Leafs could win now, and in the future by doing this:

Future and present.

Trade Kubina and our 2nd round pick Oilers for the 6th overall and a 4th round pick.
McCabe, and Stajan for the Islanders 08 4th round pick and their 09 1st round pick pick. (Tavares draft year cool.gif)

Trade our 13th overall, Harrison, Another 2nd-3rd liner prospect and our two 4th round picks for Washington’s 5th overall.
Sign Hannan at 4 million 3 years.
Foresberg at 4 mill 1 year.
Sellanne at 3 mill 1year.
Smyth at 6 mill 3 years.
Bring in Stralman.
Sign Cujo for 2 years, 1 mill.
Resign Peca for 1 million.


Smyth/Sundin/Steen 12 mill_____85-95 goals as a line
Tucker/Foresberg/Sellanne 10 mill_____70-80 goals as a line
Poni/Wellwood/Antropov 5 mill_____50-60 goals as a line
Kilger/Peca/Pohl 4 mill_____25-35 goals as a line
Williams or Tlusty or Kulimen

Offense Total Salary 31


Kaberle/Hannan 9 mill_____15-20 goals
Colaiacovo/Stralman 3 mill_____15-20 goals
White/Gill 3 mill_____10-15 goals

Defense Total Salary: 15


Cujo/Rayrcoft 3 million

Team Salary 47 million

Team Total Goals 300

Average Goals PG 3.658 Goals PG





5th overall
6th overall
08 4th round pick
Extra 2009 1st round pick

That is great for now, and in the future. We completely add to our offense making it one of the best in the league, Having 3 all star veterans who can be takng important face offs, and be a clutch leader, and another in his prime, can show of to Wellwood, Steen, Pohl and practictly the rest of the offense. Keep our penalty killer Peca and Kilger to do their stuff on ther penalty kill. Bring up Stralman and sign a defensive Defense, while still having Colaiacovo, Kaberle and White and maybe Stralman to still produce offense, and get a pretty good back veteran back up who can teach Raycroft, have 3 extra 1st round picks (2 of which in the top 6) which we can get players like Gagner or other players with the skill level like him and still have atleast 1 million $ left to spend.

What do you think?

38 Responses to Leafs could win now, and in the future by doing this:

  1. Peca4PM says:

    Its intereting to be sure. The fact is it wont happen, Forsberg will get more than 4, Selanne more than3, Peca more than 1, Smyth wants mmore than 3 yrs and not all these trtades may be accepted, also this yrs team would be very old, ans asll those 1 year contracts would run 0ut then next yr, r those prospects rede or do they need time to grow. I think it is interestiong, more interesting than most ideas i have read, but there is too much that needs to go right for this to happen

  2. Glucker says:


  3. Glucker says:

    that being said, i'm sure you put time into this article, but no offense, not much thought, the signings are way off

  4. BrianColangeloNHLGM says:

    Yo I heard rumblings that Gretzky want to come out of retirement, and he wants to come to the Leafs… So you should put him on that list!!

  5. curtman96 says:

    Wow how original….I have only heard that joke maybe 100 times on this board.

  6. LeafyMcLeaf says:

    You're such a retard.

  7. lukeleim says:

    Trade Hal Gill, Ben Ondrus, Jay Harrison and John Pohl to the Vancouver Canucks for Matt Cooke and Michael Grabner

    Sign Ryan Smyth 6 million, Mathieu Garon 1.5 million, A. J. Thelen 550,000

    Let Travis Green, Yanic Perreault, Jean-Sebastien Aubin, Bates Battaglia and Jeff O'Neill test UFA

    Alexei Ponikarovsky – Mats Sundin – Nik Antropov
    Ryan Smyth – Kyle Wellwood – Darcy Tucker
    Alexander Steen – Matt Stajan – Boyd Devereaux
    Chad Kilger – Michael Peca – Matt Cooke
    Kris Newbury – Wade Belak
    Prospects: Brent Aubin, Nikolai Kulemin, Jiri Tlusty, Jeremy Williams, Michael Grabner, Robbie Earl

    Tomas Kaberle – Pavel Kubina
    Bryan McCabe – Carlo Colaiacovo
    Andy Wozniewski – Ian White
    Staffan Kronwall

