It's the Rangers' fault!!!!!!!

What’s the reason we aren’t warming up our couches for a long winter of yelling at useless refs? The answer comes from the big apple, and not those fishy lookin players either, the ones from downtown. In 1997 the Rangers, working within the current CBA, destroyed hockey.
The following article was posted on MSN sports, and if you care to read it, it states that the problems start with Joe Sakic and the Avalanche. Burnaby Joe was a group 2 free agent, making a cool three mil, and expecting a ten percent raise. The rangers gave Mr Sakic a huge hike of 4 mil, forcing the Avs to keep their marquee player.

The article fingers the players and the agents for taking this kind of cash. I would like to argue that the real bad guys are the Rangers, a club with huge cash decides to simply try to go over the top so that they can get themselves a seat filler(having lost messier to the nucks). Had the rangers not done this, Paul Kariya wouldn’t have sat out trying to get 7 mil, and lindros wouldn’t have wanted such a beefy contract. It’s all down hill from there.

I think this is the perfect example of a league without parity. Had Joe been playing on a small market team (I will let you come up with your own example), that team wouldn’t have been able to afford to keep him. Rangers would have gotten their star and salaries then would skyrocket again.

So I say, why not install a system that assures a players salary will not go astronomical? A system that would never let agents and teams have a player like Primeau making 5 million, and there are numerous other players. A contract should be qualified by the league to make certain it is a reasonable contract and is comparable to the market place. This could likely take a lot of firepower away from agents and create fewer salary based rifts between GM’s and players ( a la Pavel Bure and Quinn).

here is the article for your viewing pleasure,

http://sports.sympatico.msn.ca/Home/ContentPosting.aspx?feedname=CP-AllSports&newsitemid=12157013


140 Responses to It's the Rangers' fault!!!!!!!

  1. GretzNYR99 says:

    “but i am sad that there are so many delusional ranger fans. and gretz, i could look up names of freeagents over 3 million bucks that they sign but what good would it do. you guys don’t hear it.”

    Clam chowder boy, don’t even talk about delusional, because we all know Boston fans are the most delusional they are, especially Red Sox fans.

    Why don’t you then? C’mon, lets see what you’ve got. Lets see how well you’ve done your homework.

    You’re right, I won’t hear it… we can’t hear it on a web site unless it has voice capabilities… we’ll see it.

    What do players get paid by, first and foremost? Offensive numbers. Now, what happened since expansion up until the mid 90’s? An offensive explosion. What’s inflation? The value of the dollar DECREASING OVER TIME. What’s the problem with the NHL? Not enough revenue generated to pay these players ridiculous contracts. A million 30 years ago was huge. You could say that Bobby Hull started it all by turning down the Blackhawks offer and taking a million dollar deal with the Jets in the original WHA. That set a precedent back then that laid the foundations for Orr and Espo’s contracts, which set precedents for Gretzky’s contract, and Gretzky’s contract set the precedent for any contract ahead of him.

    All you do is just sit here talking about how other team’s fans are delusional and sit here CLAIMING that you can name all of these free agents that the Rangers have signed for over 3 million. Either start backing up your arguements, or shut your damn mouth.

    Time to put up, or shut up.

  2. GretzNYR99 says:

    No, Keane and Skrudland were traded to the Rangers.

    Get YOUR facts straight.

  3. GretzNYR99 says:

    You’re really one to talk.

  4. hockeyhead says:

    first of all…..i don’t live in mass so i am highly insulted. second of all i hate the red sox. thrid of all i don’t eat chowder.

    dilusional because you don’t think your team over spends.

    how much did they give quintal to get him away from the canadians? and no i am not going to research this exact numbers to prove to you what over 400 voters on this site have stated.

    how come every time a huge salary player has worn out there welcome the only team they can go to is new york. ie….jagr, kovalev, graves, bure, messier,gretzky, lindros, fleury………

    why don’t you make a list of the team you think has the biggest cause for inflated salaries and then come up with a list of million dollar men in the 70’s.

    save the insults for your playground fights…b#tch

  5. GretzNYR99 says:

    Try looking at this year’s playoffs, he was easily one of the 3 best performers in all of the playoffs.

  6. GretzNYR99 says:

    1. Orr, Hull, Espo, Bucyk, Howe, not a long list, but enough to set precedents for future contracts.

    2. Delusional, you mean? First off, you called ME and my fellow Ranger fans that, “save the insults for your playground fights?” Practice what you preach. I never said that they didn’t overspend, but you can’t blame one team in general, you assclown. Get your head out of your ass before you speak.

