“If you trade (Nail Yakupov and Sam Gagner)… you got a disaster on your hands,” says former NHL GM

This in from former NHL coach and GM Doug MacLean, now a Sportsnet commentator, his take from Wednesday night’s Edmonton Oilers broadcast on whether or not the Oilers should look to trade smaller, skilled players like centre Sam Gagner or winger Nail Yakupov:

“Gagner and Yakupov have really been a real dilemma for this organization. They don’t know what to do with them. -29 for Yakupov. Talented kid. You know he’s going to score a lot of goals in the NHL before he’s done. Gagner, solid, solid. People don’t know if he’s a #2 or a #3 (centre).

“Here’s the problem. You got to stay with these guys. You’re not going to get value (in a trade). It’s disappointing the way they’ve performed, but you are not going to get value. So stay with them.”

It was suggested to MacLean that the mix was all wrong, that the Oilers need some bigger, tougher players for their top six. MacLean agreed, but only to an extent,  putting a different spin on the notion:  ”You bring in complementary guys to play with them. I’ve said it for years. You take their Top Six, and you make it a Top Nine because you fill in with quality 2-way guys. But if you start trading these guys, you are not getting value and you got a disaster on your hands.”


28 Responses to “If you trade (Nail Yakupov and Sam Gagner)… you got a disaster on your hands,” says former NHL GM

  1. leafy says:

    What do you guys think of the Mark Fraser trade with Edmonton for Teemu Hartikainen and Cam Abney?

  2. doorman says:

    I think it’s good to see fraser will get a chance to play. I liked him and his toughness, Gleason is just a way better option. Also Players like GM’S who try to find guys places to play, don’t think that it won’t go unnoticed.

  3. doorman says:

    So insider trading on TSN reports Kulemins is avail and Leafs looking for a player in return. Wonder if they don’t like the money heat want if talks have began behind closed doors?

  4. doorman says:

    It also appears that the Canucks are looking to retool. What would it take to get a Hamhuis or even Bieksa? I like Bieksa for his grit and toughness, however I have concerns about his durability. But if they are truly looking to retool, do you throw all in and as much as I hate him, lol, go for a Kessler as well as a Dman? What would it take to get said players?

    • razer1818 says:

      To Vancouver

      Nazim Kadri
      Cody Franson
      T.J Brennan
      Tor. 2 Rd 2014

      To Toronto

      Kevin Bieksa
      Ryan Kessler

      • razer1818 says:


        Bieksa – Gleason
        Rielly – Gardiner

      • doorman says:

        I don’t think that package gets it done, I think you would need to add Percy and make the 2nd a 1st minimum

        • realistic_leafs_fan says:

          Bieksa would be a great piece. I think it’s a Kadri, Gunnar/Franson kind of thing just to get Bieksa. Two more years on his contract at $4.6 is a great deal as well. It will take a lot to get Bieksa.
          Kessler is still pretty young but beaten up. He still has good value though.
          To get both…that is either huge youth…Gardiner, Kadri, 2014 1st to start.IMO Or start with JVR for instance and add less other valuable pieces. I’m not interested in moving JVR for either of those two though.

    • leafs_wallace93 says:

      Bieska was Vancouver’s worst blueliner against San Jose last playoffs, he’s the prototypical ‘steady’ blueliner that gets eaten alive in Toronto, see Beauchemin. Not giving up a good young center in Kadri for a guy we’re just going to gripe about for years.

      • realistic_leafs_fan says:

        Guys will be griped about no matter what, it happens in every city. I just was commenting on what it would probably take to get him.
        Plus, Bieksa is typically great in the playoffs, one bad playoff hardly ruins him, otherwise we should have no confidence in Dion either.

        • leafs_wallace93 says:

          For every good playoff series Bieska has had he has three bad ones.

          He’s like Dion without any offensive upside.

          • realistic_leafs_fan says:

            What? I would like to see you back-up Bieksa being mostly a playoff bust.
            He has only ever been a – player in the playoffs twice and they were -1 each time. 25pts in 65 gms and a +9 while typically playing 24mins+.
            Phaneuf 15pts in 32 gms and a -18.
            In 5 playoff years, Phaneuf has only been a + player once and their ppg are similar…but somehow Bieksa is a bust and Dion is a must.

            • leafs_wallace93 says:

              I don’t care about his statistic, I care that he coughs up the puck at critical points in a game.

              He was by far the worst player in the San Jose series and I wouldn’t give up significant assets just because he’s a flavor of the month defenseman.

              • realistic_leafs_fan says:

                I have always like Bieksa, so it’s no flavour of the month.
                Stats are not the whole story for sure, but if you’re always coughing it up…the stats will point in that direction. Phaneuf has been a bigger playoff bust than Bieksa and that is really hard to argue otherwise. Although I think they could make a great pairing.

      • TmLeafan says:

        Ya trading Kadri for Bieksa would be retarded. Van would be all over that deal. They need scoring so badly. Kadri is not going anywhere so we might as well stop talking about it. Bieksa is another Tim Gleason which we got for Liles so we should give away our 2nd line centre?? Brutal

        He is on pace for just shy of 60 points. That is about as good as any of us could have hoped for to start the year realistically.

        • leafs_wallace93 says:

          TmLeafan gets it.

          A lot of people are married to the fact that they buried Kadri for struggling in December and half of January. If we run everyone out of town for a scoring slump basically no one other than Crosby is good enough for Toronto.

          Is it Lupul’s turn now? Who is keeping score these days?

          • doorman says:

            The deal proposed was for Bieksa and Kessler and while I am In No hurry to see youn g talent traded away I am of the belief no player is untradeable. Are you saying that in the next while the Leafs are better off in the playoffs with Kadri then Bieksa and Kessler? I think the later brings us closer to cup contender status and I would trade Kadri for a cup but that’s just me.

            • realistic_leafs_fan says:


            • TmLeafan says:

              RLF said it would be Kadri plus Gunnar/Franson (great another asset). Yes it would make us better in the short term but they are both past their primes and Kesler has injury issues.

              I would have interest in Kesler but see if they are interested in picks and prospects. It is a possibility with the way that franchise is heading.

              • realistic_leafs_fan says:

                I said what it would likely take to JUST get Bieksa.
                I wasn’t promoting the trade, I was saying that I didn’t think what was posted above as a trade idea would be enough. Van will want young, NHL ready player(s) back for Bieksa.IMO
                He is valued by the organization even if many on here don’t value him.
                I would take him in a second, but not sure I would want to give up what I think it would take to get him.

        • mapleleafsfan says:

          I’d quit being a Leaf fan if we traded Kadri for Kevin friggen Bieksa. He’s a good player, but that would be an awful trade.

  5. doorman says:

    I WOULDN’T mind Humhuis either, I think he is less physical but certainly effective and would work great with one of Reilly or Gardiner.

  6. leafy says:

    What can the Leafs realistically get for Kulemin, the latest rumor?

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