Could Leafs Land Ryan Getzlaf?

He could be available. But, there will be a fair amount of interest in him and he won’t come cheap.”

That was the opinion of a prominent Western Conference executive when I wondered, this week, whether Anaheim Ducks would trade potential free agent Ryan Getzlaf. Depending on the night, and the person with whom you speak, Leafs’ biggest priority is an established goalie or depth and size at centre. They may need both, though it appears James Reimer is regaining the confidence and poise he had as a rookie two seasons ago. More time is needed to confirm that, but Leafs demand for a big body up the middle is irrefutable.

The addition of a beefy, talented pivot could dramatically influence the Leafs plan of attack. The club has been devoid of a legitimate, No. 1 centre since Mats Sundin left after the 2007-08 season. Without such a commodity, it would appear reasonable for general manager David Nonis to consider moving Phil Kessel before the NHL trade deadline this year. If Leafs were to land such an imposing presence as Getzlaf, hanging on to Kessel – and his finishing touch – would make a great deal more sense.

Question is, of course, how could the Leafs acquire Getzlaf and under what condition would it be worthwhile? Anaheim GM Bob Murray has made it known he’d like to retain Getzlaf, but the Ducks are also at risk of losing Corey Perry to free agency at the end of this season. Beyond the financial implication, locking up both on multi-year contracts may not be feasible, given that Anaheim has accomplished virtually nothing since winning the Stanley Cup in 2007 (twice missing the playoffs and only once advancing beyond the opening round). If Murray is left with a choice, retaining Perry – the Hart Trophy recipient in 2010-11 – would seem to be a priority.

35 Responses to Could Leafs Land Ryan Getzlaf?

  1. nordiques100 says:

    I don’t know how they could do it through trade as it could probably cost Toronto their 1st round pick or Jake Gardiner or in fact both assets + more, even for a rental. At least that is what Anaheim will definitely ask for.

    I guess the comparisons would be Marian Hossa and Ilya Kovalchuk.

    Hossa went for Esposito, a 1st, Armstrong and Christiansen.
    Kovalchuk went for Cormier, a 1st, a 2nd, Oduya, Bergfors.

    Now, it doesn’t seem like a lot now, after the fact, but each player netted a late 1st rounder + a former first rounder plus another decent asset/NHLer.

    While the Leafs could definitely offer the ok NHL and a former 1st, their 1st round pick is no guarantee to be a late pick. That’s the kind of risk the team cannot take. Especially after last season where they were 5th and then fell all the way down to near last in the conference.

    I think i’d take my chances at unrestricted free agency to see if Getzlaf is there still. If both Getzlaf and Perry are there, then that’s the big home run Nonis needs to go for and at all costs. Max term with high dollars. The Leafs have the cap to do it….and Bell/Rogers with the money also have I think the thirst for this kind of move that the Teachers were hesitant to do. And we know the former GM wouldn’t do as it went against his silly beliefs.

    Thats what i am waiting for. To see if the Leafs would go after such talents, or will they settle with the Kubina’s, the Jason Blakes, the Hal Gills, The Beauchemins, the Connolly’s the Komisarek’s of the world. The sign for the sake of signing a guy signings.

    It would be a first for the Leafs since Cujo that the team would sign a big name in his prime free agent. And it would be their first ever venture towards signing a star player in his 20s still with free agency the last while being earlier.

    it would be quite impressive to actually see that happen. I am not holding my breath. i mean its such a long ways away. but, if they are there July 1st, i dont see any good reason why Toronto would not go “all in” on that. I don’t see any reason too stopping the Leafs from going “all in”.

    • leafs_wallace93 says:

      Belfour and Moginly were great UFA pick ups too.

      The difference with Kessel is that he’d have another year on his contract so he isn’t a rental like Hossa or Kovie.

      As for Gezlaf and Perry. We have a coach their had success with and Lupul looks like he wants to step up and be the team’s mouth piece with media so it’s not like Perry or Getz would be burdened with that role. We need two pieces on our top line. The stars line up and the Leafs should (doesn’t mean they will) but they should go all in like you’ve said.

      • nordiques100 says:

        Ya i think there isn’t a scenario really that Kessel goes right now so i’m not going to bother really considering it at this point.

        Getz was being compared with Hossa/Kovy. As a rental his price will be “high” i guess. I just hope he is a UFA. But i am not holding my breath.

        ya, those guys were also good signings, but older. Cujo signed when he was 30. still lots of hockey left. Getz and Perry as 27 year olds coming in, that’s unprecedented here. I guess its still a hail mary that it happens since its so far away from now, but, i’m going to sit back and wait.

        if thats how it falls down those dominoes, if Nonis is allowed to pull a Burke and go “im not interested in dealing out those kind of contracts” i think i may get arrested for something.

