Leafs and Bruins to make a deal?

The Boston Herald is reporting that the Bruins may be looking to make a trade with the Leafs.

It is rumored that the bruins have interest in the Leafs Kabrele and it is reported in the article that “One rumor had the B’s offering last year’s first-round pick, Denver University forward Joe Colborne, their 2009 No. 1 pick and a third-rounder for the multi-talented Kaberle.”

It is also noted that a deal such as this would fir in with “Chiarelli’s stated desire not to risk upsetting the chemistry of the team by trading away an incumbent player.”

HTR believes that a deal such as this may work for both teams. The Bruins would not have to give up any immediate roster layers and the Leafs would benefit from prospects and picks.

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94 Responses to Leafs and Bruins to make a deal?

  1. buds8 says:

    i hope the leafs don't make any trades at the deadline, play really well and then miss the playoffs by one point…..then all will be normal again…..lol

  2. bbruins37 says:

    leafs might get the better of this one but u still have to do it if ur the b's. after thinking about the pronger deal more i would definitely not do it if i were boston. firstly, i guaruntee the roster player will be bergeron who i couldnt stand to see leave. secondly it completely screws boston over for cap. with kaberle his price tag is unbelievably low for his talent level. yes colborne is tough to give up, and u never want to give up any picks, but its gotta be done.

    lucic – savard – kessel
    wheeler – krejci – ryder
    sobotka – bergeron – kobasew
    axelsson – yelle – thornton

    chara – ward
    wideman – ference
    kaberle – hunwick

    thomas
    fernandez

    powerplay

    savard – krejci – kessel

    chara – kaberle

    that would be scary. when kaberle is your 3rd best defenseman you know your team is good. and the kaberle to chara combination would be better than the mccabe kaberle duo. our pp which was slumping could be a hell of alot better. and if kaberle goes cold, throw wideman in.

  3. cam7777 says:

    while I hate to agree with Lafleur – and believe me, I really hate it – most of those are pretty bad. 

    Boston won't give up Kessel, as they said they won't do anything that effects team chemistry too adversely.  I believe if they are offering up a roster player, it will be Bergeron, Sturm or Sobotka.  Bergeron and Sturm have been injured enough that their presence might go unnoticed (and certainly, helped along by the addition of an elite defensemen).  It seems they have multiple younger players who could probably fill Sobotka's on-again off-again role.  I'm told that Lucic is a boston bruins legend already, and I really can't see them moving him unless it's for an absolutely one-of-a-kind type of player (ie. Lecavalier). 

    The Anaheim trade isn't too bad, just unlikely.  They are pretty high on Bobby Ryan, and rightfully so.  With only 15 mins per game he has put up point-per-game numbers.  While Stajan would look great as a 2nd line center for the Ducks, that is simply the wrong deal for both teams.

    I love the idea of acquiring JVR, but like Lafleur said, there might be cap issues there.  I really don't see the problem though, as they would only be taking on a fifth of Kaberle's salary.  Surely they can make it work somehow.  VanRiemsdyk is ideal for Burke.  A top prospect to compliment whoever he drafts this year (likely Brayden Schenn).  He is also big, and beligerent, and obstinate and all that crap.  Love to make it happen, but the mechanics need sorting. 

    Someone said yesterday that it was going to be Kaberle and Stajan to PIT for Tangradi and Staal (tank you for spelling Staal correctly by the way).  I think that's pretty fair if you throw in a 1st going to Toronto.  Stajan has actually out-performed Staal on a lesser team the last couple years, so some people see that as a risk.  It isn't a guarantee that Staal will become everything he is cracked up to be.  Even his "superstar" older brother has only a few points more than Nik Antropov this year.  Still, this trade doesn't address Pittsburgh's need for wingers in the coming years.  Gonchar is not 5 times better than Kaberle though.  They are pretty equal players, with Gonchar getting the edge.  Still, a one-two punch with those two would be pretty explosive.

  4. habswinthecup-again says:

     Haha you genius, the site was crapping out when I posted this, that is why there are 3 of the same posts. Oh and you are delusional if you really believe that Kaberle is far superior to Markov.

  5. habs79 says:

    Yes, and Kaberle is a "proven playoff performer".

  6. SpamIam says:

    Boston will not trade for Kaberle… If you are a Bruins fan, forget it. 

    Boston doesn't need a puck moving defenceman enough to impact their current roster.  The Bruins have the benefit of being tied for 1st overall.  There is no way Boston pulls the plug on this kind of deal.

    I wouldn't be surprised if Kaberle stays in Toronto.  You can't replace a guy like Kaberle along with his very affordable contract. 

