Kaberle would ponder no-trade

Will he, or won’t he?

It seems that every season about this time, the issue of veteran defenceman Tomas Kaberle and the no-trade clause in his contract comes to the forefront of any talk related to the Leafs making a big move.

And with the trade deadline looming, the question was once again raised on Tuesday morning after the Leafs skated in preparation for their game at the Air Canada Centre against the Florida Panthers.

Kaberle, the longest-serving Leaf and probably Toronto’s most-valuable asset when it comes to swinging a deal with another team, was asked if he would be open to waiving his no-trade clause, and it seemed as if he might be willing to if the conditions were right.

“If something comes up we can talk. That’s what my agent is for. I just worry about the hockey games,” Kaberle said. “I haven’t heard anything about that yet. Every year is the same, there’s going to be lots of talk, especially toward the end (of the deadline).”

Toronto has fielded offers on the puck-moving defenceman in the past, but none came up that general manager Brian Burke felt was worth pulling the trigger on. But with the 31-year-old defenceman’s contract expiring at the end of this season, it’s now or never for the Leafs if they want to get anything significant in return for Kaberle.

Kaberle currently leads all other Leafs defencemen by a wide margin with 30 points, 28 of them helpers. He is a minus-6 and has 12 penalty minutes.

The trade deadline is Feb. 28.

http://www.torontosun.com/sports/hockey/2011/02/01/17112431.html


145 Responses to Kaberle would ponder no-trade

  1. hockey_lover says:

    lol you bastard.  I immediately thought "wtf Josh? We havent fought in ages," then I read the rest.  Ya got me 😛

    Hey if a Leafs player comes out and says "yeah we are gonna make the playoffs," Im sorry ..you're gonna get bashed. But if its just status quo .. no need to kick a dying horse. the Leafs arent doing well. The fans know it. No need to beat it into them.

  2. nordiques100 says:

    Garth Snow is a meathead.

  3. Leafs_the_word says:

    Tor
    Versteeg, Kadri, Nonis

    NYI
    Tavares, Dipetro, Snow

  4. leafmeister says:

    5 goals for Franzen tonight.

  5. realistic_leafs_fan says:

    I like the Brown signing. A lot of heart there and even in sarcasm from "i know hockey" he doesn't hurt you defensively as he IS a plus player. Thanks for pointing that out.(sarcasm)

    As for Brent…If he scores 15 goals as a fourth line centre playing approx. 8 minutes a game…he will be the top goal scorer in the League for a fourth line centre. No chance Brent scores 15 playing only on the fourth line unless about 6 of them are short handed.

  6. Leafs420 says:

    well considering kiddo i don't smoke weed anymore and have ina cpl years and never did to the point i could ever be classified as a burnout lol your dumb ass responses that always have to go back to the 420 on my name shows how dumb you really are lol

  7. dumbassdoorman says:

    True on the points but he did also miss time with that shoulder injury, wasn't it?

  8. realistic_leafs_fan says:

    Burke has always maintained " I will not ask a guy to waive his no-trade".

    This does not mean he will not up-date Kaberle's agent on offers and if he likes one ask Kab's agent to see if Tomas is interested.
    The idea of Burke's moto is to keep the press of the players back. Otherwise the press will continuously ask the player if he will waive his No-Trade.

    I like the fact that Burke takes the pressure off of the player and puts it on himself. This is one of the reasons players like to play for Burke.

    Burke has never said " I will not trade Tomas Kaberle". He always says that he respects his no-trade clause and will not ask him to waive it. Read between the lines guys. In a round about way Burke is saying…I will let them know about an offer I would take if the player wants to go, I just won't ask the guy to leave.

    This is the way things should be done, behind the scenes and not out in the public and through the press. When Burke traded Toskala and Blake, he didn't come out to the press and say " Yea, can't wait to get rid of these guys, I told them I am doing everything I can to trade them." That would be a Fletcher move…classless!

    If Kaberle doesn't want to move, Burke cannot force him. It sure won't help if Burke goes to the media and says "I've asked Tomas to waive his No-Trade, there is nothing more I can do." The last time a GM tried that (Fletcher) the players got so pissed off and wouldn't do it. And I don't blame them. What Fletcher did by going to the media was disrespectful to his players and they fought back by saying "screw you Fletch, you try to put pressure on us by turning the fans against us, I'm not going anywhere and you're getting nothing"

    Now Leaf fans can hate Sundin, Kaberle, Tucker etc for not waiving their No-Trades, but what do you expect. Leaf fans tried to run them out of town publically. Why should they have done anything for us after that kind of treatment?

