kid.  At first he turns down an offer to join the Hurricanes' playoff run(granted he did not know they would go on to win the cup).  Then he rejects a second offer to join the NHL this season.  JJ is a big kid and could easily handle himself in the NHL.  Something, that we all don't know about, has to be wrong with this guy. Where's the drive?

    Thirdly the time is now for the Carolina Hurricanes.  They are the reigning Cup champs and with lots of pressure from their recently created fan base to repeat.  Selling hockey in Carolina is a lot different then selling hockey in one of the northern states.  Winning teams are what drive the market. So replacing Ward and Kaberle with Gleason, Cullen with Belanger, and having free money to spend now or save to keep Staal when he becomes a RFA(which I think is next year) is a deal that needed to get done.

  16. FlamingHomer says:

    Thanks for the reminder. Possibly worst trade ever.

  17. LaKingsFan626 says:

    Gleason  is crap but you should welcome Belanger with open arms because the man has proven that he can provide depth.

  18. tancred says:

    When I first read of this trade, I thought Rutherford was crazy and got ripped off.  I think your last two paragraphs have some really good points, though.  Its just sort of such a shocking trade–a first rounder as highly touted as Johnson going for seemingly so little.  As you said, maybe in time, it will come off as more of an easily balanced trade.  

  19. Huller says:

    I was in mexico for a funeral and ended up staying there for the past three weeks. Would somebody be willing to do a quick right up on what happened in those three weeks

  20. tancred says:

    I'm curious…who were the other three stiffs you mentioned?  

  21. Ortep says:

    Alexander Godynyuk, Jeff Reese and Craig berube

  22. Marky2Fresh says:

    Man I bet the Leafs could have gotten Johnson at the Trade Deadline for Caber.

  23. goalieman32 says:

    i think that with this trade, the kings become a future powerhouse in the west.  tverdosky is not that bad of a defenceman, even though he wasnt used much last year.  while he plays a more offencive style, he has good speed and hands, and i believe that he could be a perfect fit in la with the new nhl.  they add johnson in the near future and he should compliment petiot well.  the offense is loaded  with the likes of kopitar, o'sullivan, boyle, lewis, puschkarev, moulson and tukonen and they have other decent d prospects in ryan and fast.  they also have a future goaltender in bernier, and possible future goalies in quick and munce.  in my opinion, they have one of the premier groups of prospects in the nation.  i say a cup in 3 years.  bold, but that is what i think.

    on the other hand, the canes are going to regret this move, but not as much as most people think.  they get a decend d man and a quality depth center.  they have plenty of depth in the d category with babchuck, carson, borer, vojta, mcbrian, lawson and hagemo, most of who are predicted to be top 3-4 defencemen. the canes are also plentyful in goal with ward, peters, and nastiuk.  where the canes need to improve is in the front.  after ladd, reed, and hughes, there isnt much in the system.  they wont miss johnson as much, but they will regret not getting any forward prospects out of the deal.

    which brings up the point about the favorite rumor of johnson for jordan staal.  i believe that the pens would have made the trade before, when they just drafted him or even during the draft.  but when he came to camp, he really impressed the coaches and could see some time in the nhl, especially now with the injury to malkin.  that should be the reason for no trade between the pens, or at least it makes sence.  either way, carolina lost this trade simply because they didnt get any good offensive prospects out of the deal.  nice work by the kings

  24. goalieman32 says:

    i think that with this trade, the kings become a future powerhouse in the west.  tverdosky is not that bad of a defenceman, even though he wasnt used much last year.  while he plays a more offencive style, he has good speed and hands, and i believe that he could be a perfect fit in la with the new nhl.  they add johnson in the near future and he should compliment petiot well.  the offense is loaded  with the likes of kopitar, o'sullivan, boyle, lewis, puschkarev, moulson and tukonen and they have other decent d prospects in ryan and fast.  they also have a future goaltender in bernier, and possible future goalies in quick and munce.  in my opinion, they have one of the premier groups of prospects in the nation.  i say a cup in 3 years.  bold, but that is what i think.