    3. “how come every time a huge salary player has worn out there welcome the only team they can go to is new york. ie….jagr, kovalev, graves, bure, messier,gretzky, lindros, fleury………” How did Gretzky of all people wear out his welcome? Please explain, if you can, that is. Bure and Kovalev? Ever hear of the term affordability? Graves and Messier? WTF? Messier was traded for, and Graves was as well. Just shut up, you mindless twit. Lindros, yes, that’s fine. Fleury was signed as a free-agent, Calgary never wanted to trade him to Colorado, and if you didn’t see his last game as a Flame, he got a curtain call, something that RARELY happens in hockey.

    You are just plain stupid. Sure the Rangers overspent, but they’re not the cause of all of this. A faulty cba with bad management and greedy players with low revenue doesn’t combine for a healthy economic state. Players make 75% of NHL revenue, it shouldn’t be that way. No other sport comes even close to that percentage. Look at things a little more objectively, think before you speak, and practice what you preach.

    Good day, and good riddance.

  7. GretzNYR99 says:

    Coming from “Mr. Maturity,” this doesn’t sound right in any way, shape, or form.

    “save the insults for your playground fights, b#tch”

    What exactly are you doing here? Attacking another team with nothing to back your grounds upon. Accept the fact that society in whole outside of the NHL has contributed to this as well as poor management by all 30 teams and overexpansion by our not-so-sleight-of-brain commissioner. Hockey players want to be paid like baseball players, football players, and basketball players. The thing is that we don’t make the revenue to pay them that way. They think their sport is a top 4 sport, and it’s not. Because of this, and piss-poor management by ALL 30 TEAMS, we have a predicament that we’re not getting out of easily.

    It’s mongrel idiots like you who look for scapegoats because you have no common sense to see through and break things down objectively.

  8. Aetherial says:

    sure it is well said..

    you will NEVER convince owners like MSEL that sharing their money is a good thing.

    Most owners would just as soon see the weakest teams be contracted.

    The Toronto Ownership makes a HUGE profit and will regardless of the status of the league in the future. I am sure a few other markets are the same.

    There is NO incentive for them to heavily revenue-share… as long as there is an NHL somewhere, Toronto will make a lot of money… REGARDLESS of any US TV deals by the way 🙂

    I like your ideas, and I wish they would come to pass… but I see the arguements from some franchises that will prevent it (not to mention the players unwilingness to atatch salaries to revenues in any way).

  9. hockeyhead says:

    again with the names.

    oh, and by the way….bobby orr’s agent screwed him out of a ton of money. he should of been a partial owner of the bruins. the agent was brought up on charges.

    idiot indeed. it is not a matter of finding a scapegoat…it is an opinion to this kids article is all….chill out man.

  10. hockeyhead says:

    delusional is not like calling someone a nit whit or a twit or an idiot or moron or fag or retard….sorry you were SO insulted.

    blame the kid who wrote this article. his title it self is prevoking (sp).

    i am just adding some fodder here and it obviously worked.

    and stereo typing me as a masshole was totally out of line just because i like the bruins. people don’t have to like teams because of their demographics!

    you have a nice day…hope we can have some more heated discussions. maybe i will know what i am talking about. first i gotta start eating my clam chowder.

  11. PayUpSucka says:

    Stirring the pot eh Dando, aka electroreruns, aka leaf expert.

  12. hockeyhead says:

    he is not knobbygobbler too is he?

  13. GretzNYR99 says:

    Adding some fodder, but what do you think I’m doing?

    Obviously, it’s working on both ends.

    If you’re gonna dish some, prepare to take some. I don’t mind some good ol’ fashioned knocks at people as long as they’re not gonna get all defensive and back off once the game starts.

    And don’t give me the bullshit with the stereotyping. Because everyone from Massachusetts does it too, I have relatives in Boston. We both know that both sides, New York and Massachusetts natives, do it.

    You have a nice day also, you’re right, maybe we can talk hockey over a nice bowl of clam chowder.

  14. GretzNYR99 says:

    Yeah, purplehelmet, thesheriff, dirtysanchez, if you remember way back.

  15. GretzNYR99 says:

    Unfortunately, contracts base salaries mostly on scoring.

    I will agree, Jason Arnott is a straw arguement. His best year was in 94, his rookie year, and he hasn’t put up numbers close to that ever since. He could have been so good, and hasn’t become the sum of his parts.

    Holik in no way, shape, or form should be making anything close to 9 million. The supply and demand of the 02 free agent market was small, and Holik was the only quality center going anywhere. The Rangers outbid Philly, who bid 8, and Toronto, who bid 8.5. If anything, blame the Devils for trying to resign him at $5 million, or the Flyers for bidding 8 off the bat.

