Lindros not being dealt

Time to put these rumors to rest. Yes, Sather has shown how he feels about Lindros…. And Yes Sather is the GM and Coach of the Rangers … but let’s get one thing straight…..let’s use some common knowledge HTR members…. It’s simple.There is no way the Rangers would deal Lindros unless Fedorov was a sure thing to come to Broadway, and if Bure was a sure thing off out of Broadway…… why?

Simple, for one… if Lindros is dealt who is the number 1 center? Nedved? hahha yeah OK, Holik? No, he’s a number 2 center…. not a 1st line center. Messier? Yeah… umm he’s still fishing. Lundmark…. Way too young. So if they do deal Lindros and Fedorov is not coming here then who takes over…? Simple… they won’t trade Lindros.

Not to mention if Fedorov and Bure were on the same team how would it be possible to deal with those two in the same locker room not talking?

As much as everyone hates Lindros, for the reputation he got from Philly as a cry baby, he’s one of the best locker room guy’s to have (and no not just Larry brooks said it) All the interviews from reporters have Lindros taking players to his house with the family to eat. Everyone in the room respects the guy… but yeah his playing “not to get hurt hockey” and that is hurting the team…

Even if Fedorov signs I’d still keep the “one hit head man” to play on the wing with Holik. They did a decent job when playing together… and putting Lindros on the second line would free him up a little from being the main guy to lock down and hit.

Bure has had enough … the only (I guess) good thing to be said about him is that if he does come back this is the last year of a 10 million contract and unless he scores 50-60 goals next season he most likely will see about half of that 10 million on any new contract he signs with any team, if that much. So he’ll be playing for the contract…..

Basically it’s all common knowledge…. Let’s kill the Lindros rumors now … because if Fedorov doesn’t sign with the Rangers… (and it doesn’t seem to be happening) then no, Lindros is still in NY.


40 Responses to Lindros not being dealt

  1. mikster says:

    These trade rumors are starting to drive me nuts too and the journalists have a big ego themselves. Brooks keeps saying that Cujo will come to NY and that Dunham will go to Boston for Rolston and +.

    As of right now, things are blurry and there are many possibilities. You ask if Nedved would be the 1st line center and he would be if Jagr is traded to the Rangers. Kovalev-Nedved-Jagr.

    Fedorov will take his time, no need to rush things. As of now, the only teams who may be interested in him other than the Rangers are the Blues. Get real, the Ducks would be disrespected if they sign Feds at $9M or $10M per for 4, 5 years. They used Kariya’s money, which they said they really don’t have much, to pay Fedorov.

    The LA Kings may have something up their sleeves, and if they do sign Fedorov….their owner should get bashed by the media (especially NY-Metro area) for criticizing the big spenders.

    Realistically, the Blues may try and get Fedorov. Other than them……..who else? I can’t think of anyone else.

    The Rangers do not want, and i think no team wants, to pay Eric’s contract. The guy is playing not trying to get hurt hockey for 70+ games so he gains the big bonus. If they fail to reach an agreement, i think Lindros will be moved.

    If you want Lindros to stay with the Rangers if they sign Feds, then Bure must go….or retire. He got his knee examined early this week, but no reports to update us on the Bure’s status.

    Something will happen soon and it may be tomorrow (i think tomorrow something will happen). But as of now, it’s all up in the air.

    With the Avs adding more offense, the Wings may want to add more as well to compete. Adding Bure or Lindros? Both have one year left on their contracts, which in a way..is a bragain.

  2. guinsfan4life says:

    ” I don’t think you can teach old dogs new tricks.”

    –Devils assistant Larry Robinson on why he withdrew from consideration for the NYR head coaching job

  3. Cyrax89 says:

    Yah these rumors are getting a little out of hand now. I would say about 95% of the rumors that are being reported never happen. And when something does happen it was never reported in the rumors.

    The unexpected always happens. Just look at the Avs. I doubt Lindros will be traded but if he is wanna bet its to a team that no one would have thought.