    Prospects: Dimitri Vorobiev, Phil Oreskovic, Anton Stralman, A. J. Thelen

    Andrew Raycroft
    Mathieu Garon
    Justin Pogge

  8. Mandrewz says:

    Although I don't think much (if any) of what you presented will actually happen, I am of the opinion that the Leafs do NOT need to blow up their team in order to have a winning franchise.  With a few good offseason moves the Leafs could find themselves in playoff contention next year, and despite popular opinion, I believe if they keep going in the direction they have been in terms of letting the young guys develop (Steen, Wellwood, Poni, Stajan, Pohl, Collaiacovo, White) and they keep drafting well (Tlusty, Kulemin, Earl, Stralman, Oreskovich, Pogge) they will have a cup contender soon. 
    The priority this year is to sign 1 top-line winger (Smyth, Bertuzzi, or Zubrus), a 2nd or 3rd line winger (Hartnell, Peca, or Roberts), and a back-up goalie (Garon or Esche). We have the cap room, especially if we could trade McCabe or Kubina, and with those additions we would have a strong team next year that would almost certainly get into the post season and maybe even go somewhere once they are in.
    Then next year we can hopefully sign Joe Thornton to a multi-year deal (there's a chance because he is an Ontario native and we will have the cap room if we do not re-sign Sundin) and bring Kulemin and Stralman into the fold and all of a sudden we have a pretty good line-up.
    See, it's so incredibly simple…: )
    Now get it done JFJ!

  9. lukeleim says:

    Best possible bargain UFA's 2007-2008:

    Vitaly Vishnevski 1.2-1.5 million
    Brandon Bochenski 800,000-1.1 million
    Michael Ryan 600,000-900,000
    Jeff Friesen 800,000-1 million
    Scott Walker 1.8 million-2.5 million
    Josef Vasicek 800,000-1 million
    David Tanabe 800,000-1.2 million
    Bryan Berard 1 million-1.5 million
    Patrik Stefan 1 million-1.5 million
    Todd Bertuzzi 2 million-3 million
    Mathieu Garon 1.5 million-2 million
    Martin Skoula 1.2 million-1.8 million
    Todd White 1.5 million- 2.2 million
    David Aebischer 1.2 million-1.8 million
    Paul Kariya 3.5 million-4.5 million
    Mike York 1.8 million-2.2 million
    Robert Esche 1.2 million-1.8 million
    Curtis Joseph 800,000-1.2 million
    Alexander Mogilny 650,000-1.1 million
    Jeremy Roenick 500,000-800,000
    Gary Roberts 1 million-2 million
    Mark Recchi 1.5 million-2.2 million
    Radek Dvorak 1 million-1.8 million
    Michael Peca 1.5 million-2 million
    Bates Battaglia 750,000-1 million
    Trevor Linden 600,000-1 million
    Jeff Cowan 600,000-800,000

    Worst bargain UFA's 2007-2008:
    Ryan Smyth 6 million-7 million actual worth: 5.5 million
    Chris Drury 6 million-7.2 million actual worth: 5.2 million
    Daniel Briere 6.5 million-maximum actual worth: 6 million
    Scott Gomez 6 million-7 million actual worth: 5.5 million
    Michal Handzus 3.5 million-5 million actual worth: 3 million
    Sheldon Souray 4.5 million-6 million actual worth: 4 million
    Scott Hartnell 3 million-4.5 million actual worth: 2 million
    Scott Hannan 4 million-5 million actual worth: 3 million

  10. fernz says:

    yah ok like that would ever happen…hahaha!

  11. Hoondog2 says:

    The Leafs need gap fillers for 1 more year before impact players such as Tlusty and Kulemin start to graduate to the big club.  The Leafs should be looking at 1 year deals until next year.

    Trade McCabe to NYI for Hunter and pick/picks.
    Trade Pohl to move up in the draft.
    Sign Peca and Bertuzzi to 1 year deals
    Sign a good backup for 1 year.

    Tucker               Sundin                Bertuzzi
    Antro.                Welly                  Ponik.
    Steen                Stajan                 Hunter
    Kilger                 Peca                   Devereaux

    Kaberle                Kubina
    Colaiacovo            White
    Gill                      Kronwall

    (Cujo, Weekes)

    This team gets the Leafs in the playoffs, and valuble experience for next year.

    It is not unrealistic to think next years team could look like this

    Sundin              Thornton              Bertuzzi
    Antro.               Wellwood             Ponik.
    Steen                 Stajan                Tucker
    Kulemin              Tlusty                 Hunter

    Kaberle                 Kubina
    Colaiacovo             White
    Stralman               Kronwall


    This team could compete with anybody!

    I'm not saying this would happen, but we would have the freedom to pursue these kind of options.