    Burke is doing it correctly. He does it behind the scenes keeping the pressure off the player and putting it on himself. Players will appreciate that and be more likely to waive their no-trades out of mutual respect. Just like how Giggy said he would waive his NTC because he feels he owes Burke. Kaberle may feel he owes Burke as well because Burke didn't trade him in the summer. He showed Kaberle that he thought alot of him and just wouldn't trade him for the sake of doing so. Kaberle may now return the favour by waiving his NTC to show Burke he appreciates how Burke has handled the whole situation.

    The right thing for Kaberle to do is waive his NTC and take Burke off the hook and not because he owes the Leafs fans. Kaberle owes us an honest effort night in and night out…On the most part, I believe he has done that. He should do it …because management has treated him fairly and therefore it's the right thing to do.

  9. 93killer93 says:

    I agree with your points accept for one. With Sundin I was not angry that he didn't waive his no trade clause. I was angry that he said he didn't want to be a rental player and he had to be with a team at training camp. Then he went ahead and signed in Vancouver in late Decemeber. Especially since Vancouver was a team rumored to have made an offer for him.  But i do agree that Burke takes alot of pressure from the fans and media to protect his players.

  10. Leafs_the_word says:

    Everyone in Toronto rolls out the red carpet for every professional athlete in the city, Sundin basically dictated the terms of his contract, MLSE treated him as well as any player in the league.  The decent thing for him to do was to give back to a city that gave him everything.  If I worked a company that gave 40+ million dollars I'd be pretty f'ing accommodating, but rich privileged white men rarely make for decent human beings. Mats owed Toronto but it was his right to be selfish. 

  11. realistic_leafs_fan says:

    Then actually you agree with all my points.LOL

    I also lost some respect for Sundin for the whole training camp thing. I do believe he wouldn't waive his NTC because of the treatment by management, media and fans leading up to the trade deadline…and for that, I don't blame him.

  12. realistic_leafs_fan says:

    How much Sundin got paid has nothing to do with it…many have argued he was under paid during his last contract.

    I hope your employer never comes to you and says " Hey, I have some new less expensive talent I want to bring in. I hope you don't mind leaving." I'm sure you will say " No problem boss, you have given me so much, I owe you and the company and the people of this city who bought our product that kept me employed."

    The red carpet you speak of has a lot of stains on it…ie, Larry Murphy, Toskala, Blake, Sundin, McCabe, Komisarek etc etc etc etc I could go on and on with players Toronto fans tried to run out of town…some red carpet you got there.

  13. reinjosh says:

    haha awesome comment

  14. Leafs_the_word says:

    I would have happily given another 800 K a season instead of a NMC.  He took a relatively insignificant pay cut. 

    Again, if I was paid seven figures, I'd expect to be accountable to do whats best for the customer and management that is puts me in a ridiculously privileged position.

    In Mats' case it was more about bringing talent that belonged, he didn't fit and that is what the working world is about, fitting, when you don't the company model you get pressure to leave, that's life.  He made the situation much worse by staying, he could have gone somewhere he was wanted but I supposed he liked the extended off seasons Toronto gave him.

    And we're talking about Mats here, not Larry Murphy & friends, when did MLSE ever mistreat Sundin? The only thing they ever did was asking to waive his NMC to which Mats sit in face of this organization and MLSE still put together a video tribute and the fans gave him a standing ovation on his return in another jersey.  Who mistreated Sundin?

    I've seen athletes in Toronto, they're treated like demi Gods, believe it or not they don't spend their spare time listening to AM radio and reading fan blogs.

  15. Leafs_the_word says:

    Bury Komisarek with the Marlies to give a character guys to help the kids, trade Beachemin for a prospect or pick, extended Kaberle for a career ending contract that pays him 3.8 per for 6 years, extended Schenn at 3.5 per, sign Erhoff 4 years 20 million.

    Phaneuf – Erhoff
    Kaberle – Schenn
    Aulie -Gunnerson
    Lebda

    Cap hit approximately 21 million.

    Burke saves face by doing right by Kaberle, we still 'build from the net out' (blerg) and this doesn't assume too much.  Not a plan A but this could gives us a versatile defense with puck movers, PP prowess, toughness, youth but most importantly talent.

    If we can't find that stud top six forward then might as well give the blueline is yearly face lift.

  16. The-President says:

    Once again, a very intellectual response. 