  2. doorman says:

    Could the Leafs land Getzlaf, now? Well let me put that in Spanish for you, NO. As a free agent, they have a shot if Nonis steps up, but so do other teamm. Also, I am not convinced from interviews and on his personality type that Perry wants to play in a media frenzied market, he seems very reserved.

    • nordiques100 says:

      thats where the money comes into play. this is where you start pushing you know big sponsorship deals. like for example. Perry would be a spokesman for Bell. Getzlaf will speak on behalf of Rogers. Use that kind of leverage to give the players more money. And….it wouldn’t count against the cap.

      Thats what i would do. if all else fails, throw money on it. the Leafs have that kind of dough.

      • doorman says:

        Good points, and Nords, BAM you have the next CBA loophole, lol.

        • nordiques100 says:

          Ha maybe….but when you seriously think about it, why not?

          i mean they could sign the two for say 7 years 49 mil….to play hockey.

          but, the two companies split the bill and sign them up as spokesmen for their products for the same length for another 10 mil. they’d be making 8.5 mil per year instead of 7 but 7 counts against the cap. all they need to do is make some commercials or put their face to a product. We saw Getz and his all star game skit with Bobby Ryan. He could do it. I think Iginla is pretty funny in his commercials.

          the leafs need all the incentives they can give if the supposed pressure, media scrutiny or even the weather is not a popular choice for players.

      • Steven_Leafs0 says:

        I could be wrong but I think these kind of back door deals are against the rules. It would be like a billionaire owner signing Getzlaf to a 5 year $15M contract and then paying him $100M to clean his house, lol.

        Maybe nothing that obvious but you get the idea. 😛

    • mojo19 says:

      I agree. I think it would be too much to trade for him. Best bet is to hope he makes it to free agency.

      It would be a very anticlimactic summer if Getzlaf is dealt at the deadline and extended by another team, and then Perry extends with the Ducks.

      Iginla is still a spicy name set to be UFA, and Calgary isn’t looking great right now. But he’d never come here. He’ll stay in Calgary or else go to a team like Pittsburgh where he can play with some stars and have a legit shot at a cup.

      • nordiques100 says:

        Getz and Perry are the sexy names by far. Lots of golden oldies like Iggy, Elias, Jagr.

        The next level would have Weiss, Roy, Ribiero as centres. How much better are tehy than Bozak? that’s the question. They are the equivalent to Grabo to me. Weiss though, local product, wouldn’t be bad, but not a real great upgrade.

        I guess another intriguing name would be Nathan Horton. Ryan Whitney seems to be the only Dman of consequence that isnt in the geriatric ward.

        • mojo19 says:

          Andy MacDonald is an interesting option at centre too, although he is always off and on the IR.

          And those geriatric ward d-men you speak of:

          Mark Streit
          Sergei Gonchar
          Kimo Timonen

          all intrigue me, on a short term deal.

  3. leafs_wallace93 says:

    I get sick of reading so and so is reserved and wouldn’t want to play in Toronto. Ever notice all NHL players sound the same? It’s because they have media coaches. It’s not just practicing on the ice, they’re molded to be good corporate players that sell the organization and the game.

    I would imagine that there are players that would like to come to Toronto to receive the hero’s welcome and be the man in a big market. Look at players that sign in markets that are competitive, why do they do there because good teams get media attention regardless of their markets. Players also routinely sign in NY and Philly and those aren’t exactly small media markets where they fly under the radar.

    Beyond money the Leafs have to show promise to bring in big UFA.

  4. leafs_wallace93 says:

    This also goes hand in hand with ‘why would Kessel resign in Toronto? The media blah blah blah’

    Name me a player that walked out on Toronto? One comes to mind, Cujo but he left for competitive reasons not the media. Leaf players are loyal to a fault. If it’s soooooo bad in Toronto why did the Muskoka Five all refuse to waive their NTCs for Fletcher to kick start the rebuild? The media was never as harsh as they were then yet they stayed put.

    How often do players exercise their NTCs? Most of the time with the writing on the wall they waive.

    I don’t take seriously no one wants to play in Toronto, the organization is world class in terms of how they treat their players, money is never an issue and fans treat hockey players like royalty off the ice.

    The truth is Damien Cox, Nick Kypreos and Bob McCowan aren’t really intimidating professional hockey players from coming to Toronto. Alphas aren’t afraid of betas that’s how the world works.

    And if I’m wrong on this point… Bell and Rodgers are Toronto media, I don’t see them running future talent out of town when there is money to be made.

    • nordiques100 says:

      I think if BellRogers actually made a legit hard to refuse offer to a top player, they’d sign it.

      If too, they may a legit offer to a player with a NTC, they’d waive it to come here, like Rick Nash for example even though the media and others said the Leafs were not on his trade list.