  7. reinjosh says:

    i agree
    they would be stupid to trade filatov or brassard
    mason isnt going anywhere now that hes established himself as the number 1
    but if the right deal comes across (especially since this would be thier first time making the playoffs),
    voracek and/or russell will be moved

  8. habs79 says:

    Funny you mention Karberle's injury problems this year but you didn't mention Markov's injury problems 3 years ago. If you really want to compare. Them pre-lockout:

    Kaberle – 288 games, 32 goals, 209 pts, -19
    Markov – 289 games, 41 goals, 203 pts, +15
    They are very similar when it comes to offensive numbers, however Markov is better than Kaberle in his own end. After all seeing how well McCabe is doing in Florida, maybe he wasn't the inept one in that defensive pairing all along.
  9. habs79 says:

    Don't forget Kaberle's -19 and Markov's +15, also as you mention Souray's monster season don't forget McCabe's. Both are similar when it comes to producing offence, however Markov is better in his own end.

  10. bbruins37 says:

    they wouldnt pull the plug if it impacted their current roster. as it really doesnt besides benching someone like hnidy i think you have to do it

  11. habs79 says:

    First off I do agree Burke can get more than that for Kaberle, just considering how late that first rounder will be (probably no better than 25th). However you can't compare Kaberle and Pronger. Kaberle is a better puck mover, but he doesn't compare to Pronger's experience, leadership, down right nastiness, or defensive play. Secondly let's see what Anaheim gets for him now, not what a team can get for him in 2 years.

  12. NHLSlayer says:

    On another potential Kabby trade, while I was out earlier, I saw a rumour that had Kaberle heading to Carolina.  For now, I don't have the link, so consider it unsourced, and if I find the link again, I'll post it here.

    The deal had Kaberle going to the Hurricanes and joining his brother, while the Leafs would be getting Brandon Sutter, Tim Gleason, and a 1st Rd pick.

    Not sure how this trade would be accepted here, lol, so discuss amongst yourselves!

  13. mojo19 says:

    they're well on their way with this hot streak. Just 7 pts out.

  14. mojo19 says:

    Ya I could see Burke liking Brandon Sutter for sure. Tim Gleason is kind of underrated too actually, he's a solid d-man and he's how old?? 25 or something? Interesting rumour.

  15. EmbsdLeafFan says:

    One Horrable trade for the Leafs but Bruins end up getting a decent 2nd line defenceman in Kabarle.

    Bad prospect..you never know what they are going to turn out to be like…look at Steven Stamkos, 1st overall last draft but turned out to be nothing good.

    Boston's 1st rounder this year will be around 29th, a very high pick in a bad draft year, not many good talents in this one.

    A trade that would work out good I think could be:

    TOR= Patrice Bergeron, 09' 1st rounder, Zach Hamill 

  16. blaze says:

    If you actually watched any of the Leafs playoff series you'd see Kaberle played well in the playoffs despite playing playing second fiddle to vets like McCabe and Leetch.

    He's never disappeared when counted on unlike your so called number one defensenmen completely disappeared against the Bruins last playoffs.

  17. blaze says:

    Almost everything you said is wrong. Kaberle is much more than a 'decent 2nd line defenseman'.

    Joe Colborne is not a bad prospect, he has good potential.

    You actually wrote off Stamkos already cause he didn't tear it up as an 18 year old….wow.

    Finally this is supposed to be a deep draft with much good talent availble.

  18. habs79 says:

    As I recall the Habs beat the Bruins, and if you were reffering to the Flyers, you can hardly blame Markov the entire team disappeared. By the way I watched all the Leaf playoff games (I loved going to school after they lost), and watched as their goalie (Joesph, Belfour) would bail out that horrid defence (Kaberle included) time and time again.

  19. reinjosh says:

    yah you need to get out and watch some more hockey
    Stamkos is actually getting hot
    and he has at least another year to improve before you can say he isnt anything good
    colborne is a decent prospect
    kaberle in a top 2 defenceman
    though i do like you second trade
    trading hamill for colborne because we get bergeron
    decent trade

  20. Leafmonkey says:

    no i would not but the van riemsdyk for lehtonen was a rumor it would not happen and i dont think he is overrated he was 2nd overall mabey kaberle could get a first with it that would make it better but im not saying anything against kaberle i would like us to keep him im saying if he moved

  21. bbruins37 says:

    thornton had 7 pts as a rookie…although personally i do think stamkos has bust written all over him. again…this draft class is very strong.
    and that trade offer is just plain brutalwhy would the bruins give up a great young roster playerthat could be considered the bruins best all around player (besides chara) if he regains form (which he will eventually), a top prospect and a first for a 30 yr old defenseman? although he is very good