  4. big_booty says:

    Let’s get another thing straight: if Eric Lindros were traded today not one of us here would be shocked or surprised in the least. To say that there is “no way” that he would be dealt is playing devil’s advocate – and there are very few people who win at that game.

    You want “common knowledge” sands?

    Lindros’ name has been continually re-surfacing in all sorts of trade rumors for the past year or so. That’s common knowledge.

    Glen Sather is not pleased with Lindros’ contract situation, and the “concussion clause” has been shown to be a major hinderance in the way Big E plays his current game. This is common knowledge.

    It is widely known that Sather tried to renegotiate Lindros’ contract with his father, and was unceremoniously shot down by Big Carl. This is common knowledge.

    If all his incentives and bonuses are reached, Lindros could earn upwards of $10 million next season, a figure that Sather and Rangers ownership would rather not dole out for a player who barely scores and plays a tentative game. This is common knowledge.

    You preach “common knowledge” should be used in the arguement that Lindros will not be traded, but the same could be said for the possibilty that he is indeed traded. At this stage in his career, that possibility will always exist with Eric Lindros. It’s just who he is and what surrounds him now.

  5. Bishop7979 says:

    Look at the end of last season, how much 1st line center did Lindros really play? Sather had Lindros playing wing for almost his entire tenure as coach. You yourself mentioned that he played well as Holiks winger yet use the argument that without lindros the rangers have no first line center. So using common knowledge most people would see that you’re contradicting yourself.

    Mikster mentioned a number of reasons why Lindros would, and quite possibly could be traded, and i agree with everyone of them. If Sather could dump Lindros tomorrow and not have to take a chance on paying for an incentive ladden contract, one that centers around games played and not performace, than i think he would do it in a second.

    And Lindros is no more closer to being a first line center then Holik or Nedved.

  6. Sands says:

    Everything is going to be oooooooook, breath…. calmmmmmm dooowwwnnnn….. everything is going to be ooooooook.

    Wow, well listen there champ. The truth is, if the guy is traded, there is no answer for who the first line center would be. The only way this deal goes down is if they get a 1st line center by either trading Duhnam and getting Lindros for cujo. It’s possible…yes….. likely not really. CuJo succccks. Hopefully Sather knows this. The guy is over rated. sorry that’s the truth too. I mean if this deal went down … it would have a chain effect for a few teams … there would have to be at least 3 or 4 teams willing to do deals. First Cujo for Lindros, then Duhnam to a team for a first line center……. now “common knowledge” tells us that Duhnam might not be worth a 1st line center…. But hey if it makes ya feel better maybe he is, I don’t know…

  7. Sands says:

    I guess i gotta clear i up before we have some bad blood in HTL…. I was not making fun of any of the HTL members…..

    Let’s all bring it down a notch……

  8. MantaRay says:

    First off, at the end of most of these Lindros rumors you will probably find Sather as the rumormonger, feeding lines to Brooks to A) motivate Lindros and B) get some other team interested in him.

    Sather has shown he makes decisions based on which way the wind is blowing, not on common sense. So its common knowledge its 50-50% that Lindros will or will not be traded. Don’t delude yourselves.

    Federov will probably be a Duck at $8 million a season. The Kings don’t have the money for him and are not even interested in him. This rumor was from Federov’s agent.

    Jagr to NY is still a possibility but alot depends on Bure’s health, Lindros and Jagr’s contracts.

    Cujo is another factor: Although Dunham played very well in NY, he is not a name goalie that Sather wants in NY. Boston would be dealing Samsonov, not Rolston for those of you that can read.

    The Rangers are in a state of flux and don’t have any plans. Decisions are made without any form of thought (which is why Kariya and Selanne turned down NY’s offer for more money).

    Anything can happen with the Rangers, Sather is desperate for any positive press he can get before the season starts.

  9. Sands says:

    I guess i gotta clear i up before we have some bad blood in HTL…. I was not making fun of any of the HTL members…..

    Let’s all bring it down a notch……

  10. Sands says:

    I guess i gotta clear i up before we have some bad blood in HTL…. I was not making fun of any of the HTL members…..

