Comments on: Kaberle trade talk heats up

By: mojo19

mojo19 — Thu, 24 Jun 2010 13:13:45 +0000

In what universe is Andrew Ladd a top 6 forward?

By: DannyLeafs

DannyLeafs — Thu, 24 Jun 2010 09:43:48 +0000

The problem isn't that the Hawks would be giving up too much. Ladd is solid top 9 forward, but he is no top six forward. Versteeg is a good second line player, but doesn't really projecto to be a top liner. The 24th or 30th overall pick has value, but just because it's a first rounder doesn't mean it's worth that much. Two late second round picks are more likely to yield a star player than one late first, so it's not as valuable as people like to pretend.

That doesn't mean that I think a dealing Kaberle to the Hawks makes sense though. The Hawks are going to want to spread their salary around, so any deal they make will have the highest paid player in the deal leaving their team, not coming to it. If the Leafs want to deal with Chicago the are more than likely going to have to give up players like Gunnarsson, Mitchell, Stahlberg, Caputi or Kulemin. Basically giving up prospects and players that are NHL ready but are on small contracts and still have some upside.

The biggest problem with dealing with Chicago now is that all the players they would have likely had to let go for a small return are now considered more valuable because of their cup win, but make no mistake, Chicago still isn't going to get the type of return the players would be worth if they weren't so cash strapped. If you want proof just look at the Byfuglien trade. Marty Reasoner is a solid checking center, but he isn't that special. The top two picks from New Jersey are nice, but definitely not normally enough to land a player with Byfugliens abilities. Morin is probably the most intriguing part of the deal, and would make it a fair deal if Chicago had just given up Byfuglien for this package, but they did give up one of their top prospects, a solid enforcer, and a decent defensemen. I am not saying the deal didn't make sense for both sides, but considering the playoff run Byfuglien had, that isn't that much a huge return.

Either way, I do agree that the deal doesn't make sense, but it isn't because Kaberle's trade value is less than Versteeg and Ladd's, its just because chicago is not likely to add any players with larger salaries than the ones they shed.

By: glotz_99

glotz_99 — Thu, 24 Jun 2010 08:41:58 +0000

Hey how about you go ***** yourself, Versteeg's contract is 3,083,333 for 2 more seasons, Ladd is a RFA making 1.65 million, and is just under the production of Versteeg so he is going to be asking for around 3 million per season, Kaberle's contract is 4.25 for next season.

Do the math *****sucker, it's more like 1.75 this year, and just under 3.1 million next.

By: intelligentscorpio

intelligentscorpio — Thu, 24 Jun 2010 05:52:19 +0000

So you want two top six forwards, plus the 24th and 30th pick overall for Kaberle. On top of that, Versteeg and Ladd cost would be 5 mil going out and Kaberle would be 4.5 mil coming back.

So, for .5 mil, you would like Chicago to part with 2 top 6 forwards.

That is an amazing example of someone living in a DREAM WORLD. Wake up Leafs fans, do you even realise how stupid you sound.

By: NonLeafFansAreGay

NonLeafFansAreGay — Thu, 24 Jun 2010 03:16:49 +0000

mitchmac….ARE YOU REATRDED WTF

By: toronto-cruz

toronto-cruz — Thu, 24 Jun 2010 01:34:55 +0000

why would Burke give up Kadri, a projected top line player, for 3rd liners (at best) and a highly overpaid D man?

why dont we just give them all our good players, take all their bad contacts and thank them.

i dont think we will see kaberle in Chi. we'd have to take on campbell, and too much else to make sense.

By: mitchamac

mitchamac — Thu, 24 Jun 2010 01:11:20 +0000

I would rather bolland and beech for kaberle let them keep sharp

to chicago - kaberle finger n kadri
to toronto - bolland beech cambell

By: glotz_99

glotz_99 — Wed, 23 Jun 2010 21:47:17 +0000

I still see Burke working out a deal with Chicago, even though they just dealt Byfugelin they are still going to be right up against the cap after they sign their RFA's.

I would love to see the Leafs get Patrick Sharp, but if they wanted to hold on to him how about:

Thomas Kaberle for Kris Versteeg, Andrew Ladd, 24th or 30th Overall Pick

Toronto would probably have to throw in a minor league player too but Chicago would get some cap relief, as Versteeg is making just over 3 million and Ladd is going to be asking for between 2-3 million and the Leafs get two top 6 forwards as well as a late 1st rd pick.

By: broc

broc — Wed, 23 Jun 2010 20:34:13 +0000

Not enough for Kaberle..

Toronto
- Kaberle
- Kulemin

NYI

- Okposo
- Tavares
- 2nd + 3rd

Makes as much sense as yours does.

By: mojo19

mojo19 — Wed, 23 Jun 2010 20:05:06 +0000

That would be dirty.