Leafs pushing for Nash?
Sportsnet can confirm that Toronto Maple Leafs general manager Brian Burke met with Columbus Blue Jackets general manager Scott Howson this morning at a New York City hotel.
Burke was in New York for an HBO taping when he ran into Howson and the two managers decided to talk over breakfast.
As reported earlier, Damien Cox confirmed the Leafs were on a short list provided by Rick Nash to the Blue Jackets of teams that he would consider waiving his no-trade clause for.
Debates continue online on what a deal involving the Leafs would cost them, or if they even have enough assets to get a deal done involving Nash.
It is believed any deal between Toronto and Columbus would have to include a combination of players that could include Nazem Kadri, Luke Schenn, Nikolai Kulemin and possibly James Reimer.
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/trades/2012/02/19/nhl_trade_deadline_leafs_burke_howson_rick_nash/
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I wouldn't take the risk on Nash. Kulemin, kadri, schenn, and reimer are players with huge potential. They are the players that could potentially make the trade horrible for us. They are all great young players who need time to grow. Draft picks could be an option to trade. as I would trade draft picks over these guys any day!
No offence, but any player has potential…Most of the time these players become an average player or dwindle to nothing at all. That's why they are prospects…Prospects are never a guarantee.
Now, the price for Nash is steep and I don't think we should do it…But to justify not trading any of those guys in the future because they have potential is absurd.
Couldn't agree more. I mean if you are trading prospects and picks in a deal, for an established player with time left on his deal you have to expect to give up the kind of potential that could have you losing the trade in the long run. I mean we wouldn't by lotto tickets that could only win you the price of the ticket would we?
To TOR: Nash, Mason.
To CBJ: Kulemin, Kadri, Gustavvsson, Scrivens, Percy, Conditional pick(depending on the playoffs, 1st or a 2nd).
To TOR: B. Schenn.
To PHI: Grabovski, Aulie, Crabb.
To TOR: Penner.
To LAK: Lombardi.
To TOR: Moen.
To MTL: D'amigo, 4th(2013), 7th.
Lupul – Bozak – Kessel
Macarthur -B. Schenn – Nash
Penner – Connolly – Armstrong
Moen – Steckel – Brown
(Boyce, Rosehill)
Gunnarsson – Phaneuf
Gardiner – L. Schenn
Liles – Franson
(Komisarek)
Reimer
Mason
one of the best arguments I've heard on here.
moen will cost you a 2nd r.d pick+ he won't go anywhere for a 4th and the pick will be in this june's draft
yeah LeafsFTW17! Moen is a Montreal Canadiens! Which means he is easily worth 2 1sts and a 3rd. Just be lucky that he isn't generational talent defenseman PK Subban!! That would cost you Kessel, Schenn, Aulie, Lupul, Kadri, Colborne, Reimer, Scrivins, 10 1st round picks and 5 2nd round picks.
Moen for D'Amigo, 4th, 7th….. that was dumb!
LOL
omg you're right, my baddd. What was I thinking, that type of top 3 forward is worth ATLEAST 10 1st round picks. but then we will have to trade him back to montreal in the summer for a conditional 7th, after all all the leafs players suck and a 7th from montreal is as good as a 1st from any other team. =P
Sure, Nash could take Toronto to the next level. But what's that? Eighth place? Minus the largesse needed to lure Nash, can Toronto reach the two or three more levels that lie between them and Boston?
Everyone seems to be making trade perposals so I figure I would make mine.
Historically the team bringing in the star player for the picks/prospects/young players, etc. wins the trade.
The lineup for 2012-2013 is amazing. A few things I'd do differently like have Colbourne as the 3rd line center with Macarthur and Frattin. While saying that I still love the idea of having Gaustad but would put him on the 4th line instead of Boyce. Having 2 of the best faceoff men on the same line will give the first guy the advantage of cheating knowing that if he gets waived out someone just as good will be there to back him up, thus leading to a faceoff win almost everytime.
I'd maybe use the 1st that you aquired from the Grabovski trade to make a package for Halak.
the first offer is great for us and give STL a solid backup for Elliot while getting a top 9 forward but I doubt it is anywhere near enough to get Halak.
the second offer is more realistic but I doubt Stewart for MacArthur and Aulie is enough of an upgrade for their playoff run. That deal would make more sense in the off-season if Halak lost his spot to Elliot in the playoffs. I get the feeling that acquiring Halak would cost us Reimer automatically and either a top6/top9 forward or top4 defense.
Examples: your first offer makes sense but Reimer would likely need to replace Gustavsson, and your second offer would likely have to replace Aulie with Schenn or Gunnarsson. (and then probably lower or get rid of the pick in each example)
I do love the idea of trading a good player with a goalie to get a much more consistent goalie though. And who knows, maybe the picks are nice enough to get them to do it. 😛
I like it. A lot. Really hope Burke can swing something for Parise, although I'm not sure I see it happening.. The trade for Carter may have to be Schenn instead of Aulie, which I would still do. That team is stacked. I think the top 6 is talented enough that not having a huge banger doesn't really matter that much. That said, I'd probably try to get another big body in the bottom 6. Maybe don't get rid of armstrong (unless we need to for cap purposes).