    on the other hand, the canes are going to regret this move, but not as much as most people think.  they get a decend d man and a quality depth center.  they have plenty of depth in the d category with babchuck, carson, borer, vojta, mcbrian, lawson and hagemo, most of who are predicted to be top 3-4 defencemen. the canes are also plentyful in goal with ward, peters, and nastiuk.  where the canes need to improve is in the front.  after ladd, reed, and hughes, there isnt much in the system.  they wont miss johnson as much, but they will regret not getting any forward prospects out of the deal.

    which brings up the point about the favorite rumor of johnson for jordan staal.  i believe that the pens would have made the trade before, when they just drafted him or even during the draft.  but when he came to camp, he really impressed the coaches and could see some time in the nhl, especially now with the injury to malkin.  that should be the reason for no trade between the pens, or at least it makes sence.  either way, carolina lost this trade simply because they didnt get any good offensive prospects out of the deal.  nice work by the kings

  25. goalieman32 says:

    i think that with this trade, the kings become a future powerhouse in the west.  tverdosky is not that bad of a defenceman, even though he wasnt used much last year.  while he plays a more offencive style, he has good speed and hands, and i believe that he could be a perfect fit in la with the new nhl.  they add johnson in the near future and he should compliment petiot well.  the offense is loaded  with the likes of kopitar, o'sullivan, boyle, lewis, puschkarev, moulson and tukonen and they have other decent d prospects in ryan and fast.  they also have a future goaltender in bernier, and possible future goalies in quick and munce.  in my opinion, they have one of the premier groups of prospects in the nation.  i say a cup in 3 years.  bold, but that is what i think.

    on the other hand, the canes are going to regret this move, but not as much as most people think.  they get a decend d man and a quality depth center.  they have plenty of depth in the d category with babchuck, carson, borer, vojta, mcbrian, lawson and hagemo, most of who are predicted to be top 3-4 defencemen. the canes are also plentyful in goal with ward, peters, and nastiuk.  where the canes need to improve is in the front.  after ladd, reed, and hughes, there isnt much in the system.  they wont miss johnson as much, but they will regret not getting any forward prospects out of the deal.

    which brings up the point about the favorite rumor of johnson for jordan staal.  i believe that the pens would have made the trade before, when they just drafted him or even during the draft.  but when he came to camp, he really impressed the coaches and could see some time in the nhl, especially now with the injury to malkin.  that should be the reason for no trade between the pens, or at least it makes sence.  either way, carolina lost this trade simply because they didnt get any good offensive prospects out of the deal.  nice work by the kings

  26. goalieman32 says:

    sorry about that

  27. bakunin says:

    Wow, what is wrong with the hurricane ? They really got riped off….

  28. BlackSheepBoy says:

    Thanks. I kept thinking everyone was a tad out to lunch on that too.

    I’ve always heard he was more of a 2 way D-Man with really good skating.

  29. Shatterday says:

    WOW….habs offere aiebisher markov and perezhogin and wernt able to get johnson! and now gleason and belanger…..i think hurricanes were to scared tot rade him in the same conference cuz thats a joke.

  30. tancred says:

    Ah, thank you very much.  That trade happened before I became a hockey fan, but I'm also an armchair gm, so its good to know.  Thanks again.

  31. gg_idiot says:

    I really like Bob Mackenzie's thoughts on this trade.

    http://www.tsn.ca/tsn_talent/columnists/bob_mckenzie/?ID=179276

    Check them out

  32. allTheKINGSmen says:

    ouuuuuuuuu yeaaa !! what a day to be a KING
    also , this is my first day posting something and i thought that this couldnt have been a better time…

    btw Tim Gleason has offensive potential but def is lacking , nevertheless this will be his  3rd season & most kings fans agreed that this year would be his time to show what he really is made of.

