Let the Leaf fans be Leaf fans…

I come here trying to be as neutral as possible…I am a Leaf fan but I am taking a step back to look at the overall picture of how Leaf fans and anti-Leaf fans co-exist.
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Anybody who has spent 10 minutes on Hockeytraderumors.com knows that this is a Leaf dominated site. Anybody who knows the NHL knows that if there is any team in the NHL that has the most fans worldwide that it’s the Toronto Maple Leafs, to argue that is just being ignorant. It’s no different than me being a Blue Jays fan and having to put up with it from Yankees fans…like it or not…it’s the unfortunate truth (except the Yankees actually win championships).

I took a copy and paste of any July HTR archives that have been on the board for at least a few days and sorted them by total posts/comments….of the top 22 topics; Toronto based, related or Toronto bashing articles dominated 12 of the 22 top commented articles equaling 55% total Toronto related articles. I would’ve provided a copy and paste of what I based it on but there was HTML content in it and the HTR message board doesn’t allow HTLM in topics.

I point this out as a way of trying to present a “just deal with it” attitude. I deal with it with the New York Yankees and they are so much worse than Leaf fans you have no idea. Leaf fans don’t hold even come close to Yankee fans as far as far-fetched and over-zealous topics and discussions go.

Let’s face it, HTR is a fun place to come and talk hockey…you have fun reading the articles, reading the complaints, reading the bashing and sharing your opinions but for the love of all things enjoyable….just realize that the Leafs have a lot of fans wanting information, attention and more and more Leaf talk…it’s what you get with every highly populated professional sports franchise.

Leaf fans are what makes this site what is it…enjoyable and full of constant information and curveballs. Without the Toronto fans this site’s article would only get a handful of comments on a regular basis, it’s the leaf articles that end up with 100+ comments over and over again. By complaining about it all the time is no different than continuously drinking some Windex off your kitchen counter and complaining that it makes you throw up, but then the next time you see the bottle of Windex sitting on the counter you grab it again, open the lid and drink it only it end up complaining that you’re puking again…if the bottle keeps showing up and you don’t enjoy the consequence of drinking it then perhaps you need to leave it alone. As is the same with Leaf articles, they continuously pop up, you continuously click on the link (nobody is making you do it but yourself) and you read the article, get frustrated, click on “post comment” and begin your complaining with “surprise!!! Another Leaf article…” or “I’m sick of Leaf articles…”. Who’s the problem here, the Leaf fans that are just trying to have fun by talking about their favorite team that they have proved over and over again that they are extremely passionate for or the people who knowingly click on the leaf articles even though they claim they’re sick of reading them? Admit it….you have fun reading the outrageous Leaf articles and ridiculous trade proposals because you love complaining about it.

There’s an article titled “are the leafs really that much better” posted by a non-leaf fan with some very valid points in his topic. But the same people that I see regularly complaining about too many Leaf articles were the same people reply to his post agreeing with him that they might not be as good as some Leaf fans are hoping. But hold on a second….I thought you were sick of Leaf articles? But yet you reply to it fully happy with his topic because in a very very light manner he bashed the fans in a non-direct way for their over-zealousness. So you’re not really sick of Leaf articles, you’re just sick of Leaf articles that don’t directly bash the Leafs…kind of unfair and hypercritical isn’t it?

Admit it, you LOVE TO HATE THE LEAFS and without all the Leaf articles you would not have nearly as much fun visiting HTR as you do now.Try to remember that if your franchise was as popular (if that’s the right word) as Toronto or even Montreal for that matter, you would stick up for them the same way Leaf fans do and you would love reading every single article submitted and every single mention of your team. I’m sure most of you don’t even know why you hate Toronto, I can understand why you might dislike the fans of the Leafs but aside from Montreal and Ottawa fans what reason do you really have for hating the Leaf franchise as much as you do?

I hope I didn’t show any favoritism to the Leafs, I truly tried to provide an overview of how Leaf fans are treated and how there is a true way for both leaf and non-leaf fans to co-exist.

Try not to mistaken me mentioning true facts as me showing favoritism…I did my research and overview based 100% off articles written and replied to everyone here on HTR that you all have access to research yourself.


