Leafs’ loss prompts more trade talk

The Leafs performance in Thursday’s 3-2 loss to Columbus was disturbing enough to prompt serious talk among observers that it’s time for GM Brian Burke to make a trade to help his troubled team.

Burke, of course, does not listen to media rants and won’t be swayed by them. But Thursday’s disappointment certainly carried the point home in large part because it further deflated an almost flat hope that this roster can do very much to rescue a playoff berth.

So, with 46 games left on the schedule, and little belief outside the dressing room that this roster can salvage at least a drive for the playoffs, the focus turns to what can be done to bolster that belief.

Burke readily admits he’ll improve the club if the right trade can be had, much like the house cleaning the GM performed at the end of last January to turn things around.

Thanks to those deals, the Leafs became one of the youngest teams in the NHL. It was a good platform to build on, but one that comes with the inconsistencies seen this year, and capsulized in Thursday’s loss.

What happened Thursday — a turnover laden game that also featured a dreadful second period and a bad night for defensemen — was not the product of a younger roster.

Those turnovers came from its most expensive and experienced players — Mike Komisarek, François Beauchemin and Phil Kessel.

There were four unbelievable turnovers in all; one went off the post, and two went into the net. Kristian Huselius bagged two goals as a result and R.J. Umberger got the game winner on the power play early in the third to seal the win.

The score flattered the Leafs since they combined turnovers with a second period in which they admitted they “let off the pedal” and were outshot 11-3 in the process.

So, the Leafs are making it painfully obvious they are not the sum of the parts Burke thought were good enough collectively to challenge for a playoff spot.


32 Responses to Leafs’ loss prompts more trade talk

  1. TheLeafNation91 says:

    I understand Beauchemin and Komisarek and its inexcusable…

    But to say Kessel is a real experienced player is WAYYY off. He ain't Crosby, he's not Ovechkin, he's not Toews, unfortunately Toronto picked up a player that will be really good, but it's going to take probably anoother year or two (Bet Burke didn't expect this)

    Kessel is like the rest of the youth=Schenn, Gunarsson, Aulie, Kulemin, Grabovski, MacArthur, Bozak, Kadri, Gustavsson, etc:

    -That is playing at a high consistent level throughout the game instead of shift to shift, I feel like thats the learning curve this year. The good news for Toronto is the young players (unlike Steen, Stajan and Wellwood back in the day) are getting better, I really don't see anyone really regressing like before.

  2. PatsLeafs says:

    Kadri for Couture

  3. palindrom says:

    Where is Kaberle?

    2007-2008 Norris Trophy Voting
    Pts. (1st-2nd-3rd-4th-5th)
    1. Nicklas Lidstrom, DET 1313 (127-5-1-1-0)
    2. Dion Phaneuf, CGY 561 (2-38-37-26-12)
    3. Zdeno Chara, BOS 486 (3-38-23-21-12)
    4. Sergei Gonchar, PIT 370 (1-24-21-21-24)
    5. Brian Campbell, S.J. 333 (1-18-16-31-24)
    6. Andrei Markov, MTL 156 (0-4-15-11-20)
    7. Mike Green, WSH 84 (0-1-7-10-12)
    8. Chris Pronger, ANA 56 (0-2-5-5-2)
    9. Brian Rafalski, DET 25 (0-1-1-2-7)
    10. Scott Niedermayer, ANA 22 (0-2-1-1-0)
    11. Duncan Keith, CHI 19 (0-0-2-0-9)
    12. Brent Burns, MIN 14 (0-0-2-1-1)
    13. Mark Streit, MTL 11 (0-1-0-1-1)
    14. Mathieu Schneider, ANA 9 (0-0-1-1-1)
    15. Ed Jovanovski, PHX 8 (0-0-1-1-0)
    16. Wade Redden, OTT 3 (0-0-0-1-0)

    2008-2009 Norris Trophy Voting
    Pts. (1st-2nd-3rd-4th-5th)
    1. Zdeno Chara, BOS 1034 (68-36-18-4-0)
    2. Mike Green, WSH 982 (50-53-19-4-4)
    3. Nicklas Lidstrom, DET 733 (14-34-58-19-8)
    4. Shea Weber, NSH 186 (0-4-11-25-28)
    5. Dan Boyle, S.J. 173 (0-2-4-38-25)
    6. Duncan Keith, CHI 95 (0-2-4-14-19)
    7. Andrei Markov, MTL 95 (0-1-9-10-13)
    8. Mark Streit, NYI 29 (0-0-1-5-9)
    9. Brian Rafalski, DET 27 (1-0-0-4-5)
    10. Scott Niedermayer, ANA 27 (0-0-3-2-6)
    11. Dennis Wideman, BOS 24 (0-0-2-3-5)
    12. Dion Phaneuf, CGY 17 (0-0-2-2-1)
    13. Sheldon Souray, EDM 16 (0-1-1-1-1)
    14. Jay Bouwmeester, FLA 9 (0-0-1-0-4)
    15. Kimmo Timonen, PHI 8 (0-0-0-1-5)
    16. Brian Campbell, CHI 3 (0-0-0-1-0)