      I think even before if the teachers or whomever did go gung ho and be proactive when it came to top end players, if it were via trade, via free agency or what not, they’d come.

      I think the last while, there was just no power for JFJ or much respect, at least within the ranks at MLSE for him. His status, a GM who was regarded as a puppet, really lost him a lot of ability to be a convincing force to bring top players here.

      The thinking was Burke was that kind of manager. He allegedly went to Sweden for the Sedins and get Gustavsson, but the effort, on his part wasn’t there overall. The legwork was done by mainly his LTs. Niewy was big in convincing Bozak to come here. And he is someone worth listening to with his credentials as an NHLer. But, I dont think Nonis, Poulin, Fletcher and others were as convincing when it came to the likes of Richards or Justin Schultz.

      Nonis, if he wants to keep his job, has to be different. he has to be in attack mode. he can’t dither his way to getting fired like JFJ, he can’t be a stubborn mule like Burke. He has to make things happen if the franchise is going to get back on its feet.

      • leafs_wallace93 says:

        We were never in on Richards, Burke just sent his team to make a point to the league.

        If offering sixty cents on the dollar isn’t good enough for a feminist then why would Burke have any expectation it be good enough for an all star center?

  5. 93killer93 says:

    Breaking News, Michel Therrien bans the post-victory triple-low-five celebration. Subban has demanded a trade to a team where low-fives are acceptable.

  6. doorman says:

    I am probably wrong but I get the distinct impression the Therrien/Subban marriage is not going to go well, lol, just saying.

    • Gambo says:

      Yeah I still think Subban will be traded even though he has signed. I know Josh Gorges’ cousins and apparently Josh told them that everyone on the team hates Subban(no surprise).

      • mojo19 says:

        Even Price? They seem like best budds

      • realistic_leafs_fan says:

        That wouldn’t surprise me either Gambo. No doubt Subban has skill, but his antics would not go over well with his veteran teammates. How many guys his age were being hockey analysts on TV during the lockout?LOL The guy acts like he knows everything at such a young age. He needs to show more respect to the guys who have paid their dues and have earned their respect. He should listen and learn more than be such an outspoken “I’m the guy” personality. He would be more liked and respected and it would probably even improve his on ice game.

  7. mojo19 says:

    Brian Burke really screwed over Anaheim after mostly inheriting that Cup team.

    The year after he won the Cup he traded his 2nd round pick to Washington for Brian Sutherby, signed Matthieu Schneider and Todd Bertuzzi to big money contracts and got into immediate cap trouble. He then had to trade Andy MacDonald to St.Louis for Doug Weight to get under the cap.

    The following offseason he bought out Bertuzzi (wasting more cap dollars) and peddled Schneider off to Atlanta for spare parts, and watched Doug Weight walk as a UFA to the Islanders. The team wasn’t nearly as competitive ever again.

    • nordiques100 says:

      What he did do well in Anaheim was get Nieds, get Pronger, thus adding impactful star players. he also brought back Selanne, another star. he added a good coach, his own hand picked coach, and he made 3 nice draft picks: Gardiner, Schultz and Ryan. 2 though did nothing for the Ducks. I think he signed Hiller too.

      But lots of the other pieces were Bryan Murray. McDonald, Penner, Getzlaf, Perry, Giguere, and others including the trade pieces used to get Pronger.

      But giving away McDonald and losing Bryzgalov for nothing hurt. And like you said so did those cap busting moves.

      Unfortunately his impactful Toronto moves, Dion, Kessel, Gustavsson was i guess his highest profile goalie get, they didn’t pan out as well obviously.

      • mojo19 says:

        Ryan he won the lottery on. Well, lost Crosby, but won Ryan in a complete crap shoot.

        I’ll give him credit for pulling off the Pronger deal, even though he had legitimate assets do so with Lupul there. He also got Beauchemin for Fedorov which was a big part of the win, although he admitted that Francois wasn’t his choice it was the advice of his assistant. Which actually brings up a good point about Burke – he was never the smartest guy, or smartest hockey guy by any means and I don’t think he would argue that. But he surrounded himself always with a couple of people who he had respect for and he did value their opinions.

        • realistic_leafs_fan says:

          I think some forget that Burke didn’t build Anaheim from scratch into a winner. He inherited a lot of good pieces, made some good moves after the foundation was already there. I’m not knocking Burke for hisa successes, I think he does a lot of good things. Sad thing is, In Toronto it didn’t work.
          05-06 90pts with Quinn/JFJ, 06-07 91 pts Maurice/JFJ 07/08 83 pts Maurice/JFJ/Fletcher which low total also had to do with Fletcher trading away assets at deadline.
          Burke/Wilson combo had worse results then JFJ/Quinn or Maurice.
          We can’t just ignore the results.
          Yes, Burke inherited a bad situation here and he improved our prospect and depth pool, but even he admits the results under him are disappointing and he didn’t accomplish what he was hired to do.