  22. cam7777 says:

    because someone has to go if they want to resign the guys who are outplaying Bergeron right now.  You can't have your cake and eat it too in the new NHL.  Kessel, Krejci, Thomas, Axelsson and more need to be resigned next year. 

    of course, the B's will try to move Sturm and maybe Kobasew before Bergeron.  But realistically, Sturm's contract is pretty bad, and no one is going to take it on without extra compensation.  You take away Kobasew, and you're taking away a vital, if not flashy, part of the team chemistyr.  Take away Bergeron, and the team has already learned how to play without him the last two seasons….

    the trade is actually more risky for the leafs.  hamill is under-sized, and despite his great skill, might not be able to translate it to the NHL.  bergeron, while you and i are in agreement that he will likely come around, may never regain his form, and is pricey at 4.75 million (and more in salary dollars).  Then, the 1st round pick is pretty crappy at 30th overall….

  23. reinjosh says:

    i would do that trade
    maybe add colborne instead of hamill
    and add a 2nd

  24. leafy says:

    No way I'd make this trade if I'm the Leafs.

    Colborne yes, ok.  But a 1st pick in 2009 will be around the no. 28th pick.  That's a crap shoot.  Could be a good player, could be a potato.  Plus a 3rd pick?

    That's not good enough for a player of Kaberle's calibre.

    I would not trade with Boston because beyond Colborne, they don't really have any blue chip prospects.

    So unless they included a player like Wheeler, which I know they won't, it's a non-starter.

    Move on.

  25. cam7777 says:

    my trade would be:

    To BOS:
    Tomas Kaberle
    To TOR:
    Patrice Bergeron, Matt Lashoff and a 1st
    (plus a conditional pick based on what round of the playoffs the team makes it to)

  26. cam7777 says:

    and do leafs fans even want Wheeler?  he's kind of a dink to do what he did to Phoenix.  Not exactly the character guy Burke is looking for. 

  27. bbruins37 says:

    although kaberle is reasonably priced and a great player, that deal is in no way fair (more fair than some of the other stuff ive been hearing but not fair). i understand ur pt about bergeron's salary but if u think about it axe shouldnt be resigned, fernandez wont be resigned. and kaberle makes almost as much as bergeron and his salary isnt coming off the books until next season anyways so when u think about it ur not saving that much salary room anyways.

  28. cam7777 says:

    kaberle makes the likes of stuart and ference expendable though, so salary can be saved elsewhere.  As it stands, the B's have 14 million to resign the 4 I mentioned.  Fernandez won't be resigned, you're right there, but in my opinion guys like Yelle and Axelsson need to be resigned.  Those are character role players, and their value gets under-appreciated at times like this, when teams see success.  look at pittsburgh's struggles without recchi, malone, roberts, laraque, ruutu, etc…

    now, it's really about how much the two main guys, Krejci and Kessel are going to want.  My guess is your going to get Kessel for Getzlaf/Perry type dollars (5.325 approx.).  Krejci on the other hand might be had for slightly less than Jeff Carter money (ie. 4.875 million).  Basically, a safe bet is  10.5 million.  Now that actually leaves enough money to resign Yelle and Axelsson, so you're right, my proposed trade isn't necessary.  however, Bergeron is a gamble.  One more concussion in the near future, and he becomes a cap liability, which could be quite bad for boston heading into the 2010/2011 season.

    i dunno, it seems like i had a point when i started this post, but the more i think about, the more i realize you're probably right.  still, my trade allows the bruins to keep guys like hamill and colborne, who have a good shot at replacing bergeron in the years to come.  and, they'll be more cap friendly when the bruins need that flexibility…

  29. reinjosh says:

    see this is what ive been saying for almost a month now
    sooner or later you are going to have to trade salary
    and its going to be bergeron unless for some unknown (and legendarily retarded) reason kessel or krejci gets dealt
    cam makes a good point about ference and stuart being made obsolete if kabby is brought in
    then you have room to sign other players
    its not a bad trade for you
    if you have to trade bergeron in the offseason
    his value is going to be seriously diminshed when teams see that the bruins are going to be cash strapped
    and then bergeron is going to be sold for nothing
    why not get someone worth it now

  30. mcpickl says:

    zero shot of that. both boston goalies are ufa so they are counting on rask for next year

  31. repetitivnegativ says:

    Kaberle is a more complete package and is so smooth skating with the puck. He is at least Markov's equal, and has better potential leadership qualities. With respect, I'm a big fan of both player's.