  17. LeafsFTW17 says:

    I would have to go with scrivens on that one. would also help us out on that right side of the PP for the one timer…Love the idea of having him on the team.

  18. LeafsFTW17 says:

    dude shut up, he made a great proposal,  Something you could't do. Use your *****ing head for once.

  19. LeafsFTW17 says:

    as he reaches his max potential, the leafs will be becoming more and more of a contender

  20. LeafsFTW17 says:

    lol I'd do that.

  21. LeafsFTW17 says:

    I think Schenn should be with phaneuf. Schenn can stay back when Phaneuf decides to rush or go for the game changing open ice hit.

  22. canucks4thecup says:

    There is no way Boston trades Seguin….

  23. mojo19 says:

    well you figure he'll have some 3rd line ice time. Even the other night he got PP ice time and got a great assist. Once he's more established he could get around 12-13 minutes.

  24. mojo19 says:

    Ya I'm against spending money on a UFA defensman, but I have to admit that is a sweet looking blueline. Wouldn't mind it if we can't land Richards.

  25. mojo19 says:

    I also like the idea of giving injury plagued Markov a 1 year deal at a reasonable price.

  26. palindrom says:

    Just image another team in the 28 other offer a bit more than your offer.

    Now are you willing to improve your offer or let it go?

  27. nordiques100 says:

    right team, wrong defenceman they'd sign.

    in all likelihood, the Leafs go after Bieska if they're interested in someone from the Canucks D who is a free agent.

    Burke/Nonis gave Bieska his start and always liked him. and the way he play such a gritty, in your face game, that's your "truculence and pugnacity" that Leaf management is so high on.

    While Ehrhoff is a very productive player who is pretty solid in all areas, I just can't see the Leafs signing a Euro at big money.

  28. nordiques100 says:

    ……..other than Markov b/c of his connection with Komisarek. and cause i think AM would come at a low term.

    Ehrhoff is a fine player, and i'd like to have him too cause i think he'd help in a big way….at least he's learned to hit the net with his shots.

    but sadly, i see this $$ and more importantly these days, term, going to Bieska.

    and i can't see them burying their "A" guy Komi.

    he's here to stay………sadly. He is useless. but, maybe if they get markov, that will help him as they had terrific chemistry.

  29. Leafs_the_word says:

    I don't see why everyone thinks Komisarek will get a free pass, he's had his minutes cut drastically, he's been put in a limited role and Burke needs to make this team better. Komisarek loses his job before Burke.

    I have to believe that Burke is upset with the status quo, Bieska is another status quo move.

  30. HABSRULEFOREVER says:

    Markov wants to stay in Montreal… unsure why you guys think Toronto has a chance to get him.. if not Montreal I'm sure he'll head to Washington, cause he has alot of Russian buddies on that team…

  31. Leafs_the_word says:

    Not to mention management destroyed the Leafs to accommodate the belief that they could build around Sundin, that a player of his 'character' deserved a winner, we didn't rebuild for years as long as he stayed.  If anything Mats owed the organization.

    I really hate that guy, not as a hockey player but as a person.

  32. dumbassdoorman says:

    Because every team has a chance to sign a UFA. Sometimes friendships do factor into where a guy ends up. But it may end up being a team who gives him more than a one yr deal, even if the second or third are options. The other reason is what teams maybe willing to give based on cap space.

  33. dumbassdoorman says:

    So Wilson says we should not read too much into Beauch not playing much as he is a little banged up. Hmmmm, he just seems to competitive to sit on the bench if thats the case.

  34. hockey_lover says:

    Sweet. He wants to stay in Montreal. But is he willing to do it for $3mil a season? Cause thats the only move that makes sense for Montreal.

    The guy has missed 120 games over the last 3 seasons, 15 in 05/06, 13 in 03/04, 26 in 01/02, and 20 in 00/01 (although, Im not sure if he was a regular that season). Thats an average of 20 games a season.

    The guy is like Havlat or Gaborik .. TONS of talent but a body made of swiss cheese. He isnt worth the risk of anothe $6mil multi year contract anymore.

    If Im Montreal, I offer him $3.5 for 1 year and see what happens. Otherwise, let him walk. Its not worth the risk.

  35. nordiques100 says:

    Its cause Komi has a NMC and thus to me, a buyout is the only recourse. he can decline any trade, he cannot be demoted without his permission.

    and, if today's koolaid flavor is "protecting the players" as someone suggested Burke is doing with Kaberle, then demoting him or "forcing" Komisarek out the door is hypocritical.

    Thus, i sadly think Komi gets a free pass despite the fact he can't make a 1st pass out of the zone.