    Meanwhile Eric Belanger is like a Yanic Perreault. This man has heart and is one of the best faceoff men out there in the game today, important work ethic and trust me he is worth it plus at 750 000 $ contract … he will be missed in LA for sure.

    now… on to the good part

    with youngsters like

    Alexander Frolov
    Mike Cammalleri
    Dustin Brown
    Brian Willsie

    add to that experience
    Craig Conroy
    Derek Armstrong
    Sean Avery
    Alyn McCauley
    Scott Thornton
    Tom Kostopoulos
    Jeff Cowan

    WITH A STRONG D-LINEUP:
    Rob Blake
    Lubomir Visnovsky
    Mattias Norstrom
    Brent Sopel
    Aaron Miller
    Kevin Dallman
    Oleg Tverdovsky
    Mike Weaver
    Richard Petiot
    Peter Harrold

    AND THE FUTURE…
    Patrick O'Sullivan (F)
    Anze Kopitar (F)
    Lauri Tukonen (F)
    Brian Boyle (F)
    Petr Kanko (F)
    Konstantin Pushkarev (F)
    Dany Roussin (F)
    Matt Moulson (F)
    TJ Fast (D)

    and soon enough…
    Jonathan Bernier (G)
    Trevor Lewis (F)
    JACK JOHNSON (D)
    Joe Ryan (D)

    Goalie Prospects:
    Yutaka *****ufuji
    Barry Brust
    Ryan Munce

    Other Prospects:
    Noah Clarke (F)
    Raitis Ivanans (F)
    Tim Jackman (F)
    Matt Ryan (F)

    And a healthy 3-way competition for the #1 spot between
    something to prove :
    Dan Cloutier
    Mathieu Garon
    Jason LaBarbera

    The future looks bright for the KINGS finally… since the Gretzky/Kurri/Robitaille days of the early 90's up to the finals in '93

    in due time my friends … in due time

    (PS: yes ima big KINGS fan duh)

  33. bakunin says:

    the kings already had one of the best defence of the league… Its a very good trade for them, they must be drinking champain and pinching eatch others…

  34. BruMagnus says:

    Staal already signed a contract earlier this year for quite a good deal for the Canes.

  35. Bruins4771 says:

    When are leafs fans going to realize, your team is not what it used to be.  You rode out some amazing players no doubt, but you didnt stock for the future, and you still arent.  Rask for raycroft?  So dumb.  No body wants Coliacovo and stajan or any of the other guys you mention.  Its always the same guys involved and its always for something great in return.  NO ONE WANTS THEM.

  36. kamullia says:

    I read Bob McKenzie’s take on this trade, and I see and understand the reasoning from Carolina’s side, although I do not agree with it.

    Carolina is basically thinking of the present, and they could not get the trade they really wanted, so they got creative. In the end, Carolina is looking for defensive help, and their thought was that Johnson was not going to be of any help to them soon because he wants to either graduate from the Michigan or at least win a championship with them.

    Carolina’s thought is that they are shipping out one defenseman, but getting one back that can be more effective in the defensive side, plus an energy player. Per se, this helps Carolina’s defense as is, but more important is that Tverdovsky’s was overpaid and not producing, and his $2.5M/year clears plenty of room for Carolina acquiring further help on defense later on during the year. You have to understand that Johnson was being viewed by Carolina as not worth much to them because of when he would make an impact on their roster. Therefore in their view they got rid of two defensemen who were of no help to them, and cleared a good cap space and salary room for acquiring further help in the near future.

    Their reasoning is logic, but I do not agree with it. Simply put I believe Johnson could have fetched Carolina a much better return by himself, and getting rid of Tverdovsky’s cap hit was as simple as putting him on waivers and demoting him because I feel several teams would have been willing to pick him up via waivers (which would have got him off the books altogether). It certainly was worth a try to put him on waivers first, in my opinion. Regardless of Johnson not being helpful to Carolina’s situation even in the future, he is too good of a prospect to just use him as bait into LA picking Tverdovsky’s salary and cap hit. I find it a waste of resources from Carolina’s side.

    The Kings are some happy fellows right now. They got a future true blue chip defensive prospect for not much in return as far as playing caliber goes. Not just that, but Tverdovsky might just be a better fit in Los Angeles and gain his worth for his contract. Sometimes all it takes is a change of scenery. In the end what they have really done is be willing to pay $2.5M/year for three years for the right to wait for Johnson to graduate or win a championship with the Wolverines. If you can afford it, it sounds like a great deal to ensure you have a great defender to anchor the entire blue line for years to come. And the icing would be if Tverdovsky gets back to where he should be in LA.

    And if by some miracle Carolina happens to miss the playoffs, this will automatically rise to be the worst trade of the year.