    Let’s all bring it down a notch……

  11. Sands says:

    I guess i gotta clear i up before we have some bad blood in HTL…. I was not making fun of any of the HTL members…..

    Let’s all bring it down a notch……

  12. Sands says:

    I guess i gotta clear i up before we have some bad blood in HTL…. I was not making fun of any of the HTL members…..

    Let’s all bring it down a notch……

  13. Sands says:

    I guess i gotta clear i up before we have some bad blood in HTL…. I was not making fun of any of the HTL members…..

    Let’s all bring it down a notch……

  14. Sands says:

    I guess i gotta clear i up before we have some bad blood in HTL…. I was not making fun of any of the HTL members…..

    Let’s all bring it down a notch……

  15. Sands says:

    I guess i gotta clear i up before we have some bad blood in HTL…. I was not making fun of any of the HTL members…..

    Let’s all bring it down a notch……

  16. Sands says:

    I guess i gotta clear i up before we have some bad blood in HTL…. I was not making fun of any of the HTL members…..

    Let’s all bring it down a notch……

  17. MantaRay says:

    The Bruins are not trading Rolston; They would be trading Samsonov.

    Nedved is a third line center at best.

    Federov is probably a Duck already at $8 million a season.

    The Blues don’t have the money; they are also looking to trim their payroll Federov will not sign here.

    The Kings have NO interest in Federov.

  18. Sands says:

    HTR went crazy on me it started clicking out of control, didn’t mean it sorry.

  19. Leaf_Expert says:

    Eric Lindros will *not* I repeat NOT, or EVER be traded!…

    No team in the league will take Lindros as long as hes under that “concussion clause” contract.

    If Lindros leaves it would be because of a buy-out or retirement. Other wise, he will be playing out the rest of his contract with the New York Rangers.

  20. mikster says:

    I don’t know whether they are corrections or incorrections, you have nothing that backs anything up!

    I said, Brooks mentioned of Rolston. Did i mention Rolston? No, Brooks did.

    Nedved would be a 1st line center with Kovie and Jagr. Seriously, it all matters on work ethic, performance and how hard a player plays. You should know that. Madden went from a 3rd line guy on your team to then get the 1st line spot many times. If 1st line has chemistry and it works, and it does what it’s supposed to do…then the players on that line are 1st liners for their team. If Nedved had….Lundmark on the left and still had Dvorak on the right, i’d agree he is 3rd line center. But. with Kovalev and Jagr? He performs 1st line with those wingers.

    All it takes is some more thinking!

    Fedorov wants cha chings, why didn’t he take $10M from the Wings and would just get $8M from a team that is not financially stable? If he was a Duck already, an announcement would have been made.

    Blues have the money….if they show interest in Cujo, which i doubt they do, then they have the money.

  21. EMikey says:

    The Rangers would be foolish to trade Lindros away or let him leave NYC. It’s pretty amazing how eager people are to de-value and criticize #88. Not too many people were complaining after his 37 goal performance two years ago.

    He did have his worst season as a pro last year, but if he had netted 10 or 12 more goals he would have been the Rangers highest scorer by far (except for Kovalev). Even still, he was second on the team in assists, second with +5, first in PP goals, and first in total shots. Obviously he suffered through a huge goal drought, but trade him away and that leaves a huge hole in the Rangers line up.

    Let’s not forget either, that every team specifically focuses on Lindros and he has opened up room for every linemate he has ever played with, from Renberg and LeClair, to York and Barnaby. Let’s not also forget that he is among the most popular players in the locker room and he’s an assistant captain.

    It’s true that he may not be the reckless abandoned player he once was, but can we really blame him? I think its going a little too far to say that he plays ‘scared’ when he still runs people over and takes his fair share of hits. If we were to believe he was ‘one hit away from retirement’ he would have retired 81 times over by now.

    My suggestion for all of the Lindros-haters out there is to stop listening to old rumors and arguments, like worshippers of Bobby Clarke. There has been miniscule to no squabbles in the New York locker room since Lindros joined the team. Everyone said he couldn’t stay healthy and he played in all but one game. Now we should drive this guy out of town because he couldn’t find the net for half the season? Let’s get real, Lindros has been the Rangers best forward since he arrived and if New York loses him, it will be difficult to find a better replacement both on and off the ice.