  36. dumbassdoorman says:

    I wonder if he would be healthier playing with a bigger team so to speak? I mean i know knee injuries happen, but it has to make you wonder, doesn't it? Oh and bet you are hsppy about your boy Staal, eh?

  37. Leafs_the_word says:

    You make him a healthy scratch long enough then a demotion is less humiliating.

  38. Leafs420 says:

    yes trading our best player so far this year is a great proposal good job 🙂 and you calling me some burned out pot head is an intellectual response yes good job again 🙂 

    why get rid of our best players because we are having a bad year if we kept doing that we will be stuck in the endless loop. Grabovski was never a bad player his first full season in the NHL 20 goals sophomore year he had a little slump plus he missed 23 games and now his third full year as a regular hes gonna be scoring 30+ goals. and to be honest the way hes been playing both offensively and defensively on a consistent basis shows many of us this isnt going to be his best year of his entire career and that he has the skill set to match it. he always had potential and was just to much of a hog on the puck to show it. no hes not a play making center but hes still a good center. whos been busting his ass all year, and im gonna laugh and you and tell you i told you so when he scores 30+ goals this year and has another productive year with the leafs next year.
    Hope this was intellectual enough for you sir big burnout i am
  39. Leafs420 says:

    i agree to everything he said above other than signing erhoff to 20 mill 4 year deal. we have a cpl very good dman comming up in our system and should use our 6th spot on one of them(next year of course) either holzer or blacker. that way we can use the 5 mill well 4.3 with holzers rookie contract and spend it on forwards where we really need it most

  40. 93killer93 says:

    I only ment i don't think it was him not waiving his NTC that made the fans angry and run him out of town.  I think of the 5 players Sundin was the one the fans would have liked to stay and resign the most. But ya i basically agree with everything you had to say, Burke takes alot of heat for it but he does take alot of pressure of his players.  I think he gets alot of respect for that and that's why we have situations now with players like Giguere where he's willing to waive his NTC out of respect for Burkie.

  41. reinjosh says:

    They take their time on IR players too. It takes forever for a guy to get injured reserve elgibility.

  42. realistic_leafs_fan says:

    What?

    First of all you said "Everyone in Toronto rolls out the red carpet for every professional athlete in the city" Now you're saying we are not talking about Larry Murphy and friends. You mentioned the red carpet for every athlete, not me. I just responded to your statement.

    Secondly, Mats was mistreated on how they handled asking him to leave. Mats never complained about a lack of talent to play with or what he got paid or the coaches he had etc etc…he was a good employee who gave a lot back to MLSE. When it came time to leave as far as MLSE was concerned, MLSE tried to publicly create hate for him from the fan base…apparently that trick worked on you. Nice treatment for a guy who spent more than a decade as the captain and is the Leafs all-time point getter as well as he never complained about MLSE no matter what they did.

    And Again, what Sundin was paid has nothing to do with anything. He is one of the few people world wide with enough talent to make the NHL and was compensated fairly for his job. So your comparison on if you were paid seven figures by a company is irrelevent. The thought is based on what you do for a living at the pay you recieve. You're honestly telling me that if you spent 30 years with a company and you are say, in your mid fifties and still needing an income…that if the company wanted you to leave to bring in some younger talent at a less price…you would be ok with that? Not Likely.

    Thirdly…"management destroyed the Leafs to accommodate the belief that they could build around Sundin"LOL… Who do you suggest they build the team around? If you don't build it around your star player, then who?
    It had nothing to do with his "character" while he was in his prime and everyone loved him…he was an elite player, that's who you build a team around. We also didn't "rebuild" because there was no salary cap for most of Sundin's career. Teams were buying championships, not drafting them.

  43. Leafs420 says:

    i agree to everything he said above other than signing erhoff to 20 mill 4 year deal. we have a cpl very good dman comming up in our system and should use our 6th spot on one of them(next year of course) either holzer or blacker. that way we can use the 5 mill well 4.3 with holzers rookie contract and spend it on forwards where we really need it most

  44. NonLeafFansAreGay says:

    LMAO

  45. HABSRULEFOREVER says:

    How do you know him and Komisarek are buddies? plus you think he'll favor Toronto because of his buddy komi, but don't you think he has buddies on the Habs? Montreal won't offer him a one year deal.. somewhere like 5yr/20-25 million… If he reinjures his knee, he'll just go back on IR.. and Monrteal will save the money and cap space.. He loved Montreal and the fans like him too.. He'll be staying..

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