          • mojo19 says:

            When you finish really low, and you sell off assets like Tomas Kaberle at the deadline, you tend to build up the prospect pool a bit.

            A lame duck GM would have technically done a better job than Burke because he wouldn’t have had the balls to trade for Kessel, and we’d have an even deeper prospect pool.

  8. mojo19 says:

    In 4 games Matt Frattin has 4 goals and 2 assists. What a hot start. Maybe he took his temporary demotion personal. Kid’s on another level this year.

  9. mojo19 says:

    Meanwhile Dion Phaneuf has no goals and 1 assist in 7 games and is a team worst -6.

    • realistic_leafs_fan says:

      Yea, Dion has tried to simplify his game which is going to hurt his production.IMO The problem I see with Dion is similar to that of Kessel, we don’t have the horses to surround them with. Kessel would be more effective with a team that the top six is unreal. Kessel on the second line with NYR or playing with the likes of Crosby, Malkin, Kunitz, Neal in Pitt or Van with the Sedins, Burrows, Kessler. That is the ideal situation for Kessel, we just don’t have that.
      I think Dion would be more effective if you let the reigns off. Let him run around a bit and get more involved in the game. Problem here is, we don’t have the D-men to allow him to do that.
      This is why I am not against moving Kessel or Dion…although I don’t think NOW is the right time. If we had the players or could acquire them without trading away our assets or picks that would allow Kessel and Dion to succeed, then keep them. We cannot trade grabovski and get Richards in return though. Nor can we trade MacArthur and get back Neal or Iginla.
      It makes more sense to me to add to players like JVR, Lupul, Grabo, Kuli, Frattin maybe Kadri upfront and Gardiner, Gunnar, Reilly on the backend, Reimer in net. The returns for Dion and Kessel could change the make-up of the team. There is $12 mil tied up in two players that could easily return us some top players and prospects without damaging the cap numbers too badly or at all. We have good enough 3rd and 4th line players (playing or in the system) so MacArthur and Bozak could be added in deals also.
      I know this thought won’t be popular, but if you think of the players we could get for Kessel and Dion and add them to what we have…I think exploring it is worth while.

      • doorman says:

        There is nothing wrong with voicing an opinion, and you have some well layed out thoughts. I am not against trading Kessel but my thought line is more laong the lines of losing him for nothing. That being said outside of Rielly, Gardiner and that 1st we should have ZERO untouchable players, IMO. If the right trade comes pull the trigger.

      • Steven_Leafs0 says:

        depends on the return, you cannot move Phaneuf or Kessel for rebuilding type pieces (think the Hossa/Kovalchuk deals). The time for the rebuild is over, now we have to develop the pieces we have and trade for the big impact players we need (without destroying another spot).

        I think trading Kessel would be just plain dumb, you don’t move a 30-40 goal scorer for pieces that you hope will turn into the 30+ goal scorer you need. Dumb, really dumb, idea. Fact is the time for a full 5 year rebuild is over, time to focus on getting better.

        Trading Phaneuf is not a terrible idea but you have to make sure you have guys that can play 20+ minutes to replace him. People complain about his -6 right now but if you have someone like Liles getting that many minutes he would be much worse than -6.

        Anyway my point is moving Kessel or Phaneuf for a package of maybes and low 1sts/2nds doesn’t help us, we have plenty of bottom line players with an outside chance of turning into top line players. Go out and get those final top-end pieces or continue to develop them while keeping the top line players we have.

        • mojo19 says:

          Newsflash, you don’t “need” anyone. Not even a 30-goal scorer. Boston traded him after he scored 36 goals and won the cup the next year. They didn’t even get anything that made much of an impact their cup year. I think Seguin got like 20 pts his rookie year, give or take and was a 3rd liner in the playoffs that year.

          Boston also traded Joe Thornton for spare parts. Clinging to players is a dangerous thing to do. If Phil doesn’t score thirty maybe someone else does, or a couple guys pick up the slack, or we give up 30 less goals on the season because of a few key additions who fit Carlyle’s style of play. A goal prevented is equal to a goal scored.

          Just a little perspective, I’m not saying you’re wrong. It would be tough to move Phil, but for the right guy back I’d listen to offers.

        • mojo19 says:

          Also like I said, I would try to move Dion for a couple of rental players then sell them on the team, the vision of the future, and lock them up. Morrow and Ryder for Phaneuf for example if Dallas is out of it later in the year and looking to re-tool. Maybe they’d prefer a piece like Dion over a couple of draft picks. We could then re-sign those two and get a couple guys who could make a difference in another way.

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