239 Responses to Let the Leaf fans be Leaf fans…

  1. superman1914 says:

    juiceman are you for real when you say the leafs are more known around the world than the habs????? i hope your joking right!!!!

    when you go to Europe they barely no nothing about the leafs special on the countries you just mentioned, the ONLY team they know is the Montreal Canadians because of their winning history, all the games from Montreal are live in Switzerland, France and all other Europeans contries trust me i am European and like quebec4life said we never saw a hockey game leafs-Russia if hockey is popular in Europe let me tell you it's not because of the leafs but sure because on the great dynasty of the Montreal Canadians and this is why I said on my other article you leaf fans need to be realistic and not be jealous about Montreal and the history on the Montreal Canadians just be humble about it and accepted

  2. my_sphincter says:

    I am sure that 3/4 of the population aren't interested in hockey (or even sports for that matter). 

    Yes, Toronto is a hockey city, but to say that criticizing the Leafs is akin to criticizing Toronto is absurd!  I love Toronto.  I visit there often and always have a good time.  I also do not like the Leafs.  I don't hate them, I just like seeing them lose.  That doesn't mean I think the people of Toronto are losers. 

    The really was a rather ridiculous comment.

  3. JuicemaN says:

    Nah not really, you're just turning this into a political issue that I don't care to disscuss cause I could care less about policits when I'm talking hockey.

    However if you're like to post your topic to HTR for them to make it a subject on the main board I'm sure all the people on HTR would be more than happy to talk about politics and your 88% french in Quebec.

    Still don't see how i'm being closed minded in my original post.

  4. JuicemaN says:

    Look, your name and your subject that yuo're trying to turn my post into are a clear sign that you're a passionate Quebec'r which is fine but I don't chose to get into this with you.  I was talking about The leafs and people bashing them all the time and now suddenly you're talking percentages of french people in Quebec.

    Like I said, post a subject of news about it and see how many replies you get.

  5. UsedandAbused says:

    Your arguements shit. Making up numbers to support your claim won't cut it. Get rid of Philly, NY, Detriot, ect and you have no NHL.

  6. JuicemaN says:

    Well then let me congratulate you on finding the error in my post wise-ass….for f*ck sakes you can't post a damn thing on this site without idiots picking at every little tiny tid-bit you write. 

    Bottom line is the majority of people on this site are leaf fans…I couldn't care less about the fans in europe that don't even know HTR exists…

  7. mundus80 says:

    is he cute?

  8. JuicemaN says:

    oh no, don't mistaken me for an aves fan…while I respect the franchise and certainly Joe Sakic… I'll stick with my leafs.

  9. JuicemaN says:

    I just don't understand not respecting me because I cheer for a team that hasn't won in 40 years? At least you provided a reason which is more than most posters on this site.   But if the Leafs win the cup next year then you'll respect me?  Like I said; I just don't understand that.

    I know you don't mean it this way but you're almost saying that you respect band wagon hoppers more than us…if anything I/we should have your respect for sticking with a team that hasn't won for 40 years…if anything we're troopers that have stuck by our team be it good or bad and I think we all know it's mostly bad.

    I think Leaf fans as a whole are generaly realistic but unfortunately because there are so many it also increases the odds of having idiot Leaf fans, and there's LOTS OF THEM…but those are the ones who people remember the most.     So as soon as you find out I'm a leaf fan it's like I'm starting in the negatives instantly…that's what us normal leaf fans have to put up with and that kind of is what my article is based on, that not all leaf fans are annoying idiots.

    Anyway, you didn't really offend me it's just frustrating when you get lumped into a group of people that I myself wish would go away.  I've also posted lots of article bash the idiot leaf fans and telling them to smarten up because they give us a bad name.

    No worries though dude, it's all good fun for hockey talk…although I have a feeling your friends and family don't actually live in Toronto but somewhere around it or nearby….most people that live right out of the city tend to stick there and don't know much about the city….those who live in the city live there because they absolutely love it (I can't speak for everyone, but at least those I know) and couldn't dream of moving to another typical North American city (which toronto is)…I love it here, there's always something to do.  I just moved from a town just outside Toronto and yes….it's BORRRRRRRING AS HELL outside Toronto.

    Anyway, enough of the Toronto selling, sorry didn't mean to babble on like that.

    Take it easy and everyone have a great weekend!

  10. JuicemaN says:

    Yep, there's a lot of guys out there that set "Snares" and the best part about them when they do it in bars is they only do it when they know they have at least 4 more friends there to back them up.  Online they know nobody will ever be able to do anything about it so they mouth off like there's no tomorrow.

    I hate them just as much as the next guy and would love nothing more for someone to pull them aside and beat the cyber-space sh!t out of them.

  11. JuicemaN says:

    You'll have to excuse mrquebec spokes person everyone…he's been trying in each of his posts to get the message across that the habs and quebec are such a better place to be than Toronto or anywhere else.