    2009-2010 Norris Trophy Voting

    Pts. (1st-2nd-3rd-4th-5th)

    1. Duncan Keith, CHI 1096 (76-37-14-2-1)
    2. Mike Green, WSH 831 (34-46-23-15-9)
    3. Drew Doughty, L.A. 662 (15-28-46-25-11)
    4. Nicklas Lidstrom, DET 303 (4-9-16-28-36)
    5. Chris Pronger, PHI 168 (2-3-9-22-16)
    6. Dan Boyle, S.J. 116 (1-2-5-15-22)
    7. Shea Weber, NSH 96 (1-2-6-12-6)
    8. Zdeno Chara, BOS 88 (0-3-7-6-14)
    9. Christian Ehrhoff, VAN 21 (0-1-0-3-5)
    10. Mark Streit, NYI 15 (0-1-1-1-0)
    11. Ryan Suter, NSH 13 (0-0-2-1-0)
    12. Brian Rafalski, DET 12 (0-0-2-0-2)
    13. Brent Seabrook, CHI 10 (0-0-2-0-0)
    14. Sergei Gonchar, PIT 8 (0-1-0-0-1)
    15. Tyler Myers, BUF 6 (0-0-0-0-6)
    16. Dion Phaneuf, TOR 3 (0-0-0-1-0)
    Jeff Schultz, WSH 3 (0-0-0-1-0)
    18. Ed Jovanovski, PHX 1 (0-0-0-0-1)
    Chris Phillips, OTT 1 (0-0-0-0-1)
    Anton Volchenkov, OTT 1 (0-0-0-0-1)

  4. leafmeister says:

    Do you have the list from 06/07? Cause if there was any year Kaberle would have been up there would have been that year. Also 05/06, but I thought he was at his best in 07.

  5. Canadiens-D says:

    This is hilarious when you consider that the pick used to get Couture was the one Toronto traded to San Jose for Toskala.  

  6. reinjosh says:

    No it wasn't. That pick was traded along with another pick to the Blues. The Blues used the Leaf pick to get Ian Cole.

  7. leafmeister says:

    Actually I think they picked Lars Eller with the Leafs pick.

  8. palindrom says:

    i tried to find it, but couldnt

  9. lukeleim says:

    Trade Francois Beauchemin and Kenny Ryan to the Phoenix Coyotes for Wojtek Wolski.

    Wojtek Wolski – Tyler Bozak – Phil Kessel
    Clarke MacArthur – Mikhail Grabovski – Nikolai Kulemin
    Kris Versteeg – John Mitchell – Colby Armstrong
    Fredrik Sjostrom – Tim Brent – Colton Orr

    Dion Phaneuf – Carl Gunnarsson
    Tomas Kaberle – Luke Schenn
    Brett Lebda – Mike Komisarek

  10. dumbassdoorman says:

    LOL….ya but he is not far off really

  11. dumbassdoorman says:

    Phx is already starved for offense they are not trading Wolski

  12. MystifoLeafs says:

    Just a thought, do any of you think Vancouver would be interested if we could get Thomas Kaberle to waive his NTC to go play with the Canucks for a deal along the lines of…

    I know more would have to be done but Kaberle is a experienced D man and could help out a team I picked to be a Contender for the cup this year, plus both contracts are up at the end of the year leaving no one stuck with salary they may not want and a chance to resign the players if they pick to.
    Also I would like to point out that even though this is considered Kaberle's off year he still has more points than Ehroff. 
  13. leafs_r_a_joke says:

    Does it really matter? GM's aren't trading for Kaberle from 4+ years ago, they're trading for the CURRENT version. The CURRENT version isn't very good.

  14. leafs_r_a_joke says:

    This is the problem with Toronto management. It took a DEC 30 loss to Columbus to as the title suggest "prompt trade talk". Probably should have done something in say early NOVEMBER when the wheels started to come off when the season was still salvageable. Leafs are toast and they know it. Gretzky in his prime couldn't right this sinking ship……

  15. reinjosh says:

    Your right. Good call.

  16. reinjosh says:

    Apparently the Leafs have had scouts in Phoenix and Phoenix had them in Toronto. Dreger also said Beauchemin is drawing interest around the league. McKenzie has stated that the Leafs are getting lots of calls too.

  17. reinjosh says:

    I suggested this a few days ago. kaberle would be an upgrade and seeing as the Canucks have had interest before its not out of the realm of possibilities. The Canucks would need to send more our way but I doubt it would amount to more than a 2nd rounder and maybe a conditional pick should Kabby resign and Ehrhoff not.

  18. reinjosh says:

    Couple thoughts so far for the round robin.

    not impressed with Roy. He has just looked nervous throughout the whole time. His stance is really weird too and he plays small.

