Leafs give up on Sundin! Armstrong best Leafs Captain Ever!

The wheels have fallen off and this season appears to be gone. Leafs Nation is calling for blood, starting from the top down, or down up, or anything to prove that MLSE wants to win a cup. I agree with my fellow Leafs fans, change is required now, but I must say that I do not agree with people still defending Sundin.

It’s not just about winning games Leafs Nation, it’s about winning a cup. Leafs fans continue and unfortunately will continue to support a team that is not driven to win a Stanley Cup.

I grew up playing hockey and the goal was always to win a championship. Even playing street hockey as a youngster, the goal was to pretend winning the cup.

Which leads me to the main point. Mats Sundin, arguably the best offensive Leafs player of all time has repeatedly said he does not want to leave Toronto, it is his home, he wants to finish his career here and reap the benefits of Toronto hockey popularity. A cup could be waiting for him in Pittsburgh, Detroit, or Anaheim, but this does not interest him. And with the hapless state of the Leafs it is obvious he will not win a cup in Toronto.

I respect Sundin for his abilities and his love for Leafs Nation.

What I cannot take anymore is this: it was Yzerman as captain who won the cup, not Federov; it was Sakic as Captain who won the cup, not Forsberg; it was Neidermayer as captain who won the cup, not Selanne (and not Alfredsson); it was Scott Stevens; it was Mark Messier; it was Wayne Gretzky; it was Guy Carbonneau; it was Mario Lemieux; it was Rod Brindamour; it was Vincent Lecavalier; and yes Leafs Nation it was George Armstrong in 1967, the GREATEST LEAFS CAPTAIN OF ALL TIME.

It will be Sydney Crosby who wins a cup; and Patrick Kane; and Joe Thornton; and maybe even Jerome Iginla.

It has not been Pavel Bure; or Alex Mogliny; or Borje Salming.

It’s not about the name on the back of the Jersey Mats, you play for the symbol on the front. Mr. Armstrong brought the Leafs 4 Stanley cups to be exact. Darryl Sittler was the first of 2 Leafs who got over 100 points in a season (and 10 points in a game), the second was Doug Gilmour, not you Mats. Rick Vaive was the first of 2 to score 50 goals, Dave Andreychuk was second, sorry not you Mats!

Even the current Leafs prove this game in and game out. Teams are always taking shots at Sundin and yet no other Leafs come to help. Anyone remember what recently happened when Anaheim thought that the Leafs took a run at Perry?

I hate taking away Sundin’s thunder as one of the best Leafs ever but he is not the captain that is capable of bringing a cup here. Toronto needs a cup not a money player who averages a point a game as his best qualification.

Sign Sundin for 3 more years and 3 more years will come without a cup.



261 Responses to Leafs give up on Sundin! Armstrong best Leafs Captain Ever!

  1. 92-93 says:

    i used to feel bad about cherring for them to lose.

    but this has nothing to do with loyalty.

    we've been fans for too long to see this song and dance again and again.

    we may disagree on a lot of things, but this is just so blatantly obvious.

    again: best case scenario is back-to-back regulation losses against Buffalo and NJ on the weekend … and TB beats the Pens and Sens the next two nights (hard to do but possible), and the Bruins and Rangers each win in OT in their home-and-home weekend set.

    just from a psychological perspective …
    14. Toronto 18-23-8, 44 pts … and likely 8 pts out of 8th
    15. Tampa Bay 19-24-5, 43 pts … one game in hand on Toronto

    not to mention statistical perspective.

    On Monday, Fletcher gets back from his vaction and/or another name like Smith, MacLean, Taylor, etc is contacted.

    thats all i've got nords… that's all i can hold onto.

  2. arigold says:

    You are a complete dumbass.  You just answered your own question.  Canadians are more represented in the NHL than any other country.  That is why Canadian captains have such a great record of winning the Stanley Cup you idiot.  They do better because they are heavily represented, not because Europeans are incapable of being good Captains.  Think about it please.