  16. GretzNYR99 says:

    Yes, revenue sharing will never work in the NHL because unlike baseball, we don’t have the revenue to have owners like George Steinbrenner who will spend at will for his Yankees. The have cities in the NHL will be fiscally responsible so they won’t have to share with the have-nots. They’d rather see the have-nots go down the drain to add more depth to the talent pool in the draft. I’d rather see the have-nots go also. I liked it better at 26 teams rather than 30.

    Yeah, the players don’t want a damn thing to do with salaries being attached to revenues. Greedy bastards, hopefully scabs come in, and these guys are shit-out-of-luck with jobs. I’d rather see guys who just want to play, and not play for the money at this point. I’d rather watch the AHL.

  17. hockeyhead says:

    i am not from mass tho, that is all.

    i guess my frustrations are coming out because hockey should be starting in a couple of weeks

    no hard feelings gretz, i didn’t mean to rip on your team so much. i was just going along with the article. dallas is a team that i truly despiZe.

  18. hockeyhead says:

    i don’t get it…..how do you go from RAGING HOMOPHOBIC INSULTS to more gooder and bestest.? one of the true characters of the site. the new name should be sybel (sp)

  19. RaGsHoCkEy88 says:

    of course u put the blame on the rangers. its not their fault. dont forget there r alotta teams with giant payrolls soo before making a pointless article like this consider ur other options.

  20. GretzNYR99 says:

    I don’t mind you ripping on the team, but delusional? Leave that out.

    I’ll go quip for quip when it comes to ripping on teams, I’m a Ranger fan for pete’s sake, my team hasn’t made the playoffs in seven years. I don’t care, it’s fun.

    I don’t like to stir the pot outside of hockey, but unfortunately, on this site, and many others these days, we get homers who know shit about hockey and come to talk trash to other people. Screw those jackasses.

    You could despise the Rangers all you want, I could care less. Not everyone’s going to like the Rangers, but if we’re gonna talk hockey, lets have valid arguements. It gets interesting when you’ve got something good going, and it’s not going to be interesting around here for a very long time…

  21. IceyCup says:

    I think Holik is worth every dollar.

    All 8.*****ing8 million.

    Every penny.

  22. GretzNYR99 says:

    Well said, I agree.

  23. GretzNYR99 says:

    Because when someone says something stupid like that, I play like that.

    I only pick fights when warranted, and by warranted, I mean when someone’s looking for one, like you were. If you can’t take it, don’t dish it, that’s my point.

    I can talk hockey all day, but if you want to throw stupid insults at other teams like “the rangers suck, high payroll, blah-blah-blah” all day and think you’re talking hockey, I’ll just rip you a new asshole because you’re doing nothing but polluting this site.

    Don’t start, and I won’t finish. I’m a rather nice person when I’m not provoked.

  24. GretzNYR99 says:

    Well said from the one who kicks it old school.

    Bring Hartford back. I’d honestly rather see Atlanta’s team in Hartford, a market in which these days they could survive.

    Look at Minnesota, all those hockey starved fans who still miss the North Stars. The Wild have a surprisingly large fanbase for an expansion team. It helps that Minnesota is hockey-first, but still… for an expansion team that made it’s debut 4 years ago, that’s a quick draw. I feel Hartford would just as easily do the same.

  25. hockeyhead says:

    why are you blasting me….i was talking about knobbygobbler and dando eagle. what the f#ck.

    me polluting this site? i have forgot more about hockey then a lot of people know on this site.

  26. GretzNYR99 says:

    I’m not blasting you for anything. I’m talking about the other posts.

    Leaf_Expert is another story. He’s got problems, big problems.

    When you do what you did before, yes, that’s polluting this site.

  27. GretzNYR99 says:

    I don’t think anyone in this league should be paid 8 million right now except for Peter Forsberg.

  28. GretzNYR99 says:

    Toronto consistently has had one of the highest payrolls in the NHL, year after year.

    It’s not like they don’t spend, so lets not play the victim here.

  29. heartofleafs says:

    Wacked out logic?????????

    So just as a question???? What does the Salary arbitration process involved??????

    I seemed to think that players try to get the highest salary possible by comparing their stats to others that have similar stats (and are making more money).

    What is a salary for NHL players based on then stupid?????

    Get a *****ing clue you idiot

  30. GretzNYR99 says:

    Not really, the Islanders were stupid for signing Yashin to that big of a deal. He had never scored 50 goals or 100 points in Ottawa, why are you going to give a guy like that 9 million a year?

    The Holik signing happened because the Devils started a bidding war at 5 million, if you really want to blame someone for that, blame Louie L. for going off on a tangent and creating a big mess. Philly bid 7, Toronto went 7.5, the Rangers went 8, Toronto and Philly matched it, and then the Rangers pulled 9. That’s what happens when the supply and demand works in favor of the player and not the market, and that applies to everything, not just sports. Why do you think video game consoles are so expensive when they first come out around Christmas Time?