To Columbus:
Holy shit, no Rick Nash…
…and to add to your point…Burke has said he's building a winner not through the draft. So when a Nash, Parise, Weber, whoever, is on the market…well we need to be pulling out all the stops to get these kinda guys….since we aren't drafting them. You aren't winning a cup without them. I love our depth but it's only substance…you need that quality thing.
Joffrey Lupul – Tyler Bozak – Phil Kessel
Very true, Frank.
Wait a tic .. the Leafs are interested in Nash? I hadnt heard this news before 😛
I think he was actually refering to the price being paid so far this season for rental players, and he is right.
Should Columbus trade Nash they would need a player in return they can sell to what little fan base they have. After Zherdev and Filitov, I doubt they would want yet another Russian who can't find the net (Kulimen has a 7.1 shooting%). Gustavvsson is a ufa and will be of little interest to Columbus. Scrivens can't compete should the Kings or Canucks offer one of their young back ups. Percy is a good prospect, and there will be no condition it will have to be a 1st round pick. As for Kadri until he can show he can stick in the NHL his trade value will not be as high as it could be.
that's what i was refering to doorman! thanks,i don't think a second and a prospect is fair for moen,much like the gill trade that's what i think well get for moen.
Funny sometimes Leaf fans seem to forget there are other GMs in the league. That's why the habs got a 2nd rounder plus 2 players for Gill and a conditional 5th. Granted that Geoffrion will at best be a solid 3rd liner and Slaney will never make the NHL. They will be looking for something similar for Moen. being that it is a sellers market there will be other teams that can easily beat an offer of D'Amigo a 4th and a 7th.
your dumb!
The Habs got a 2nd rounder for Gill. You don't think they could get that for Moen. In a sellers market lots of GMs can and would easily beat that offer for Moen.
i agree habs79 i think we'll see a return much like we got for gill what do you think we'll get for kostitsyn?
Some fans think only there team exists, they forget there are 29 other teams with 29 other GMs. Especially in this case where a few of those GMs will be looking to get a player like Moen.
Honestly not as much as we would like. In my opinion all the teams looking at adding Hemsky should look at Kostitsyn instead. Just look at their numbers this year.
The fact that St Louis has said they have no interest in trading either goalie. Also the fact that neither Halak or Elliot has said they have a problem with the situation in St. Louis clearly played no part in your suggestion.
Honestly I never believe what a GM says. While Armstong said he has no interest in trading either goalie he has also stated he has a desire to solidify his scoring. We have pieces to help in that means like…
Funny thing is about a year and a half ago Pittsburgh name would be up there too. 🙂 If Malkin could turn Neal into what he is now what could he do for Nash?
Wrong about the Penner trade, Penner is UFA. Lombardi has a year left. I doubt LA would make that trade, Burke certainly would.
Ironic.
Oh and there's also a huge difference between Kulemin and Filatov/Zherdev… Not saying they want Kulemin as one of the main pieces, but he's not comparable to those two.
Really? You think Kulemin has earned a raise? He doesnt exactly have the strongest bargaining position right now, all things considered.
I have no interest in trading Reimer. None. Trading him away makes us a much worse team for the future. It doesn't help us. Bulin isn't an upgrade on Reimer and doesn't give us a shot at a cup. Plus trading Reimer just opens us up to the same problems we had before. No goalie capable of winning us games. Bulin is too old. He's done.
you know what though, I think we need to stop criticizing people for making 'trade rumors' on a trade rumor site. I admit I have done this myself quite a bit but even if someone is clearly not on the market or a GM says they wont move someone that can always change. Burke says he will not move Kessel. If he was offered Ovechkin, Neuvirth, and 10 1st round picks for Kessel + cap dump then he would take it. While I doubt any of those offers listed above is enough to change the STL GM's mind, it was a nice idea in general.
STL gets a nice piece up front and a quality pick for a downgrade in goal they can easily afford to make.
ouch, effectively destroyed our depth and our future for veterans for 1 playoff run. We better win that cup 😉 lol.
That Nash trade though is, as sad as it sounds, probably accurate which is why I would not want to trade for Nash. I do not see the point trading that much to anyone just to have Nash projected on the 2nd line. We could use him, and we probably should pay for him, but I wouldn't give up that much.
Nash, Brassard, 2012 2nd, 2013 1st for Crosby. lol.
That would get people talking forever. lol.
lol agreed. And likely not in a good way for Ray Shero 😛
I would give up that much and here's why: Rick Nash's don't come along every day. Kadri, Reimer, Gardiner, Kulemin, all these guys are good assets but all are replaceable through free agency, drafting, and replacing from within. Frattin, Colborne, Holzer, we have lots of NHL ready assets on the Marlies and we'll draft well. Burke has been loading up the system, lets use some of our better commodities as trade bait for a stud.
And I completely agree with that argument as well. But it is necessary to give up players with enough potential to win the trade for the team giving up the star player. It won't often happen because the odds of any random prospect who isn't a can't miss prospect turning out to be a star are pretty low, while the star being acquired has already beaten those odds.