  3. KingCanada says:

    Im usually pretty good with spelling but for some reason i always mispelle Kaberle (must be the french in me lol)

    Anyways Gill is a much better player then Berg buddy, he is our main PK player and he is big and has plenty of reach.  Hes a good defensive defenseman.  He also has decent numbers.  At the same time he is relatively cheap at 2 million, u get what you pay for.

    And as for the 3 kids (Welly, Staj and Steen) they ALL have value, their young players with lots of potential, most teams would jump on them if any were available.

  4. BruMagnus says:

    In fact, in one of my previous comments, I wrote about nature/nurture, how it's definitely nurture, and I wonder if nature or not (though I doubt it).

    So really, you've got it all wrong. You've never understood what I was saying and have been putting words in my mouth.

  5. BruMagnus says:

    I'm not backpeddling. Once again you misinterpretated what I was saying and don't have the maturity to own up when you are wrong.

    In fact, in one of my previous comments, I wrote about nature/nurture, how it's definitely nurture, and I wonder if nature or not (though I doubt it).
    I was also OBVIOUSLY talking about NHL leadership as a result of this! But you couldn't think outside the box (something I accuse you of many times).

    So really, you've got it all wrong. You've never understood what I was saying and have been putting words in my mouth.

  6. BruMagnus says:

    In fact, I searched and searched and found NOTHING of yours posted until after I had repeatedly asked you for an answer. I did the work but it came up with no results, so I wanted to ask you clearly so you could answer again. Sadly you ignored it and made me look for an answer that doesn't exist! Great job.

  7. BruMagnus says:

    In fact, I searched and searched and found NOTHING of yours posted until after I had repeatedly asked you for an answer. I did the work but it came up with no results, so I wanted to ask you clearly so you could answer again. Sadly you ignored it and made me look for an answer that doesn't exist! Great job.

    I'm not lazy, I looked like crazy. I'm not scared. I know you didn't have an answer that was your own ideas. You should have been able to simply repost what it was you supposedly wrote to any of my numerous similar questions, but you never had an answer so you didn't.

  8. 92-93 says:

    again, easy response:

    youve only (after many hours and refining of your comments) stumbled onto the nature-nuture thing, which itself is very problematic.

    but INITIALLY – and that is what i am talking about here – you stated blatantly racist comments – not UNIQUE to you.

  9. 92-93 says:

    answer (short version – you can do the work and look it up): each of those 5 teams had unique circumstances that had nothing to do with the ethnic makeup of those players.

    for a more meatier version of that – go back and read for yourself.

  10. 92-93 says:

    I JUST GAVE YOU THE ANSWER!

    A SHORTENED VERSION OF WHAT WAS TYPED (OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN) BUT AN ANSWER NONETHELESS.

    YOU HAVE TO BE STUPID, BLIND, OR INCREDIBLY SCARED AND IMMATURE TO NOT HAVE READ OR EVEN ACKNOWLEDGED THE EXISTENCE OF MY ANSWERS TO YOUR QUESTIONS.

  11. 92-93 says:

    you are hopeless. its that simple.

    its like speaking to a wall but worse: youre a wall with a serious insecurity and ego problem.

    how else can you explain an inability on your part to acknowledge answers and responses that i have given to you? how else to explain your behaviour on other threads where you arrogantly grace us with your presence in a style of argument that is immature at best?

    how else can you explain a racist mindset that has been watered down and backpeddled into drivel that has so many holes in it that it is not even funny?

    how else can you explain the cut-and-paste type responses that – again – DO NOT ACKNOWLEDGE my own respones to your queries?

    arrogance, ego, and a very small-minded and low-IQ all explain what we've seen from you in this thread. its all there in black and white.

    anyone reading our threads who may even agree with what you are saying (and i believe there are plenty out there who are ignorant enough to agree with the content you spew a la Cherry) … WOULD STILL BE COMPLETELY BAFFLED by the FORM in which you choose to wrap that content in.

    they would see my responses to your answers and then your subsequent responses asking 'where's the answer?!' and wonder if you have sh#t for brains.

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