  31. IceyCup says:

    wah wah wah…

    not everyone is gonna agree with you in life, kiddo.

    and that’s ok.

  32. IceyCup says:

    wah wah wah…

    not everyone is gonna agree with you in life, kiddo.

    and that’s ok.

  33. GretzNYR99 says:

    Well said, thank you.

    Someone who has actually followed through on his thoughts and clearly, concisely, and objectively broken down the situation.

    If it was just the Rangers that started this mess, by all other means of logic, wouldn’t the other NHL teams be fine? Would Pittsburgh have to worry about a new arena? Would Ottawa and Buffalo have been on the verge of bankruptcy?

    Point is, the NHL has the worst money management that sports can find. The owners are tightwads or free-wheelers, there’s no medium. The tightwads are just as poor at managing their money as the free-wheelers are, and that’s what’s contributing to the problem at hand. General Managers in small markets with restricted payrolls not doing the right thing for their team. It doesn’t help that big market teams like the Rangers before last season spent and spent year after year, but they didn’t drive up the market just because of one offer. Although I think Simplyhabby said this… the Rangers were wrong for not offering $10 mill to Sakic and closing the door on any potential precedent that could have been set then and there.

    Blame poor management as well as greedy players and poor advertising and promotion. It all adds up, but in a bad way.

  34. GretzNYR99 says:

    Toronto consistently has one of the highest payrolls in the league, and every year that they don’t win the cup, they trade for another overpriced veteran and further bolster their already immense payroll.

    They should have been keeping their prospects and drafting better. I don’t see a young impact player on that team or in their system aside from Matt Stajan. Coliacovo (sp?) is overrated, and can’t play positional defense for his life. I’ve seen him make more defensive mistakes in one shift than Gino Odjick lose teeth over his career from fights. Wellwood’s not going to be anything special, and Tellqvist is a career backup. Kondratiev is a Ranger, and he was your best defensive prospect. Well rounded, kind of like his old buddy and fellow Ranger Fedor Tyutin.

    You guys show no signs of stopping either, all these rumors of Toronto in hot persuit of Kariya, Murray, Kovalev, etc… not helping your cause.

  35. GretzNYR99 says:

    “Just telling like it is bro. Even you have to admit signing Sakic to that offer sheet is where the bidding wars originated.”

    Not really, bidding wars have been going on for years and years before that.

    “As far as the leafs, a team that is in it and competing every year has a better chance at winning the cup than a team that shows up once every 10.”

    That’s not saying a lot, the Leafs have made it to the conference finals once in the last 10 years. They’re not “in it and competing ever year,” just making the playoffs. Obviously you’re right about the Leafs having a better chance, but give the Leafs 3 or 4 years, and they’ll be where the Rangers are now, if JFJ is smart. In 3 or 4 years, the Rangers will be one of the top teams in the league.

  36. GretzNYR99 says:

    That team was made to win the cup for one year, and one year only.

    Smith traded away Amonte, Weight, Marchant, and a host of prospects to get guys that were on the tail ends of their careers.

    “Talented disgrace…?”

    Is that possible? That’s an oxymoron, I’ll have you know.

  37. GretzNYR99 says:

    Good for them?

    3-4 years and they’ll be where the Rangers are now.

    3-4 years, and the Rangers will be one of the top teams in the league.

    The same goes with the Bruins, I don’t see one forward in their system that’s going to do anything special. I thought Ivan Huml would be something, but he’s proven to be a stiff so far. Hannu Toivanen is going to be a good backup goalie to Andrew Raycroft, but beyond Toivanen, who do they have that will do any damage? Boyes? He’ll be a 2nd line center. Jillson’s gone, and he was going to be one of their defenseman for a long time down the road.

  38. GretzNYR99 says:

    No it didn’t start when the Rags started stealing 3rd and 4th liners with the lucrative contracts.

    Did it have an adverse effect? It sure did.

    Blame a fault cba system that was made half-ass by a demand for hockey. Had the owners locked out the whole 94-95 season, the NHLPA probably would have came around and the owners would have *****ed out the union like the NFL did to the NFLPA. It’s going to happen this time around, players have pension plans, sure. But when they go extended amounts of time without pay, you’ll see them crawl to the owners, and it’s a good thing. This time around the problems will be resolved instead of patched up via quick fix.

  39. hockeyhead says:

    of course you can be a talented disgrace. see coby bryant and any of the large number of talents that do disreputable things to themselves.

    jagr has not been in trouble but ….”i would rather spend my summer doing something other than the world cup” that is disgraceful.

    and gretz…see how i was not ripping in that comment about the 94 rangers. not all my comments are full of shit.

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