  12. JuicemaN says:

    Oh my god stop posting this damn message on every topic…

  13. Glucker says:

    *takes a second look at article*


    sorry man, but…wow, moving both McCabe AND Kubina? Signing Hannan for 4 mill is saving 1 mill(compared to Kubina that is, McCabe should be moved and your trade seems fairly good, but what are teh chances Islanders will have the #1 overall?)…but he's not as good as Kubina, so it's 1 mill of defense gone.

    Selanne is making only 1 mill right now because he wanted to win with the Ducks… he's gonna get 5 mill at least, if he doesnt stay with Anaheim or retire.

    Smyth knows he's in the late stages of his career, powerforwards don't last that long in the league, especially when they play like him, so he wants a long term contract, i think he wants a long term contract more then one that averages a lot over a short period…he won't go for a 3 year contract… maybe if you gave him 7 years he'd sign for under 6… with a NMC ofcourse. I'd love to have him on the team, but pre-lockout. Now, with the contract he'll be getting, he'd hurt the team.

    Forsberg got 5.75 last year and was near a point per game, ppl are gonna pay lots for him, if he doesn't retire or want to return to Philly. the problem is that he's easily injured… he's still gonna get 5+ mill because he's worth it when he's healthy, he's a gamble.

    and line-up wise, I'd put Selanne in Steen's place right there….cuz…wow…skill-wise…NO comparison…

    and Kulemin is in Russia next year

  14. BieksaForMVP says:

    Wow the Canuck's obviously wants to trade the team's heart, and an outstanding offensive prospect for an overpaid only good for the PK defender, two career 4th liner's, and a depth defender. Yeah the canuck's need a defensemen.

    Nonnis has said many time's that he wants to tarde our system for a bunch of crap player's.

  15. BieksaForMVP says:

    Was that serious? I thought it was a pretty good joke.

    That's most ridiculous post in a long time.


    Since every team scored 300 goals last year that leaf's all star roster will too.

    You got your salaries wrong too. All of those player's will make more then you signed them for, and the total was 49 million not 47.

    Oh god lol wow.

  16. Glucker says:

    and you thought my lineup ideas where bad XD

  17. Glucker says:

    and Kubina ain't garbage… I'd take him over any Canuk D-man

  18. Glucker says:


  19. Hoondog2 says:

    that wouldn't be bad either

  20. Toonces99 says:

    Great Response…..look who calling out the kettle….moron.

  21. BieksaForMVP says:

    Ok Kubina isn't garbage. Let me try that again…he's on overpaid defensemen.

    Like Ottawa, the Canuck's defense is a group, and everyone of them can play like a #3 atleast. Mitchell stops the goal's, Salo score's the goals, and Bieksa and Ohlund start the goal's.

    Also Bieksa (no biasedness from my name) is a very good two way defender, and is probably going to be better then Kubina by the end of next season.

  22. BieksaForMVP says:

    Pohl won't move your 1st rounder any higher. Maybe if you him and your 3rd rounder, you might move up 3 or 4 spot's, but Pohl has about the value of a 4th or 5th rounder.

  23. Glucker says:

    yea he probably will, but i think TO's D is very much the same, every1 can play #3 at least, and 3 of them can(and should) play #1, not to mention Colaiacovo and White are going to be #2 material by the end of next year

  24. keyzero says:

    i can't believe what I'm reading.
    like seriously.

    Trade Kubina and our 2nd round pick Oilers for the 6th overall and a 4th round pick.
    McCabe, and Stajan for the Islanders 08 4th round pick and their 09 1st round pick pick. (Tavares draft year cool.gif)

    so oilers wants an overpaid defensemen in exchange for their 6th overall…?
    McCabe to Isles for their 1st rounder…?

    in your dreams…seriously.  Like you're just dumping salaries to other teams.

    Sign Hannan at 4 million 3 years.
    Foresberg at 4 mill 1 year.
    Sellanne at 3 mill 1year.
    Smyth at 6 mill 3 years.
    Bring in Stralman.
    Sign Cujo for 2 years, 1 mill.
    Resign Peca for 1 million.

    i can see hannan getting more than 4mil offered by a retarded GM ie: Isles
    Foresberg will get more than 4mil
    selanne will not go anywhere. he'll stay in anaheim
    smyth i believe wants more than a 3 year deal
    stralman…not sure who he is
    cujo for 2 years. maybe that. sure go for it. he's kinda old.
    peca will get more thna 1mil.

    man I thought leafs fans are better than that!
    or atleast i hope other leaf fans arent like you….-__-

  25. lukeleim says:

    Pohl has the potential to become an average 2nd liner, more likely a third line center. Ondrus has heart which is one of your arguments for not trading cooke. Harrison will likely be a 5th or 6th defender. The UFA's are all overpriced, Gill would be a steal considering the Canucks are looking for a solid defensive defenseman. Outstanding offensive prospect?? Grabner will be no more than an average 2nd line scorer… he struggled this year.