  32. cam7777 says:

    yea, that's what i was trying to say.  someone is going to have to go before the end of next season, and it seems to me that bergeron is the most obvious choice.  and like you said, if you wait till then, potential trade partners will have a huge leg up in negotiations. 

    for the leafs, it's a big gamble because who really knows how bergeron will progress over the next two years.  he could become a total bust post-concussion, and the leafs will have given up their best player in the midst of his prime….

  33. repetitivnegativ says:

    . . . and what about Byron Bitz?

  34. leafy says:

    He's really developed this year, but sure, there's nothing stopping him from bolting to another team when he's a UFA one day. That might play into Burke's thinking as he explores trades.

  35. reinjosh says:

    yah thats a good point
    but i would be willing to take that chance
    hes just too talented to let a chance like that go

  36. bbruins37 says:

    lol good point hes been tearing it up

  37. bbruins37 says:

    i see what ur saying but i agree with the post above me: he is way too talented to trade away now and have him come back (on a division rival) and make uspay for it. and i disagree about yelle and axelsson. we have alot of 3rd/4th line players waiting (bitz, nokie, hamill, karsums, sobotka, maybe marchand soon?). if we can get yelle back for a year at about 1 mil then great. if not, he can walk. axe, as it pains me to say bc he is a great defensive player and great bruin, is def expenndable. and still the pt remains about kaberle being signed next yr too so that wouldnt play into the krejci/kessel dilemma. also i doubt kessel will be getting that kind of money. realistically i can see both at maybe just over 4.5 as they really only have had one season as precedent. i might be wrong on this because i dont know many other deals that have been made like this but as bergie got 4.75 after being better than both krejci and kessel in his first 3 seasons i would expect it to be less.

  38. bbruins37 says:

    i see what ur saying but i agree with the post above me: he is way too talented to trade away now and have him come back (on a division rival) and make uspay for it. and i disagree about yelle and axelsson. we have alot of 3rd/4th line players waiting (bitz, nokie, hamill, karsums, sobotka, maybe marchand soon?). if we can get yelle back for a year at about 1 mil then great. if not, he can walk. axe, as it pains me to say bc he is a great defensive player and great bruin, is def expenndable. and still the pt remains about kaberle being signed next yr too so that wouldnt play into the krejci/kessel dilemma. also i doubt kessel will be getting that kind of money. realistically i can see both at maybe just over 4.5 as they really only have had one season as precedent. i might be wrong on this because i dont know many other deals that have been made like this but as bergie got 4.75 after being better than both krejci and kessel in his first 3 seasons i would expect it to be less.

  39. bbruins37 says:

    i see what ur saying but i agree with the post above me: he is way too talented to trade away now and have him come back (on a division rival) and make uspay for it. and i disagree about yelle and axelsson. we have alot of 3rd/4th line players waiting (bitz, nokie, hamill, karsums, sobotka, maybe marchand soon?). if we can get yelle back for a year at about 1 mil then great. if not, he can walk. axe, as it pains me to say bc he is a great defensive player and great bruin, is def expenndable. and still the pt remains about kaberle being signed next yr too so that wouldnt play into the krejci/kessel dilemma. also i doubt kessel will be getting that kind of money. realistically i can see both at maybe just over 4.5 as they really only have had one season as precedent. i might be wrong on this because i dont know many other deals that have been made like this but as bergie got 4.75 after being better than both krejci and kessel in his first 3 seasons i would expect it to be less.

  40. bbruins37 says:

    lol whoops

  41. cam7777 says:

    or refusing to play until he's traded to a team of his choosing…which would mean we'd practically have to give him away.  in that case though, burke would probably gladly just ride out his contract and let him rot. 

  42. cletedawg says:

    actually the draft is so deep this year that david rundblad a very good defenceman is expected to go around 28th just to prove the depth in this years draft.

  43. reinjosh says:

    if you look at staal (as just under kessel)
    he made 4 million this year and kessel over the last 3 seasons has been better than him
    he can easily get 4.5 – 5.5 million
    and krejci who is doing really well, can easily get 5 – 6 million
    thats just the way the salaries have gone
    look at tom gilbert
    one good season and he got 3.5 million
    finger got 3.5 million
    unless chiarelli can work his magic
    (which even if he did , both would be at lke 4 or 4.5 million)
    you are going to have troubles next year
    and bergeron would be the choice to go now
    like cam said
    the bruins have already learned to play without him(and were amazing)
    and you could translate him into a nice addition for the playoffs, or to replace other players
    you wont get the price you want for him in the summer
    and by then it wil be to late

  44. leafsnation89 says:

    not bad but not great either, we need to remember that this years 1st rounder is going to be really late in the round.

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