    His name says it all and I'm guessing he's a seperatist as well.

  12. 92-93 says:

    one doesnt necessarily come with the other. they can exist mutually exclusive from one another.

    believe it or not, (gasps) there are non-leaf fans out there capable of acting stupidly towards leaf fans who are not that stupid or irrational. it does actually happen … ALOT.

  13. 92-93 says:

    wait a minute,

    i didnt quite get that.

    are you saying he is a liar?

  14. 92-93 says:

    and yet … regardless of what you say, people still talk about the leafs.

    just you posting your comment that tries to discourage such talk about such a supposedly meaningless team contributes to their myth – hatred or love – of the leafs.

    you cannot consider this team in a vacuum or out of context. that is what you are essentially trying to ask others to do. aint going to happen. history, rivalries, loyal fans simply don't disappear like a fart in the wind.

    aint going to happen.

    just like the smiths are never going to get back together again.

    get over it, and get real.

  15. gronk says:

    yeah that's what i mean.  that's why I said that I think there are a lot of pens bandwagoners too.  I think that there are good and bad fans for everyteam so to say that all pens fans are bandwagoners or toronto fans are all bandwagoners is just stupid.  of course (this is completely off topic) bandwagoners are great in pittsburgh right now because they're really making this team turn a profit.  thank you bandwagoners.

  16. superman1914 says:

    and who gives a shit that means you guys have too much time in your hands trying to find ways to feel better about you guys as being leaf fans by trying to put other team fans down special the habs fans

  17. toomanymistakes says:

    by leaffansareajoke on Wednesday, July 18 @ 19:56:18 CDT

    You are a complete moron, and why this was ever allowed is beyond me.  This is a rumor site, not juicemans *****ing and moaning fest.

    I don't care if you think they have 5.9 billion fans, they still aren't as good as you want them to be.  I didn't even read your article, because i know it would be a waste of time.  Someone please stop this idiot from posting.
     

     Buddy you just proved exactly what this article was about, you say you didn't even read it… haha how do u know that it is about moaning and groaing or that the bigger population fans thing sometimes I wonder if us leaf fans are the idiots?? what was a real waste of time was commenting on it because you not only are not a leafs fan but you still read it and still commented on it very very sharp man very sharp 
     just to be your typical idiotic leaf fan GO LEAFS GO!!! 
  18. Quebec4Life says:

    Stress out buddy I just one you to re-read the first paragraph you wrote on this article man. It's not just a little thing we point out you seem so proud and sure of what you seeing that I just had to bring you the real facts… so heres your paragraph

    Anybody who has spent 10 minutes on Hockeytraderumors.com knows that this is a Leaf dominated site (this is why I talk about the frenchies and this explains why you its leaf dominated people in montreal(which is in quebec by the way) don't give a ***** about your english webstie). Anybody who knows the NHL knows that if there is any team in the NHL that has the most fans worldwide (HELLO WORLWIDE!?!? MAN that's the other point we bring you) that it's the Toronto Maple Leafs, to argue that is just being ignorant (who's the real ignorant here). It's no different than me being a Blue Jays fan and having to put up with it from Yankees fans…like it or not…it's the unfortunate truth (except the Yankees actually win championships).  you seem so sure about what you're saying its just funny and too easy to bring it back right in your face…

  19. Quebec4Life says:

    I don't know who's the looser someone saying the leafs stink or someone taking the time to reply all those kinds of commentary…

  20. toomanymistakes says:
    By Leaffansareajoke: You are a complete moron,(who the author or u??) and why was this ever allowed is beyond me(why this comment was allowed is beyond me!). This is rumor site not juicemans !@#$ing and moaing fest(what are you doing right now??). I don't care if you think they have 5.9 bilion fans, they still aren't as good as you want them to be(huh??what does that mean?). I didn't even read your article(you didn't even read the article eh? how come you posted and why would you even post without knowing what this was about?), because i know it would be a waste of time(I know another thing that was a complete waste of time) Someone please stop this idiot from posting???(maybe vice-versa)note () are my comments on his scentences)
     Some times I wonder if it is the leafs fans that are Idiots??? this guy just proved your point bang on 
    great article very true and GO LEAFS GO (hey so what we haven't won for a long time..doesn't mean I should stop cheering! its called loyalty boys I don't think other fans just don't realize how loyal we are to the leafs which is a plus and a minus.. they watch the games at the Acc and see all the rich corporate seats empty for the start and end of every period not the blood noser seats were a lot of the most passionate fans are not to mention the millions cheering and cursing at there tv sets.)
  21. Glucker says:

    wtf? You bashed canada.. quite a bit, I had a long argument with you on the subject…

  22. JuicemaN says:

    Funy, you're doing the same thing by replying to a comment that had nothing to do with you.