    Also not impressed with either Couturier or Larsson. Both have shown flashes but neither has played particularly well in the games I have watched (only two for Sweden, all of them for Canada). Couturier just seems better suited as a two-way player. I don't see much of a scoring touch there.

    Really impressed with Johansen. I had no idea who he was when CBJ took him but the guy has a great hockey sense and can just play man. Great plays, can hit, reminds me a lot of Yzerman but with a better playmaking side (again i only saw Yzerman from 2000 till retirement).

    Jesper Thornberg also impressed me. He is small but fearless, fast and a great shot. He was the most notable Swede for me against the Russians and one of the more noticeable ones tonight.

    Gudbranson and Barrie have been great as well.

  19. MystifoLeafs says:

    Yeah, I was thinking about it today when I was reading some posts about Vancouver and I thought maybe they would be willing to do this swap, I personally like both Ehroff and Kabs and would be happy with Ehroff over Kabs just because I think we could resign him cheaper then kabs and leave more money up front to sign say Brad Richards or someone along those lines. 

    I also thought about if LA was making a push would they be interested in him as well its just that LA is close to the cap and I can't seen anyone on that roster who we could take back in return. ( I only suggest LA because I REALLY like Brayden Schenn.) 
    Also there is the rumor of San Jose looking for a D Man also ( I guess they feel the pain of losing Rob Balke.) and I think they have interest in Beauchemin (Why your guess is as good as mine.) But they may be willing to part with a few spare parts in order to get their D man.
  20. dumbassdoorman says:

    I did not know about the scouts, hadn't read it. I am not gonna be holding my breath for any sort of change though…….something just tells me nothing is gonna happen.

  21. palindrom says:

    Why would you acquire Ehroff then lose him as UFA next summer?

    Its better to acquire prospect or pic.

  22. kilter says:

    look the Leafs are done, nothing will change for years to come, they have one asset to trade and whatever he brings in will do nothing to fix this train wreck..lol,the first moves they need to make are FIRE WILSON he's an idiot and joke he could,nt do anything in SJ with a team of super stars and he certainly isnt going to do anything with a team losers,i mean how long do you have to lose before you do something ?no other team would still have him behind the bench after what the teams done so far and thats a fact! Secondly BURK has to go,he blew it instantly with the Kessel deal..OMG 2firsts and a second for Kessel..HA HA HA HA..what a joke!!!! and what the hell does he think he's going to get for KABERLE anyway..CROSBY!!!!!!!! Two Americans running the leafs…lol nothing good will ever come of it! You deserve the siuation your in now and for the MANY years to come LEAF fans but keep going and paying the ridculus money to watch a garbage team put on a pathetic display of hockey so they owners never make any changes because you keep the money rolling in!!…HA HA HA TOO FUNNY!

  23. MystifoLeafs says:

    Thats where the conditional josh was talking about if Ehroff did not resign at free agency.

  24. MystifoLeafs says:

    I think someone is mad they never got what they wanted for Christmas.

  25. palindrom says:

    Im not sure the The Vancouver fan think Kaberle is an upgrade on Ehroff.

    Ehroff was 9th last year in the Norris vote while kaberle didnt get any vote. (see my following post)

    But as i dont see them play often, i dont really have an opinion.
    I Base it on frequent comment i see on some vancouver forums.

  26. glotz_99 says:

    How about something like Travis Zajac (3.9M), Jamie Langenbrunner (2.8M) and Dainius Zubrus (3.4M) for Tyler Bozak (3.75M), Tomas Kaberle
    (4.25M) and John Mitchell (750K)  

    Toronto takes on around 2M in extra cap space, and they get a center they can put on the 1st line with Kessel in Zajac. The only problem with this is Kaberle and Langenbruner would have to waive their no trade clause.

  27. palindrom says:

    Why does Kaberle would waive his NTC to go to the bottom league team?

  28. MystifoLeafs says:

    Why does Langenbruner waive to go to a bottom team? Because its for the Greater good… The greater good.

  29. blues2thetop says:

    yesterday at the winter classic they where talking about a team made an offer to the leafs for versteeg that made burk stop and think…? any clue what team and who else is involved?

  30. dumbassdoorman says:

    I am curious myself as it makes me wonder if we could look at several changes now. Though myself I would not trade Versteeg, now, see how it rides out. He is A good player, but if it made Burke stop it makes me wonder as you said, who and what?

  31. blues2thetop says:

    ya i mean if its a good deal why not do it lol

  32. reinjosh says:

    Ehrhoff had less points on a vastly better team. Plus/minus is a negligible stat for judging them because of the two teams positions. Ehrhoff's plus/minus was solely because of the higher scoring offense in front of him and the goalie behind him. Kaberle's was the lack of both previous mentioned reasons.

    Kaberle passing to the Sedins is a whole ton better than Ehrhoff to the Sedins.

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