  26. KingCanada says:

    Selanne's 2006/07 salary 3.750 million, not 1.0 btw.. pretty sure that was his salary in 2005/06 tho

  27. KingCanada says:

    You throw first round picks around like if they were nothing, u definatly missed the boat when the NEW NHL came around buddy, that doesnt happen in todays cap world, teams dont give those up very easily, not until the deadline anyway.. and even at that they WOULD NOT give them up so lightly.

    PS to get Tavares the NYI would have to be bottom basement or bottom 5 and win the lotery, if their trading for McCabe its to win NOT to rebuild and loose, think logically man..  this is assuming Tavares is still the #1 ranked prospect that year (we all saw wat happenned to Esposito…could happen to Tavares, unlikely tho)

  28. Aetherial says:


    Any chance Dallas could be talked into giving up Turco for McCabe or Kubina + a pick and a prospect?

    I don't imagine so, unfortunately.

    How about Vokoun for McCabe + 1st? Nashville could use someone to replace Timonen. On the other hand, if Nashville didn't want to sign Timonen, then they likely would not want McCabe either

    *sigh*… I think the Leafs are stuck with Raycroft and not much hope.

  29. BieksaForMVP says:

    I don't think anyone can be an achor like Pronger on Toronto or Vancouver (with the exception of kabbi) but I think we have 4 d man who are #2's, and you guys have a #1, two #2's, and like you said White and Coliachavo will be good player's by the end of the year.

  30. Glucker says:

    oh, holy shit, he averaged 6.0 on this contract… DAMN YOU FORCASTER!!! nhlnumbers.com for me from now on…

  31. Glucker says:

    lol, i dont think the Leafs should move their D anymore… they wont find any1 equal at a lower price… Vancover and TO may just come out with the best defenses in the league by the time this UFA season is over

  32. LEAFS877 says:

    Im confused
    Is this actually what you think is going to happen, or are you just having a crack dream?

    So your assuming that Stralman and Kulemin will make the leafs roster.
    And your assuming that JFJ makes 2 blockbuster trades that involve McCabe waiving his no trade clause and the Oliers accepting Kubina's big fat contract.

    Oh, and on top of that you think that JFJ will squeeze Selanne, Smyth, Cujo, Hannan, and Forsberg into the Leafs remaining cap room.

    Im sure!

    Aren't you forgetting something?
    JFJ is our GM so don't expect our team to improve much this off-season.

    I mean how good can the leafs be if Poni and Antropov are playing on the first line?

    This is probably all thats going to happen this offseason:
    Cujo or Garon signed.
    Gomez or someone like Gomez (Not Ryan Smyth) signed.
    Stralman maybe.
    Coliacovo, Peca, Battaglia, and Green Resigned.
    Oneil played awful so hopefully he'll be gone along with Aubin and Perrault.

    And if the team avoids injuries they'll be set for their third mediocre year in a row.

  33. Glucker says:

    no… we'll probably get Smyth, not Gomez, and Green will not be back, he was a waiver claim to attempt to bring some stability with the PK, but he is far past his time

  34. BieksaForMVP says:


  35. BieksaForMVP says:

    Pohl is a depth player. Don't overrate him. THE CANUCK'S DON'T NEED A DEFENSIVE D MAN!!!! Were gonna have to let go of Sopel, because we have too many defender's. Ondrus might have heart and soul, but Cooke can actually play. WE DON'T WANT HARRISON WERE LOADED WITH DEFENSEMEN!!! Grabne rmight not be an "outstanding" prospect, but has 1st line potential, and scored 39 goals in the WHL playing on a mediocore team, and while playing injuried.

  36. LEAFS877 says:

    what makes you think we'll get Smyth?

    He turned down a 5.5 million dollar deal with the Oilers and you think that he's going to take a deal with Toronto that's in the same price range.

    The only way i see Smyth possibly coming here is if JFJ dumps one of the leafs' fat contracts in the process, and i don't think that it's gonna happen this summer.

    Besides, Smyth isn't worth 6 – 7 mill anyway.

  37. mojo19 says:

    Particularly Peca @ 1 mil and wooing Selanne out of Anaheim (and retirement?) to play for 3 mil.

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