  22. Freeze says:

    That’s a sad commentary on Ranger hockey when your “#1 center” is a 15-goal scorer who plays not to get hurt and he makes what, $8 million a year or something?? He’s one hit from retirement and his parents are a pain in the ass for every coach he’s played for.

    THIS is your #1 center!!!

    HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!

  23. mikster says:

    No, that’s not the arguement. The arguement is that Lindros is playing safe hockey, which takes away his game, to get the bonuses on his contract.

    This past season, sure….he hit the posts, goalies made saves that they would only do 3 times a year, or he fanned on the puck…….or puck missed the open net. It wasn’t his season, however….i would have expected him to at leastplay with more attitude.

    If the Rangers keep him for this coming season without changing his contract, he would play the same way, which the Rangers don’t want.

    I have nothing against Lindros…his style is one of the best and he’d be a top super star had he never faced any ocncussions.

    If Joe Thornton faces 5 or even 3 concussions….he won’t play the same way, and then people will criticize him……as they did with Lindros. Or, make fun of him….or say “ha! ‘the next great one’ my ass’. Those are the immature hockey fans.

  24. mikster says:

    Keenan tought the old dogs back in 94 and it worked. And, the Rangesr were older back then too.

    He didn’t have to teach a new trick. Just teach what to do, and have the balls to do it.

  25. mikster says:

    :If all his incentives and bonuses are reached, Lindros could earn upwards of $10 million next season, a figure that Sather and Rangers ownership would rather not dole out for a player who barely scores and plays a tentative game. This is common knowledge.”

    The max is $9.6M.

    And, no…..i don’t think that’s common knowledge. You’re just basing that on one season out of his whole career.

    Doesn’t come near common knowledge.

  26. mikster says:

    “First off, at the end of most of these Lindros rumors you will probably find Sather as the rumormonger, feeding lines to Brooks to A) motivate Lindros and B) get some other team interested in him.”

    Wrong. I know for a fact that Sather gives no information or little clues. In fact…Brooks dislikes that about Slats since he is used to Neil Smithers ways of giving clues. Sather laughs at every rumor that is then told to him. Lindros on waivers? He laughed. Getting Cujo, gave that little smirk of his and said ‘no’.

    He made statements that anything that comes from the media, especially Canadian, you shouldn’t really trust. So, he doesn’t use the media as a strategy, at all.

    “Sather has shown he makes decisions based on which way the wind is blowing, not on common sense. So its common knowledge its 50-50% that Lindros will or will not be traded. Don’t delude yourselves.”

    So you’re saying that every trade he’s done or acquisitions does not make common sense? Aside from coaching, all of his trades are common sense. Unfortunately they didn’t get him to the playoffs, but if they did…..he’d a top 10 GM. Get a checking center: Holik. Get a replacement for Richter: Dunham. Get a scoring winger: Kovalev, Bure. Get a 1st line center: Lindros. Get a power winger that works the boards: Carter. Get an offensive defenseman since Leetch’s days are not many: Poti. Get a character player: Barnaby. Get a back up goalie so Blackburn can develop in the minors: Markkanen.

    They all make sense to me, it’s just that he never got the right guy to direct the players to perform and make the playoffs.

    I agree though that as of now, it’s 50/50 that Lindros will go.

    “Federov will probably be a Duck at $8 million a season. The Kings don’t have the money for him and are not even interested in him. This rumor was from Federov’s agent.”

    Where is the link to that? Also, Murray said that he has no interest in making a high salaried long-term deal. He may be lying, but they could have done the same with Kariya and didn’t. Why do it with an older Fedorov and the CBA coming? Makes no sense.

    “Jagr to NY is still a possibility but alot depends on Bure’s health, Lindros and Jagr’s contracts.”

    Very true. I think Jagr should come to NYC, since he wants to. A motivated Jagr with Nedved and Kovalev gives you a definite scoring line.