  23. JuicemaN says:

    Please point out to me in any of my posts or articles where I put down another team…go find it, you won't…cause I don't bash other teams.

  24. JuicemaN says:

    Use all the excuses you want as to why the habs fans don't dominate….bottom line is you're using an excuse….instead of chirping like you're the god of hockey talk why don't you provide a link to a website that proves the 80% that isn't on HTR is somewehre else….I'll wait here for your link that doesn't exist.   Not my fault you're a seperatist and are mad all the time at the rest of the country.

    As for worldwide, you've proved nothing, nothing whatsoever because I can say the exact same things, I've been to austria, italy, greece, india, ireland and even spain…in each country AT LEAST one person mentioned something about them to me and/or mats sundin when I wore my leafs hat.

    Or we could change it to North America wide, argue that now.

    It couldn't be more obvious that you're a seperatist and just get off on the fact that you're arguing with a confident Toronto resident. 

  25. MTL_HABS_24 says:

    JuicemaN – I applaud you for trying to convince someone of something they refuse to believe, but I'm afraid it's an exercise in futility.  "Some men you just can't reach" (Cool Hand Luke).
    Some people come on these sites to argue with others, to feel important, to show that they can turn a phrase, or to see their words in print.  It's pretty shallow, but that's what makes them feel good.  No amount of reasoning will get them to see it your way, even if you have overwhelming evidence supporting the facts.
    Invariably, those individuals simply continue the discourse because it feeds their ego, not because you may be wrong.  the_word is such an individual.  He pretends to be sincere, yet, he relishes trying to cut you down to his level.  Let's not fall into this trap. 
    You're a knowledgeable hockey fan and I enjoy reading your posts, just stay clear of those who are in it only to create conflict, maybe they will get the point and become good citizens and contribute to this site in a positive way.
    Thanks for reading. 

  26. MTL_HABS_24 says:

    I posted this further up in this page, but it applies here as well…

    JuicemaN – I applaud you for trying to convince someone of something they refuse to believe, but I'm afraid it's an exercise in futility.  "Some men you just can't reach" (Cool Hand Luke).
    Some people come on these sites to argue with others, to feel important, to show that they can turn a phrase, or to see their words in print.  It's pretty shallow, but that's what makes them feel good.  No amount of reasoning will get them to see it your way, even if you have overwhelming evidence supporting the facts.
    Invariably, those individuals simply continue the discourse because it feeds their ego, not because you may be wrong.  the_word is such an individual.  He pretends to be sincere, yet, he relishes trying to cut you down to his level.  Let's not fall into this trap. 
    You're a knowledgeable hockey fan and I enjoy reading your posts, just stay clear of those who are in it only to create conflict, maybe they will get the point and become good citizens and contribute to this site in a positive way.
    Thanks for reading. 

  27. Quebec4Life says:

    Ok we got that picture, you're just the guy making us believe you know so much when you're just very ignorant. You ask for links, think i'm a separatist LOL (I just said that Richard had a good impact on the frenchies because he was being mistreated by the league and the persons at the head of the league at the time, just got watch the Movie about the rocket then you can talk. I was just bringing another point of you and everybody knows you never been to austria, italy, greece, india, ireland and even spain with your leafs hat haha! And sure we can switch to North America, where every youngsters in interview say, everyone knows montreal what a DYNASTY (which you have to be winners to get that adjective, which the Leafs clearly are not…) And no i really don't give a shit if the quebec separates from the rest of the Canada except for the fact that we won't be linked anymore to you square heads…

  28. Quebec4Life says:

    It's funny how you only took 8 minutes to reply is answer man, it's like you shared the same computer. If you were a real habs fan you'd understand what I'm talking about…

  29. Quebec4Life says:

    ya, but I just go with one I don't have time to answer all of this I go to work and I've got a girlfriend to take care off, maybe you should to the same

  30. Habfanforever says:

    Good article. However, having traveled to numerous places across Canada, USA and some parts of Europe, I can tell you I haven't seen that many Leaf fans other than Ontario. You may say I'm biased but the Habs are more popular worldwide than the Leafs and I've seen it firsthand. Call me ignorant for arguing this if you wish, but its a fact. You mentioned being a Jays fan and putting up with Yankees fans. On a fan point of view, yes you can compare the Yankees and Leaf fans arrogance. Team wins and championships (as well as popularity) however, you can compare the Yankees with the Habs.