    After this, I am disappointed in Shero. He could have had the rights to Johnson for McCracken, Carlson, and Melichar. Hell forget Johnson, just ship them Melichar for a draft pick or even future considerations. Just getting rid of him would have been worth it.

      – “…but Dave was there. Dave’s a killer.”

      – “Dave’s a mess.”

      – “But Dave’s out. Who’s gonna take his place”

      – “Is the answer Jesus?”

  37. thegoalie1976 says:

    They should have traded for a goalie………………………………………………………………………….a good one this time!!!!!!!!!!!

    This team would be dangerous with Biron, Toskola/Nabokov, or Giguere in net.

  38. OldGoalie says:

    Don’t be too terribly hard on Shero…if Rutherford’s reasoning was actually as stated, he probably wouldn’t have willingly made this type of deal with an Eastern Conference team.

  39. papichulo71 says:

    I don’t think LA will come close to making the playoffs. The West is too strong this year. But they are showing strong signs of a soon to be Juggernaut.

  40. Atomic_Wedgy says:

    Kamullia, these are good comments. Well put.

    I agree with you. CAR could have (and should have) got a lot more for Johnson. This is a win-win situation for LA. I wish Philly had made an offer…

    LA will give Tverdovsky another chance on their blue line. Tver is a quality player who had quite a bit of success in the past offensively. He is definately not going to be killing any penalties, but he can add some firepower to the PP. He had 3 years scoring over 50 points.

    Worst case senario for LA is they pay Gleason, Belanger and 2.5 million (for 3 years) for Jack Johnson. Not too bad IMO.

    Is it not possible that LA could demote Tver and get some cap relief, just like Kamullia thought CAR should have done?

  41. kamullia says:

    I do not follow. What is your reasoning?

    If your thinking is that they might have to face Johnson then something must be escaping me. They way I see things, by the time Johnson makes a regular impact in the NHL, Carolina will more than likely be in some kind of retooling mode trying to decide if to rebuild or reinforce. Either way, typically teams in those modes do not end up in the finals.

  42. kamullia says:

    Yes, LA could very much go that route to shed Tverdosky’s cap hit. If someone picks on the way down him up, they’d be off the hook for the salary too. But I am quite sure they will give him a lengthy chance at first, at least in the begining.

    If Tverdosky became untradeable, another option would be buying out his contract at the end of the year. They would save money this way, although the down side would be that they’d have to carry a cap hit of $833,000 for the next 2 years.

    By the way, I did some checking and I had misunderstood Tverdosky’s contract. He is signed for this season and the next one only. Therefore LA is commiting to their salary for two years, and not three as I originally thought.

  43. kamullia says:

    Yes, LA could very much go that route to shed Tverdosky’s cap hit. If someone picks on the way down him up, they’d be off the hook for the salary too. But I am quite sure they will give him a lengthy chance at first, at least in the begining.

    If Tverdosky became untradeable, another option would be buying out his contract at the end of the year. They would save money this way, although the down side would be that they’d have to carry a cap hit of $833,000 for the next 2 years.

    By the way, I did some checking and I had misunderstood Tverdosky’s contract. He is signed for this season and the next one only. Therefore LA is commiting to their salary for two years, and not three as I originally thought.

  44. AHLoldie says:

    I think the answer is pretty simple. Johnson didn’t want to play in Carolina, and they finally realized he was serious. Carolina couldn’t get what they wanted from the team that Johnson desperately wants to play for, so they made the next best trade they could make. Johnson will never play for L.A. They will end up dealing his rights before he goes back into the draft.

  45. AHLoldie says:

    The Kings are going to get fleeced on this one. Johnson is going to play out the season with Michigan. He turns 20 on January 13, 2007. If he isn’t signed by June of 2007, and he won’t be, he becomes an Unrestricted Free Agent. And he signs with the Penguins. The Kings are stuck with the Rights to Johnson which nobody will touch with a ten foot pole. The Canes got something for him at the expense of the Kings. Shero played this like a master. Johnson has wanted to play for the Penguins from the beginning. Now you know why Shero didn’t listen to any talks about trading Jordan Staal. The Canes knew what was coming. The poor Kings are thinking that they will sign sign Johnson. Pity the fools!

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