    “Cujo is another factor: Although Dunham played very well in NY, he is not a name goalie that Sather wants in NY. Boston would be dealing Samsonov, not Rolston for those of you that can read.

    Is that an offensive remark? Better not be. Brooks said Rolston, and that Samsonov is too small….which is true. Samsonov is not Sather’s type of player…especially when the guy only played 8 games this past season.

    Sather said he is not looking to get Cujo. Dunham has become a big name goalie here for Rangers fans. Unless Boston’s offer is worth it, the Rangers may trade him. But, there is no reason for Dolan, who knows what Dunham did, to get a goalie who $5M more expensive and who clearly did not perform with a Cup team.

    Lindros is not going to Detroit in any kind of way until Hasek confirms that he will return.

    “The Rangers are in a state of flux and don’t have any plans. Decisions are made without any form of thought (which is why Kariya and Selanne turned down NY’s offer for more money).”

    What? How do you know that? They have no plans? Says who? Decisions are made without any form of thought? How?

    Kariya and Selanne turned down what Brooks “believes” was an offer from the Rangers because they wanted to stay in the west, which they should, and because they want a Cup contender.

    “Anything can happen with the Rangers, Sather is desperate for any positive press he can get before the season starts.”

    And again, Sather does not do anything with the press, he doesn’t really care about it either. Apparently, he laughs at what the media believes as far as trade rumors, rarely gives any yes or no answers….and won’t allow the PR to comment on anything (i know that for a fact).

  27. mikster says:

    Previous season he scored 30+, this past one 15….

    Never heard of a top player having a bad season before?

  28. Bishop7979 says:

    The thing is that Lindros not a top player anymore. there was an obvious change in his play style this season that showed, to me at least, that he understood that his health truly was an issue. He plays tentively now, he stays to the perimeter, and he doesnt initiate the contact.

    Add that to the fact that he is being played at right wing, which isnt a position he seems comfortable with and that he hasnt found the chemistry that he had with leclair and renberg, and it just doesnt add up to lindros being the player that he once was.

    Also Lindros played more games last season then he had any other. The closest he came to 82 was 73 back in like 96. This is because of his change in play style. Which granted, will keep him healthy in the long run, but it will also limited his effectiveness as far as being a goal scorer.

    I mean didnt you say “The guy is playing not trying to get hurt hockey for 70+ games so he gains the big bonus.”

    He’s going to keep playing not to get hurt, its not something that is going to change, and if it doesnt change i dont see his stats changing either.

    just some thoughts

    B

  29. Sands says:

    Sather mad some good moves only one thing i disagree with here… Poti…. ummmm he’s a good offensive Defence men….. thats about it. He will never be a Brian leetch… and if the rangers have any brains they would sign Leetch…Leetch’s bad years came when he had the C on his jersey.. once it was gone he played like he did….. sucks that he’s so underrated that even Ranger fan’s don’t see how great and important he is to the team.

    What i agree with about lindros being traded is this….. They can trade Lindros if 1 of 2 things happen…. 1. Jagr is a sure thing… then Nedved can be on the top line…. 2. Fedorov is a sure thing… Thats about it….. We must have a 1st line center….. and no not just Nedved with Kovalov… I’d take Rolston as my first line center… but not for duhnam… no thanks, cause then that means we would have Cujo in net. Cujo is not the player i want in my net…. overrated and can’t do anything in the playoff’s….. Let’s hope Blackburn doesn’t turn into a Cujo like they say he plays.. cause then we would never see a cup until blackburn is traded….. that or let’s hope the only different thing is that blackburn can handle playoff pressure unlike Cujo.

  30. Freeze says:

    Sure, but Lindros is no longer a top player. He’s a third line center on a top team.

  31. mikster says:

    Well, never said Poti will be the next Leetch. And he is what he is…..and people have to accept that. He is a highly skilled offensive defenseman. Give him the right stay-at home partner, and he’ll play well. As of now, Poti is on a very good path to become an all-star offensive defenseman.