      

      All that being said, I don't particularly hate most leaf articles, just the annoying ones. Most people on this site are intelligent people capable of bringing good arguments and event fun "bashing" but now there is alot of teenage kids who come on here and think its cool to swear it up and diss people just because of their opinion. I like the bashing that goes on between the Leafs and Habs as long as its clean and fun but I tend to stasy away from Leaf articles who have multiple idiots trying to prove themselves online.

  31. MTL_HABS_24 says:

    Ecoutes mon ami, tu as tord si tu croix que nous partageons le meme logiciel.  Et je suis un mordu des Canadiens depuis les annees 70, donc je me souviens tres bien lorsque les Habitants dominaient le circuit.
    Malheureusement, ce n'est plus le cas, et CERTAINS amateurs des Leafs, pas tous, nous taquinenent car leur equipe a eu le meilleur de la notre, mais cela va bientot changer.
    Il faut aussi que tu comprennes que meme si je suis un mordu des Habitants ne veut necessairement dire que je vais etre d'accord avec toi sur toutes les choses.
    On peu parler le francais si tu veux, ou bien l'anglais, peur moi, cela m'est egale.
    Excuse le manque d'accents et de cedilles, je ne sais pas comment les inclure dans mon texte.
    Salut mon ami.

  32. MTL_HABS_24 says:

    "pour moi"

  33. MTL_HABS_24 says:

    Don't forget, there is a large segment of hockey fans in Quebec that hates the Habs.  There are a lot of Nordiques fans who would rather see anyone but the Canadiens win.  There are also tons of Bruins fans as I've once witnessed when I was in town to watch the Habs vs the Bruins, my buddies and I were lost in a sea of Black and Gold sweaters and most of them lived right in Montreal.

  34. JuicemaN says:

    Whatever your excuse is buddy, while you’re at your parents house using daddy’s internet I’m taking care of my girlfriend (that you so feel the need to brag about…congratulations) and my house in downtown Toronto….how’s daddy’s little quebec sub-division house doing? You sure he’s ok with you being on the internet…well, when you go take care of your girlfriend make sure to ask daddy if you can borrow his car otherwise he might ground you….or even worse….SEND YOU TO ONTARIO…OH NOOOOOO!!!!

    It’s rather annoying when someone is immature right back to you isn’t it?

    Anybody want to talk hockey? It’s what I thought we were here for…if you want to talk girlfriends and politics than Quecec4life is dying to talk to you but I’m lookiing to talk hockey.

  35. JuicemaN says:

    Wow – you pretty much hit the nail on the head with that one.  You couldn't be more right.

    My initial purpose for being here is to read and talk hockey…but you're right; then there's the guys who look to start arguements ie:usedandabused, quebec4life etc… and I'll admit fault that even when I know I'm right and they continue to tell me I'm not I feel this need to continuously go back and forth with them over and over again convincing myself that they will wake up.

    Anyway, I actually appreciate you pointing that out, I really do; I am going to try and just kill the conversation going forward when they start to do their thing.

    Thanks for the support MTL_HABS_24….much appreciated!!!!

    Have a great weekend!

  36. JuicemaN says:

    So how does everyone know I haven't been to those places….it's called business or travelling, backpacking…it's not difficult.

    You seriously need to grow up if you're so blind outside of even the hockey wolrd you aren't even ready to accept that someone can travel.

    I think you mean to be on cnn.com and not hockeytraderumors.com

  37. JuicemaN says:

    Being a real habs fan doesn't mean he has to be a segregating separatist like yourself.

  38. JuicemaN says:

    Fair enough, you’re absolutely right about the kids that come on here and think its cool to swear and put people down for a spelling mistake. Not to mention the guys who are already mad before they’ve eve read an article and then they lose it on everyone….like Quebec4life…this guy thinks he’s gods gift to the habs and that anything outside of Quebec is a waste of land and that the peopl eare squareheads (squareheads – his exact own words). He just wants to argue with someone and loves every second of it.

    But after a while their parents always take over and say “little jimmy, that’s enough…no more internet” followed with a “ahhhhh Mom, come on…I’m yelling at some ontarians can’t I stay on a little longer?”

    Those kids always fade away eventually and the decent posters stick around. Thanks god for the decent posters!

    Here’s to another fantastic season of Leafs vs habs and fighting for the playoffs!

  39. loco42 says:

    never said the contrary 😉

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