    The first thing that has to happen with the Lindros to Detroit rumor is that Hasek will have to confirm his comeback.

    Getting Cujo makes no sense to me….but he can perform very well at times, especially when he doesn’t feel as pressured. I mean, he is a goalie like Richter. Effective when there is a lot of work in his zone.

    Blackburn has a similar style that Cujo has but it does not mean anything. It just says that he is plays similar to Cujo….which is a little bit similar to Richter. Blackburn will be fine, especially if our goalie coach does full time job instead of part time.

  32. mikster says:

    Well, the previous season where his contract was different, Lindros played well and score a little bit more than a point a game. He also had the skilled linemates (York-Fleury) and somehow worked well with Bure (a healthy Bure).

    Sure, he will play try not to get hurt with this contract. If he renegotiates it, unlikely, or becomes a UFA and signs with the Wings, he’ll get the type of contract where he’d score a point a game.

  33. TML51 says:

    Saying something will not happen is not a good idea. ANYTHING is possible.

    Lindros moving out of NY is a real possibility. Let’s face it, he’s a shadow of his former self, and his contract does not reflect his current output. (He’s overpaid…big time!)

    Sather is probably under close scrutiny for his team’s lack of production last season, and as such, might see the need to cut some of the dead wood loose.

  34. Bishop7979 says:

    see the thing is, i dont see him going to the wings. it might sound strange, but of all the teams out there I could see LA scooping him up if he hits the UFA market this season. I dont think they (LA) have the cash to pick up federov, but i think that they might be able to scrape together enough to bring in Lindros.

    I just dont see Lindros fitting in with the wings, i dont know why, call it a hunch, but I could see him working somewhat well playing behind Allison, with deadmarsh and frolov.

  35. MantaRay says:

    Brooks pointed out the rumors were Samsonov for Dunhum++, but he wanted Rolston instead. It doesn’t change the proposed deal for Samsonov. Rolston will not be dealt.

    Nedved would be a first line center if you put him on a line with Kovie and Jagr, but that doesn’t mean they will be successful. You could put anyone with those two and they would be a first line center, but that doesn’t mean he is first line caliber. Nedved is a third line center on a competitive team, on the Ranger$ he is all they have.

    Federov wants more than cha-ching, he wants his own team. He will never be accepted in Detroit as the star as long as Yzerman is around. Ducks are financially stable with Disney proping them.

    Blues DO NOT HAVE the money, they have not shown interest in Cujo. That was done through Cujokes agent, who said he wouldn’t mind going back to St. Louis. But it would probably cost the Blues Doug Weight, since they can’t afford both.

  36. MantaRay says:

    “Sather does not do anything with the press, he doesn’t really care about it either”.

    Are you really that naive???

  37. MantaRay says:

    Mikster, you totally missed the obvious point of his post.

  38. mikster says:

    No, are you that uninformed?

  39. EMikey says:

    Well, I think the Rangers have to look at this way: They gave him a contract that did not pay him a lot of money unless he plays a lot of games, being his downfall his entire career. Now, he’s modified his game so that he can stay healthy and produce more. With that said, I don’t think Lindros has changed his style in order to collect more money. I believe he’s changed his style so that he can still be a professional hockey player. Yes I do think that maybe his contract should be restructered entailing more production, but New York hasn’t been paying Lindros as much as some of the other players on the team too. So, its a touchy situation but I don’t think it would be beneficial for the Rangers to run him out of town because of all of this. In my mind, the Rangers should pay the money (there’s no guarantees either way if its based on health or production) and with the CBA deal ending, then make a decision after the situation is clearer. I’ve got to think that’s what Sather is thinking, unless some team is offering him something he can’t refuse.

  40. defenestrate says:

    Michael Jackson, who Eric Lindros should be able to relate to (familial tensions and such)….

    From the dubious classic, “Wanna Be Startin’ Something”:

    “You’re a vegetable….you’re a vegetable”….

    I never understood that line until now. Must be an “inside joke” between Wacko Jacko and Eric the Half-A-Bee…….or maybe between Joe Jackson and Carl Lindros…..

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